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Post by pd on Oct 5, 2024 22:08:18 GMT -5
The other factor here is that Campbell is unlikely to break into our crowded outfield which means that only one of Campbell or Grissom is likely to be in the lineup at any given time. But you need depth, no? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 5, 2024 22:26:58 GMT -5
The other factor here is that Campbell is unlikely to break into our crowded outfield which means that only one of Campbell or Grissom is likely to be in the lineup at any given time. But you need depth, no? Of course but the question becomes one of gain to the Sox team as a whole. Is depth worth an improvement elsewhere. |
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Post by trotnixon7 on Oct 6, 2024 4:00:24 GMT -5
My prediction? Boston does relatively little but just enough so they can sell the idea that they did something.
I'm all for the infusion of young talent however the whole idea that anthony/mayer/campbell/teel will be huge diff makers year 1 seems insane to me.
Bogearts from 13-17 had an ops+ of 100, devers in his first 179 games had an OPS+ of 100 etc.
Maybe you get a pedroia but he was also 23 and had 162 games of AAA.
Anthony isn't 21 until May, Mayer will be 22 but hasn't seen AAA action yet, and campbell has seen 19 games at AAA.
Just feels to me ownership/fans are putting unrealistic expectations on these kids to become some sort of "saviors".
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 6, 2024 8:17:25 GMT -5
I doubt they do anything notable, however if they do want to compete, they need an ace. Otherwise just bring Clay Buchholz “I’m the ace” t-shirts back for the guys in the rotation. The best we can probably hope for is that they come to a quick agreement with O’Neill to avoid the QO and they find a middle of the rotation arm to replace Pivetta, although they might look at Giolito as that guy. I do think that if they go the trade route that Duran or Abreu would be the guy to be moved, Casas has more years of control than Duran and it would make 1st base a gaping hole once again. Unless you move Devers to 1st, which would make 3rd base a gaping hole.
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Maybe Jorge Lopez or Joe Ryan in Minnesota. Maybe they get Edward Cabrera for a song. I don't know. I feel that whatever upgrades they make will ultimately come on the trade market and not so much in free agency.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 6, 2024 8:18:49 GMT -5
I gotta be honest, I'm not seeing a ton from ownership on the idea that the young guys are gonna come in and save the day.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 6, 2024 8:25:46 GMT -5
I doubt they do anything notable, however if they do want to compete, they need an ace. Otherwise just bring Clay Buchholz “I’m the ace” t-shirts back for the guys in the rotation. The best we can probably hope for is that they come to a quick agreement with O’Neill to avoid the QO and they find a middle of the rotation arm to replace Pivetta, although they might look at Giolito as that guy. I do think that if they go the trade route that Duran or Abreu would be the guy to be moved, Casas has more years of control than Duran and it would make 1st base a gaping hole once again. Unless you move Devers to 1st, which would make 3rd base a gaping hole. Rotation Houck Gio Crawford Bello Trade acquisition Maybe Jorge Lopez or Joe Ryan in Minnesota. Maybe they get Edward Cabrera for a song. I don't know. I feel that whatever upgrades they make will ultimately come on the trade market and not so much in free agency. Do you have a prediction on what their budget will be? You typically underestimate it by $30-50 million so this would help to calibrate expectations. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 6, 2024 8:29:32 GMT -5
I doubt they do anything notable, however if they do want to compete, they need an ace. Otherwise just bring Clay Buchholz “I’m the ace” t-shirts back for the guys in the rotation. The best we can probably hope for is that they come to a quick agreement with O’Neill to avoid the QO and they find a middle of the rotation arm to replace Pivetta, although they might look at Giolito as that guy. I do think that if they go the trade route that Duran or Abreu would be the guy to be moved, Casas has more years of control than Duran and it would make 1st base a gaping hole once again. Unless you move Devers to 1st, which would make 3rd base a gaping hole. Rotation Houck Gio Crawford Bello Trade acquisition Maybe Jorge Lopez or Joe Ryan in Minnesota. Maybe they get Edward Cabrera for a song. I don't know. I feel that whatever upgrades they make will ultimately come on the trade market and not so much in free agency. Do you have a prediction on what their budget will be? You typically underestimate it by $30-50 million so this would help to calibrate expectations. Well last year I said it would be lower and I was right so I don’t know why you consistently parrot this. In short, get new material. You think I want to say they probably aren’t doing anything notable? I also didn’t mention anything about JWH being cheap or the budget in this post. So, what’s your problem? |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 6, 2024 8:45:27 GMT -5
I gotta be honest, I'm not seeing a ton from ownership on the idea that the young guys are gonna come in and save the day. End of the year press conference it was heavily implied by Breslow that the upgrades would come via trade. I’m not sure if that means, trading for an ace or trading for someone in the middle of the order or both, but I’d think the organization is really putting a lot of stock on the big 4 prospects playing meaningful games in August next year. |
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Post by incandenza on Oct 6, 2024 9:05:43 GMT -5
I gotta be honest, I'm not seeing a ton from ownership on the idea that the young guys are gonna come in and save the day. End of the year press conference it was heavily implied by Breslow that the upgrades would come via trade. I’m not sure if that means, trading for an ace or trading for someone in the middle of the order or both, but I’d think the organization is really putting a lot of stock on the big 4 prospects playing meaningful games in August next year. Is this the second or the third straight year that they've gone into the offseason talking up the idea of trading for a frontline pitcher? I don't remember. In any case, I'll believe that actually do this when I see it.
On the one hand, they do have a surplus of young talent to trade from. On the other hand, they still probably can't get an "ace" without giving up one of the big 4, and if they're not willing to do that (and I'd rather they didn't!) then it's probably not going to happen.
On the third hand, I think the need for an ace is kind of over-rated. In Houck they had a pitcher this season who put up more WAR than anyone on the Yankees, Orioles, Guardians, Mets, or Brewers. Their overall starting pitcher WAR was above those 5 teams' as well. They need to add someone, but if it were, say, Kikuchi or Eovaldi or something I think that's fine.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 6, 2024 9:17:55 GMT -5
I gotta be honest, I'm not seeing a ton from ownership on the idea that the young guys are gonna come in and save the day. End of the year press conference it was heavily implied by Breslow that the upgrades would come via trade. I’m not sure if that means, trading for an ace or trading for someone in the middle of the order or both, but I’d think the organization is really putting a lot of stock on the big 4 prospects playing meaningful games in August next year. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Breslow suggests that improvements are coming via trade and that means they are expecting the big 4 to lead the offense? |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 6, 2024 9:30:26 GMT -5
End of the year press conference it was heavily implied by Breslow that the upgrades would come via trade. I’m not sure if that means, trading for an ace or trading for someone in the middle of the order or both, but I’d think the organization is really putting a lot of stock on the big 4 prospects playing meaningful games in August next year. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Breslow suggests that improvements are coming via trade and that means they are expecting the big 4 to lead the offense? No. Two separate points. I would think they are looking at the big 4 as mid season upgrades over at the very least the reserves they had this year. Depending on who gets traded in the offseason, one of them could break camp and make the roster. The logical move is to try and move an outfielder for an arm, but if they want a guy who is a 1 or 2 they’re going to have to part with Duran in the deal. Abreu could probably get someone who would be a solid Pivetta replacement. |
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Post by trotnixon7 on Oct 6, 2024 11:09:14 GMT -5
I gotta be honest, I'm not seeing a ton from ownership on the idea that the young guys are gonna come in and save the day. End of the year press conference it was heavily implied by Breslow that the upgrades would come via trade. I’m not sure if that means, trading for an ace or trading for someone in the middle of the order or both, but I’d think the organization is really putting a lot of stock on the big 4 prospects playing meaningful games in August next year. This is gross to me. They want the upgrades via trade to keep the payroll low when in reality they are in position to upgrade in FA and if they want to also supplement through trade? They can do that also But if they remain outside the top 10 in payroll, I'm not sure how much I can support this franchise personally. Not because I expect to win a WS every season but why give my money to a franchise who's using the investment to fund other interests? |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 6, 2024 11:25:53 GMT -5
End of the year press conference it was heavily implied by Breslow that the upgrades would come via trade. I’m not sure if that means, trading for an ace or trading for someone in the middle of the order or both, but I’d think the organization is really putting a lot of stock on the big 4 prospects playing meaningful games in August next year. This is gross to me. They want the upgrades via trade to keep the payroll low when in reality they are in position to upgrade in FA and if they want to also supplement through trade? They can do that also But if they remain outside the top 10 in payroll, I'm not sure how much I can support this franchise personally. Not because I expect to win a WS every season but why give my money to a franchise who's using the investment to fund other interests? Do you not realize that traded for players have salaries to pay, too? The fact that they’re sending out personnel to see Sasaki should be a pretty clear indicator that they’re not going to shy away from spending when it makes sense. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 6, 2024 11:30:29 GMT -5
Feel like maybe we're making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to that end of year press conference. Can we please just let the offseason actually happen before we grab pitch forks? There's no reason to jump to conclusions in October.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Oct 6, 2024 12:43:21 GMT -5
This is gross to me. They want the upgrades via trade to keep the payroll low when in reality they are in position to upgrade in FA and if they want to also supplement through trade? They can do that also But if they remain outside the top 10 in payroll, I'm not sure how much I can support this franchise personally. Not because I expect to win a WS every season but why give my money to a franchise who's using the investment to fund other interests? Do you not realize that traded for players have salaries to pay, too? The fact that they’re sending out personnel to see Sasaki should be a pretty clear indicator that they’re not going to shy away from spending when it makes sense. Often at a steep discount as you're generally trading for cost controlled players during Arb years. That's a cheaper route than FA as far as money goes. |
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Post by trotnixon7 on Oct 6, 2024 12:47:05 GMT -5
Feel like maybe we're making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to that end of year press conference. Can we please just let the offseason actually happen before we grab pitch forks? There's no reason to jump to conclusions in October. Pitchforks should have already been out. I just feel like 12th in payroll is insanely unacceptable for this market. If you're being topped by the dodgers/yankees? Ok..I can live with that. When you have teams like Toronto out spending you? That's a massive issue. What's worse, it was AFTER a season they got under the cbt. We'll see. Just feels like every indication has they flat out don't care like they once did. |
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Post by kwodes on Oct 6, 2024 13:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 6, 2024 13:28:27 GMT -5
This thread is veering away from projections about the makeup of the team into one more trade subforum free-for-all. It's problematic since any discussion about who will and won't be on the roster will involve player movement. But try to stay focused on what they have and what they need without endless what-ifs that aren't relevant.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 6, 2024 14:59:51 GMT -5
Feel like maybe we're making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to that end of year press conference. Can we please just let the offseason actually happen before we grab pitch forks? There's no reason to jump to conclusions in October. Pitchforks should have already been out. I just feel like 12th in payroll is insanely unacceptable for this market. If you're being topped by the dodgers/yankees? Ok..I can live with that. When you have teams like Toronto out spending you? That's a massive issue. What's worse, it was AFTER a season they got under the cbt. We'll see. Just feels like every indication has they flat out don't care like they once did. We'll see. I wonder why John Henry doesnt show up anymore. Why wasnt he there honoring Joe Castig? Why was the scout who signed Roman Anthony and some other noteworthy talent let go? While I'm glad they're getting pitching infrastructure I do wonder why there are cuts to scouting. And yes I wonder why their financial advantage wasnt utilized to grab a lower tiered playoff spot while the system isnt quite ready yet. They shouldn't be as far down in spending as they are. That's not how theyve been prior to this decade and I dont think that it's a coincidence, along with other factors of course, as to why for this decade they are 2 games under .500 so far. It's a new offseason so let's give them a chance and see what they do. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 6, 2024 15:47:50 GMT -5
Do you not realize that traded for players have salaries to pay, too? The fact that they’re sending out personnel to see Sasaki should be a pretty clear indicator that they’re not going to shy away from spending when it makes sense. Often at a steep discount as you're generally trading for cost controlled players during Arb years. That's a cheaper route than FA as far as money goes. In the short-term sure, but typically if a team is trading for a big time player they intend to extend him.. I think the trade over FA approach is more a product of the quality of player available via each path but whatever if you wanna stress yourself out about the 2025 Red Sox on October 6th you’re more than welcome to |
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Post by pappyman99 on Oct 6, 2024 16:14:00 GMT -5
I’d definitely give up Mayer for McClanahan, but no way the rays are trading him and no way they would to us |
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Post by jdb on Oct 7, 2024 8:24:14 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaydouble on Oct 7, 2024 9:58:57 GMT -5
I don't know, Bergman would have been a great get in her prime, but she's been dead for more than 40 years. |
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Post by 0ap0 on Oct 7, 2024 10:25:08 GMT -5
I don't know, Bergman would have been a great get in her prime, but she's been dead for more than 40 years. I think they meant Ingmar, who was rumored to have challenged Death to a home run derby over his own soul. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 7, 2024 22:56:37 GMT -5
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