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2024-2025 Front Office, Staff, and Coaching Changes
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Sept 19, 2024 5:44:36 GMT -5
Relevant to the apparent shrinking of the Sox in person scouting departments, there is a job posting at BP looking for video scouts. That's been a long term trend on the pro scouting side, but notably they mention the amateur side too. Perhaps some inferences to be drawn from how the Sox operate in the rest of the posting as well. Sox Job Posting
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 19, 2024 8:42:38 GMT -5
I think at this point they're evaluating players by having a robot go frame by frame over video and filling in metrics about mechanical efficiency and torque or whatever. The in person scouts are reduced to gathering gossip about which players are a trainwreck off the field, who is playing through a sore shoulder etc.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 3, 2024 16:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 3, 2024 18:11:52 GMT -5
A biomechanics arms race.
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Post by 0ap0 on Oct 4, 2024 7:51:06 GMT -5
A biomechanics arms race. I wonder if Dr. Silas Stone is available.
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Post by badfishnbc on Oct 4, 2024 12:33:03 GMT -5
A biomechanics arms race. I wonder if Dr. Silas Stone is available. Boo-yeah he is.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 4, 2024 19:19:52 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 4, 2024 23:45:55 GMT -5
I think at this point they're evaluating players by having a robot go frame by frame over video and filling in metrics about mechanical efficiency and torque or whatever. The in person scouts are reduced to gathering gossip about which players are a trainwreck off the field, who is playing through a sore shoulder etc. Don't forget who's got the prettiest/ugliest girlfriend...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 4, 2024 23:47:23 GMT -5
We're totally going to get caught hacking the robo-umps at some point in the near future. Seriously? If yer not hacking, yer not trying...
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 9, 2024 18:35:52 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 9, 2024 19:18:45 GMT -5
A lot of long tenures ending in the org
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 9, 2024 19:42:48 GMT -5
Pete Fatse has to have dirt on the organization, there’s no way
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 9, 2024 19:58:59 GMT -5
Napoli is looking for a new job after being let go by the cubs..
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 10, 2024 8:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 10, 2024 10:30:49 GMT -5
Pete Fatse has to have dirt on the organization, there’s no way Maybe it's that, maybe it's every single hitter on their team outperforming preseason projections. One or the other.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 10, 2024 11:57:46 GMT -5
Pete Fatse has to have dirt on the organization, there’s no way Maybe it's that, maybe it's every single hitter on their team outperforming preseason projections. One or the other. I mean they fired Luis Ortiz, so they’re shaking something up there. Story/Casas were injured most of the season, so outside of Duran/Wong who significantly outperformed? Abreu/Hamilton had some solid streaks, but I wouldn’t say they significantly outperformed. Then there’s the fact that the whole team forgot how to make contact with pitches in the zone over the last 6 weeks…
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 10, 2024 12:25:12 GMT -5
Tyler O'Neill had a .248/.319/.458 career line coming into this year and was just .229/.310/.397 in 22-23. Romy Gonzalez was previously a .222/.240/.361 hitter. Refsnyder went from flaming out of the league to being one of the better platoon players out there. The development of Abreu and Hamilton seems pretty clear. Hamilton, in particular, went from looking totally overmatched to confident and in control of his at bats. Flipping it around, what healthy players underachieved? *Maybe* Rafaela at the plate, though his propensity to chase was a concern before he reached the majors. Reese McGuire had been a pumpkin before so it seems like him turning back into one isn't something I'm going to blame him for, and they cut bat there.
EDIT: Also, the "other than Duran/Wong" line kinda buries the obviously - Duran blossomed into one of the best hitters in baseball! That alone would be a big deal!
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 10, 2024 17:54:34 GMT -5
Tyler O'Neill had a .248/.319/.458 career line coming into this year and was just .229/.310/.397 in 22-23. Romy Gonzalez was previously a .222/.240/.361 hitter. Refsnyder went from flaming out of the league to being one of the better platoon players out there. The development of Abreu and Hamilton seems pretty clear. Hamilton, in particular, went from looking totally overmatched to confident and in control of his at bats. Flipping it around, what healthy players underachieved? *Maybe* Rafaela at the plate, though his propensity to chase was a concern before he reached the majors. Reese McGuire had been a pumpkin before so it seems like him turning back into one isn't something I'm going to blame him for, and they cut bat there. EDIT: Also, the "other than Duran/Wong" line kinda buries the obviously - Duran blossomed into one of the best hitters in baseball! That alone would be a big deal! That’s fair Hamilton really improved, but I don’t really think Abreu got better this year (K rate up slightly, BB rate down, but could have been physical), same goes with Valdez. Maybe part of the perception is what we don’t see in who Ortiz worked with and who Fatse worked with. I really hope I’m wrong, but the only sustainable breakout seems to be Duran. If the Gonzalez, Refsnyder, Hamilton, Wong produce at 2024 levels that would be awesome, but the last two months of 2024 doesn’t help us believe in our hitting approach
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 10, 2024 18:17:39 GMT -5
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Oct 10, 2024 21:00:46 GMT -5
Tyler O'Neill had a .248/.319/.458 career line coming into this year and was just .229/.310/.397 in 22-23. Romy Gonzalez was previously a .222/.240/.361 hitter. Refsnyder went from flaming out of the league to being one of the better platoon players out there. The development of Abreu and Hamilton seems pretty clear. Hamilton, in particular, went from looking totally overmatched to confident and in control of his at bats. Flipping it around, what healthy players underachieved? *Maybe* Rafaela at the plate, though his propensity to chase was a concern before he reached the majors. Reese McGuire had been a pumpkin before so it seems like him turning back into one isn't something I'm going to blame him for, and they cut bat there. EDIT: Also, the "other than Duran/Wong" line kinda buries the obviously - Duran blossomed into one of the best hitters in baseball! That alone would be a big deal! O'Neill was previously injured. Romy was previously injured. This was widely reported. That said, I think Fatse has made a stronger case for himself this year: Abreu and Hamilton seemed to get though their growing pains moderately well. Duran is just a physical beast who benefitted from revamping his running style, fielding coaching, and sinking himself into the game. OTOH, Yoshida was inconsistent (yes, there was also injury there.) Rafaela failed miserably. And of all the bit players only Smith approached adequacy. Pablo Reyes cratered, as did Dalbec and Valdez and Cooper. It seemed they couldn't bring in anyone who was remotely competent or had a plan at the plate. Raffy fell apart at the end and someone must have been telling Cora he would do just fine at the plate when he was actually a black hole for a month. (Not that ultimately playing Raffy is on Fatse, but still, it's not a glowing endorsement of the orgs ability to vet player performance/injury impacts.) Meanwhile behind the dish, Wong faded badly in the second half, McGuire struggled, and Jansen underachived. Grissom was entirely lost early-on, but I'm willing to chalk that up to injury. Also, the Sox had an offensive resurgence when they decided to have one-on-one meetings with the hitters. (Which just sounds nuts to me - that they weren't doing that already.) So there's a lot of indicators pointing this way and that. Ultimately, I'm more agnostic on Fatse than I was going into the year, but the constant trying to barrel the ball no matter what became tired. Sure, they scored runs in bunches, but there was no coordination at times to the offense. The whole was less than the sum of its parts.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 10, 2024 21:20:23 GMT -5
How does Fatse still have a job?
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Post by incandenza on Oct 10, 2024 21:27:05 GMT -5
Tyler O'Neill had a .248/.319/.458 career line coming into this year and was just .229/.310/.397 in 22-23. Romy Gonzalez was previously a .222/.240/.361 hitter. Refsnyder went from flaming out of the league to being one of the better platoon players out there. The development of Abreu and Hamilton seems pretty clear. Hamilton, in particular, went from looking totally overmatched to confident and in control of his at bats. Flipping it around, what healthy players underachieved? *Maybe* Rafaela at the plate, though his propensity to chase was a concern before he reached the majors. Reese McGuire had been a pumpkin before so it seems like him turning back into one isn't something I'm going to blame him for, and they cut bat there. EDIT: Also, the "other than Duran/Wong" line kinda buries the obviously - Duran blossomed into one of the best hitters in baseball! That alone would be a big deal! O'Neill was previously injured. Romy was previously injured. This was widely reported. That said, I think Fatse has made a stronger case for himself this year: Abreu and Hamilton seemed to get though their growing pains moderately well. Duran is just a physical beast who benefitted from revamping his running style, fielding coaching, and sinking himself into the game. OTOH, Yoshida was inconsistent (yes, there was also injury there.) Rafaela failed miserably. And of all the bit players only Smith approached adequacy. Pablo Reyes cratered, as did Dalbec and Valdez and Cooper. It seemed they couldn't bring in anyone who was remotely competent or had a plan at the plate. Raffy fell apart at the end and someone must have been telling Cora he would do just fine at the plate when he was actually a black hole for a month. (Not that ultimately playing Raffy is on Fatse, but still, it's not a glowing endorsement of the orgs ability to vet player performance/injury impacts.) Meanwhile behind the dish, Wong faded badly in the second half, McGuire struggled, and Jansen underachived. Grissom was entirely lost early-on, but I'm willing to chalk that up to injury. Also, the Sox had an offensive resurgence when they decided to have one-on-one meetings with the hitters. (Which just sounds nuts to me - that they weren't doing that already.) So there's a lot of indicators pointing this way and that. Ultimately, I'm more agnostic on Fatse than I was going into the year, but the constant trying to barrel the ball no matter what became tired. Sure, they scored runs in bunches, but there was no coordination at times to the offense. The whole was less than the sum of its parts. I do think there's something to this last point. I just don't know how anyone can be so confident Fatse is the guy who's responsible. They did fire the "mental skills coach"; maybe he's the one to blame. (By the way, that's not former first round draft pick Rey Fuentes, is it?)
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Post by congusgambler33 on Oct 10, 2024 22:52:34 GMT -5
Lets bring up Anthony, Mayer,Campbell and Teel so Fatse can show the them the art of striking out.
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Oct 11, 2024 5:39:47 GMT -5
So there's a lot of indicators pointing this way and that. Ultimately, I'm more agnostic on Fatse than I was going into the year, but the constant trying to barrel the ball no matter what became tired. Sure, they scored runs in bunches, but there was no coordination at times to the offense. The whole was less than the sum of its parts. I do think there's something to this last point. I just don't know how anyone can be so confident Fatse is the guy who's responsible. They did fire the "mental skills coach"; maybe he's the one to blame. (By the way, that's not former first round draft pick Rey Fuentes, is it?) A fish rots from the head down, and Fatse is perhaps only a shoulder in this scenario? More seriously, I think the main argument for firing Fatse at this point is just to shake things up. Going into this season I thought he was a clear detriment as players seldom if ever took a step forward under the hitting coach mix on the Sox. Now, with some younger players making progress, things are a bit more clouded. What I do not (and probably never will) understand is the Sox's fandom's fickleness toward players and owners contrasted with what at times seems an absurd loyalty to middle-management. Some people would sooner trade Rafaela than say, "Maybe we should bring in someone to better actualize him, to break his habits, to unlock his potential." And that's after watching what Bailey over Bush meant to the pitching staff.
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Oct 11, 2024 5:42:21 GMT -5
PS - that last bit on coach-loyalty is not just rhetorical. If anyone has noticed the same and has an idea on what elements of fan psychology may be fueling it, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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