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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 4, 2024 12:03:58 GMT -5
People are going to be excited next year. Team is going to rate to make the playoffs. The #1 prospect in baseball is going to be on the roster, probably with a giant new contract unless he's dead set on going year to year.
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 4, 2024 12:15:32 GMT -5
This organization may have been a bit caught off guard by changing market conditions. What I mean by that is that an environment with five and now six playoff spots is a different one than this ownership group enjoyed all of its success in. There are fewer teams trying to compete in a four playoff spot environment. This is one of the factors that accelerated top end player salaries above and beyond what may have been anticipated. Maybe we were caught flat footed, or underestimated the degree to which random teams like Texas would suddenly drop half a billion dollars in one offseason.
(I am doing my best to tread the waters of that argument without sparking the 8000th Mookie discourse)
I also sometimes wonder if we - or I, anyway - underestimate the impact of changes to luxury tax, draft spending, and average front office modernity. I don’t know that the 2000s Red Sox would have been able to do what they did in these market conditions. There were a very few teams in or potentially in on top free agents, not a third of the league or more. There was infinite spending to stockpile amateur talent. There were more dinosaurs! I mean, one winter, Theo was able to trade for an arb player in order to immediately nontender him and net a top 100 draft pick. That opportunity no longer exists.
This ownership group and front office enjoyed several tremendous competitive advantages 20 years ago that no longer exist. It still retains some competitive advantage relative to some teams/markets, but not to the league as a whole. It’s not Yankees, Yankees Jr, and the other 28. I keep coming back to this vague, circular logic as we enter a third consecutive offseason where I’m not sure how you make this team a lot better than it is. I think it’s been a mistake to let so much established talent walk without a real effort to retain it, or a real effort to replace it - I actually think about fairly cheap veteran arms like Ottavino, Wacha and Strahm as much as the obvious one, Xander. At the same time, guaranteed money and the wrong side of the aging curve is not lost on me.
I think it’s fairly easy to build a 75-81 win team now, and extremely difficult to push into 90+ win territory.
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 4, 2024 12:34:23 GMT -5
People are going to be excited next year. Team is going to rate to make the playoffs. The #1 prospect in baseball is going to be on the roster, probably with a giant new contract unless he's dead set on going year to year. I hope you are correct and the Red Sox top prospects all become instant successes, but history does not support that. Off the top of my head.....Evan Carter, Jackson Chourio, Pete Crow-Armstrong, Jackson Holliday, Josh Jung, Colt Keith, Matt McLain, Spencer Torkelson all struggled upon arrival. A few have picked it up a bit but most are still trying to figure it out. You want to go back a few years or a little closer to home....Jordan Walker, Jarred Kelenic, Yoan Moncada, Mike Kopech, Jay Groome, Bobby Dalbec, Mike Chavis. In fairness to the Red Sox current top prospects we should all keep expectations realistic. Interesting article on this topic
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 4, 2024 12:48:03 GMT -5
I'm not here to tell you how to feel about the team, but I will say as someone who grew up in the Bay Area and in a primarily A's household, the idea that the Red Sox have been operating anything like a small market team is one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. To be fair, the A's are incredibly cheap lol and that has led to a fanbase that really doesn't care at all.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 4, 2024 13:59:26 GMT -5
Todays baseball 101: not hitting leads to losses.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 4, 2024 14:19:54 GMT -5
Today I learned: Tylor Megill and Trevor Megill are two different people. Today I further learned: it is not 'Tyler McGill', though it should be.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 4, 2024 14:23:44 GMT -5
I'm not here to tell you how to feel about the team, but I will say as someone who grew up in the Bay Area and in a primarily A's household, the idea that the Red Sox have been operating anything like a small market team is one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. To be fair, the A's are incredibly cheap lol and that has led to a fanbase that really doesn't care at all. The A’s aren’t small market. They’re beneath that. They make the Pirates and Rays look like the Yankees. Now I’m sure once they move to Vegas stuff will change slightly but they aren’t even trying. The Sox are operating like a mid market team, which puts them in the same company as the DBacks Cardinals Angels and Giants. I think a lot of goodwill would be regained if they lowered the prices of going to games while they are trying to “rebuild” but we know that won’t happen so here we are. Like I’m fortunate to be able to afford seasons tickets, but there’s people who can barely pay their bills and you’re asking them to pay for this product. It kind of sucks. I truly miss the days when 10 bucks could get you in the park…then you just subsequently call the ticket office after the game starts, find the best seats, then go sit in them.
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Post by gerry on Sept 4, 2024 14:42:31 GMT -5
Did you miss the part where he could have said he wasn't going to speak and let these people working on deadlines go about doing their jobs? No, he doesn't have to speak to the media, but if this account is correct, he was a jerk about it and I have no problem with people calling him out for acting like a jerk. I know everybody hates the media, but is there another situation where a guy making 30M acts like a jerk to the guy making 30k (whatever, close enough) and people knee jerk defend the guy making 30M? I didn’t miss that part. I actually love the media and was part of print media for a long time. I do not accept that anyone has a right to demand a story. Respect is a two way street, which many “reporters” and “paparazzi” conveniently forget for the sake of a scoop. Devers wasn’t the one being a jerk. Salary disparities have nothing to do with this.
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Sept 4, 2024 14:44:26 GMT -5
People are going to be excited next year. Team is going to rate to make the playoffs. The #1 prospect in baseball is going to be on the roster, probably with a giant new contract unless he's dead set on going year to year. Last time we had the #1 prospect in baseball we traded him. And I don't think anyone would want to undo that trade.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 4, 2024 17:02:35 GMT -5
People are going to be excited next year. Team is going to rate to make the playoffs. The #1 prospect in baseball is going to be on the roster, probably with a giant new contract unless he's dead set on going year to year. Without spending serious money and getting a front line pitcher it'll still feel like the Rays. Roman Anthony has the opportunity to become a real fan favorite, but his arrival I don't think are going to make casual fans tune in. Especially if he struggles out of the gate. Xander Bogaerts wasn't very good his full rookie season. Pedroia had a .561 OPS in his first 31 games. RoY following season. It'll be nice if they all hit the ground running, but I don't think that's likely.
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Post by asm18 on Sept 4, 2024 17:11:40 GMT -5
Get the Jack Daniels shots ready
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Post by keninten on Sept 4, 2024 17:18:06 GMT -5
Get the Jack Daniels shots ready Didn`t Schilling say that?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 4, 2024 17:36:30 GMT -5
Get the Jack Daniels shots ready Bullpen, situational hitting, consistent hitting with Devers injury, ability to field the baseball. Probably why not you.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 4, 2024 17:39:45 GMT -5
Literally one week of good baseball could get them back in it but they haven't produced that in two months. I hope they make a bid to get back in it but I see about a 0% chance it happens.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 4, 2024 18:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 4, 2024 18:17:49 GMT -5
10 pitches, 3 weak ABs. Ho hum.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 4, 2024 18:29:36 GMT -5
lol
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Post by cheers on Sept 4, 2024 18:29:41 GMT -5
Well, at least we don't have to expend any energy on hope today.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 4, 2024 18:29:59 GMT -5
Why not them? Because this. Play taps.
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 4, 2024 18:29:59 GMT -5
welp.
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Post by cdj on Sept 4, 2024 18:30:02 GMT -5
It’s so over
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 4, 2024 18:31:55 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Sept 4, 2024 18:32:35 GMT -5
September has become Groundhogs Day for this org
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 4, 2024 18:32:46 GMT -5
Pitch 3 to Winker was a strike should have been strike 3 more incompetent umpires ruining the game
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 4, 2024 18:33:02 GMT -5
There is freedom within There is freedom without. Try to catch the deluge in a paper cup…
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