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9/20-9/22 Red Sox vs. Twins Series Thread
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 22, 2024 21:38:46 GMT -5
Didnt really help their draft position. Too bad. 67wasbest has it right. That .500 magnet doesnt let go. Wont allow them to make the post season. Wont allow them a strong draft position unless they luck out in the draft lottery. Given where Roman Anthony, Kyle Teel, and Kristian Campbell came in the draft, I’m choosing to enjoy Casas hitting three bombs in a row rather than sweating the 8th vs 13th pick in the draft. I’ll take every win I can get! |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 22, 2024 21:46:57 GMT -5
Didnt really help their draft position. Too bad. 67wasbest has it right. That .500 magnet doesnt let go. Wont allow them to make the post season. Wont allow them a strong draft position unless they luck out in the draft lottery. Given where Roman Anthony, Kyle Teel, and Kristian Campbell came in the draft, I’m choosing to enjoy Casas hitting three bombs in a row rather than sweating the 8th vs 13th pick in the draft. I’ll take every win I can get! I'd rather see them get the 8th pick rather than the 13th pick because of 2 meaningless victories. If the victories actually mattered then that would be a different story, but they don't. I just dont get any kicks out of wins that are just playing out the string, but to each their own. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 22, 2024 22:15:47 GMT -5
I want to finish above .500
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Post by sxfan on Sept 22, 2024 22:26:48 GMT -5
I don't think anyone wants to trade Casas. I think a lot of people are stuck trying to think how to get a impact number one starter, while trying of thinking about ways to even out the lineup with handedness. The Sox have a fine line to do both next year. I don't think the Sox are a Max Fried or Corbin Burns away from a deep playoff run. Well, to be fair, with Casas slumping and with a BA in the .230s there was talk here of trading him for pitching and moving Devers to 1B. Ohh yeah I've seen the talk. Just was justifying why people were talking about trading Casas. I don't think anyone wants it, but there's not a easy or great path to getting what you want this off-season. Someone you or I like will get traded this off-season. Tough decisions will shape this off-season possibly for the next 5 years. It's a game changing off-season coming with plenty of room for payroll even before the tax. |
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 22, 2024 22:31:21 GMT -5
I feel good about helping the Tigers pass the Twins. The Twins are only a gift to the MFY in the playoffs so might as well help a team that has a shot of winning. AJ Hinch also has some experience on that front. Also rather see the Mariners pass the Royals since that team is also toast since they’re literally just Bobby Witt and nothing else, no team should ever pitch to him again with a runner on base or bases empty in a tie game
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 22, 2024 22:46:58 GMT -5
I feel good about helping the Tigers pass the Twins. The Twins are only a gift to the MFY in the playoffs so might as well help a team that has a shot of winning. AJ Hinch also has some experience on that front. Also rather see the Mariners pass the Royals since that team is also toast since they’re literally just Bobby Witt and nothing else, no team should ever pitch to him again with a runner on base or bases empty in a tie game This. I want the Yankees (and Dodgers) to exit the playoffs in their first series. |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 23, 2024 3:33:04 GMT -5
If all the chicanery happened, then this weird, stupid, mortally wounded baseball team would luck into the playoffs because of tie-breaker insanity like a blackout drunk guy winning at the slot machines? Thanks for this. No. Sox just lost tiebreaker to MN. they needed a sweep. 3 -way tie KC-MN-BOS: KC lost season series to both MN, BOSTON. Thus, KC gets eliminated. Mn-Bos is now a 2-way tie .... goes to Minnesota |
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 23, 2024 6:12:52 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, with Casas slumping and with a BA in the .230s there was talk here of trading him for pitching and moving Devers to 1B. Ohh yeah I've seen the talk. Just was justifying why people were talking about trading Casas. I don't think anyone wants it, but there's not a easy or great path to getting what you want this off-season. Someone you or I like will get traded this off-season. Tough decisions will shape this off-season possibly for the next 5 years. It's a game changing off-season coming with plenty of room for payroll even before the tax. Yup....we are going to feel bad when it happens. Who said there will be no crying in baseball....😊. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 23, 2024 7:50:48 GMT -5
I want to finish above .500 Me too! I found that the prospect of tanking is a good coping mechanism, so if (when) they lose I don't feel bad. But I'm still a fan, I want them to win every game. Besides, this is not the NFL. Tanking is not THAT important. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 23, 2024 8:00:50 GMT -5
Besides, this is not the NFL. Tanking is not THAT important. Tanking is super overrated in the NFL because of the salary curve of draft picks. #1 gets twice as much as #10 and if you're not taking a QB then you'd rather just have the cheaper player: |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 23, 2024 8:18:17 GMT -5
Besides, this is not the NFL. Tanking is not THAT important. Tanking is super overrated in the NFL because of the salary curve of draft picks. #1 gets twice as much as #10 and if you're not taking a QB then you'd rather just have the cheaper player: Not to go down a rabbit hole but I'd still want the higher pick every time in the NFL even if you don't want a QB as you can usually trade that pick to drop down to around 10 for a haul of picks anyway. Unless of course you are the Titans at which case they just pick a crappy o-lineman where ever they end up picking anyway (I'm sadly a Titans fan, what a dumpster fire they are). |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 23, 2024 8:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Sept 23, 2024 8:53:20 GMT -5
Given where Roman Anthony, Kyle Teel, and Kristian Campbell came in the draft, I’m choosing to enjoy Casas hitting three bombs in a row rather than sweating the 8th vs 13th pick in the draft. I’ll take every win I can get! I'd rather see them get the 8th pick rather than the 13th pick because of 2 meaningless victories. If the victories actually mattered then that would be a different story, but they don't. I just dont get any kicks out of wins that are just playing out the string, but to each their own. The Red Sox' playoff odds now are the same as the Tigers' were on August 11th. Two ways to interpret this:
1) "So you're saying there's a chance."
2) The Tigers being in playoff position now is as bonkers as it would be if the Red Sox make the playoffs.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 23, 2024 8:56:29 GMT -5
The Tigers were $150,000,000 under the tax this year. I'm thinking they follow up the exuberance of this second half with a wild spending spree, possibly including the #1 guy
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 23, 2024 9:42:50 GMT -5
Besides, this is not the NFL. Tanking is not THAT important. Tanking is super overrated in the NFL because of the salary curve of draft picks. #1 gets twice as much as #10 and if you're not taking a QB then you'd rather just have the cheaper player: I respectfully disagree here because if you're tanking, you probably need a QB and even if you somehow don't, you can move the pick to some team that will inevitably get stupid. The only way tanking (assuming the team is bad enough) would be detrimental is if it's a particularly weak QB class. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 23, 2024 9:50:39 GMT -5
The Tigers were $150,000,000 under the tax this year. I'm thinking they follow up the exuberance of this second half with a wild spending spree, possibly including the #1 guy Assuming by the #1 guy you mean Soto, it would certainly be a surprise to see the Tigers in on him at first thought but if you think about it a little more they already have some good young pieces and money to spend as you illustrate. Odds are low but I wouldn't say 0%. I kind of laugh at the "foregone conclusion" that he signs in NY and there is no other team even entertained by some on here except for the Yankes/Mets. I'd say it's probably 50/50, maybe 60/40 that he stays in NY with one of those teams but I don't think it's any guarantee. Teams will be lining up to offer him a big deal. Another darkhorse I read was the Nats, they've offered him a massive contract before which he turned down but they basically have no money on their books and a strong young talent pool too. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 23, 2024 10:59:23 GMT -5
Tanking is super overrated in the NFL because of the salary curve of draft picks. #1 gets twice as much as #10 and if you're not taking a QB then you'd rather just have the cheaper player: I respectfully disagree here because if you're tanking, you probably need a QB and even if you somehow don't, you can move the pick to some team that will inevitably get stupid. The only way tanking (assuming the team is bad enough) would be detrimental is if it's a particularly weak QB class. To tie this back together, you always want a higher pick in the NFL because you can move it for the surplus value you might otherwise waste... which is why tanking in *MLB* isn't as big of a deal. The best benefit from picking sooner is having more bonus money, because players always fall for weird reasons (see Teel, Kyle). This is another reason why they really ought to let teams trade picks. |
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Post by nomar on Sept 23, 2024 11:03:15 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree here because if you're tanking, you probably need a QB and even if you somehow don't, you can move the pick to some team that will inevitably get stupid. The only way tanking (assuming the team is bad enough) would be detrimental is if it's a particularly weak QB class. To tie this back together, you always want a higher pick in the NFL because you can move it for the surplus value you might otherwise waste... which is why tanking in *MLB* isn't as big of a deal. The best benefit from picking sooner is having more bonus money, because players always fall for weird reasons (see Teel, Kyle). This is another reason why they really ought to let teams trade picks. I’d be curious to see a case study where a team was terrible a few times and always traded down. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2024 12:02:25 GMT -5
I'd rather see them get the 8th pick rather than the 13th pick because of 2 meaningless victories. If the victories actually mattered then that would be a different story, but they don't. I just dont get any kicks out of wins that are just playing out the string, but to each their own. The Red Sox' playoff odds now are the same as the Tigers' were on August 11th. Two ways to interpret this: 1) "So you're saying there's a chance." 2) The Tigers being in playoff position now is as bonkers as it would be if the Red Sox make the playoffs.
Cant blame the Tigers for selling, but I bet they wish they had Flaherty to go with Skubal, Olson, and Mize for the postseason should they get there. Meanwhile I figured at least 1 of Minnesota or KC would falter post all star break and as it turned out both did. Because of that I was sure the Sox would make the playoffs which was why I was adamant that they shouldn't sell. All they had to do was to not suck. Not exactly the tallest of orders. Ah well. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 23, 2024 12:04:27 GMT -5
The guy they got for Flaherty hit .315/.470/.562 for them in the minors, I'll bet their fans don't mind.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2024 12:09:44 GMT -5
The guy they got for Flaherty hit .315/.470/.562 for them in the minors, I'll bet their fans don't mind. That's just in 89 ABs after being meh in a larger sample size. Still, not knocking the kid or the trade and to your point in time theyll likely be fine with the deal. In October they might feel different but the feeling will pass. Again, not blaming the Tigers for making the move. Could be a good move for them. Just laughing at the crystal ball hindsight is 20-20 irony that the Tigers shouldn't have punted and the Red Sox should have. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 23, 2024 12:11:30 GMT -5
Given where Roman Anthony, Kyle Teel, and Kristian Campbell came in the draft, I’m choosing to enjoy Casas hitting three bombs in a row rather than sweating the 8th vs 13th pick in the draft. I’ll take every win I can get! I'd rather see them get the 8th pick rather than the 13th pick because of 2 meaningless victories. If the victories actually mattered then that would be a different story, but they don't. I just dont get any kicks out of wins that are just playing out the string, but to each their own. I expect that they mattered to the Mgr & players on my favorite team, which means they matter to me. Draft pick schmaft pick. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2024 12:12:42 GMT -5
I'd rather see them get the 8th pick rather than the 13th pick because of 2 meaningless victories. If the victories actually mattered then that would be a different story, but they don't. I just dont get any kicks out of wins that are just playing out the string, but to each their own. I expect that they mattered to the Mgr & players on my favorite team, which means they matter to me. Draft pick schmaft pick. Like I said to each their own. I think those wins would have mattered more to them when they really needed them, but again just my opinion. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 23, 2024 12:41:36 GMT -5
I mean, it's Herm Edwards here, right?
On a micro level, I want Casas to go off and get his confidence back to close the year, Crawford to have a couple good starts, etc.
It's one thing if you're talking about picking 3rd versus 20th. 8th vs 13th? Meh. Do I want 6-0 to close the season? No but they're not gonna do that.
It is interesting they still could be anywhere from 8th to 16th pre-lottery.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 23, 2024 12:54:49 GMT -5
The Tigers were $150,000,000 under the tax this year. I'm thinking they follow up the exuberance of this second half with a wild spending spree, possibly including the #1 guy Assuming by the #1 guy you mean Soto, it would certainly be a surprise to see the Tigers in on him at first thought but if you think about it a little more they already have some good young pieces and money to spend as you illustrate. Odds are low but I wouldn't say 0%. I kind of laugh at the "foregone conclusion" that he signs in NY and there is no other team even entertained by some on here except for the Yankes/Mets. I'd say it's probably 50/50, maybe 60/40 that he stays in NY with one of those teams but I don't think it's any guarantee. Teams will be lining up to offer him a big deal. Another darkhorse I read was the Nats, they've offered him a massive contract before which he turned down but they basically have no money on their books and a strong young talent pool too. The Tigers have a similar problem that the Red Sox have, Greene, Meadows, Carpenter, Keith,Jung, and the kid they got from the Dodgers who is currently playing short for them are all left-handed hitters. I think "no" on Soto. O'Neil, on the other hand, I could see them going after. |
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