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2024 World Series Gameday Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2024 23:26:56 GMT -5
If Dave Roberts can pilot the Dodgers to the championship, then that's 2 really aggravating events that he has helped inflict upon the Yankees. Long way to go, but one can hope. Roberts would contribute to 3. 2004. 2018. 2024 (if he pulls it off). Since the Sox won all 3 Yeah I know what you mean, but directly a Dodgers victory IF they can pull it off would be sticking it to the Yankees twice. Right now a lot of Sox fans are living vicariously thru the Dodgers but if they win, a banner doesnt go up at Fenway. You're right that the 2018 world series win was aided by a crucial miscommunication between 2 Red Sox guys wearing Dodger Blue, Roberts and Rich Hill. I find it funny that the 2 managers are haunting ghosts within the height of the rivalry with Boone the hero in 03 against the Sox and Roberts who ignited The Comeback in 04, giving Yankee fans nightmares. Also kind of funny that Verdugo and Betts are playing against each other, too.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 25, 2024 23:28:57 GMT -5
Tim Hill has been like the second best reliever for the Yankees this postseason, with batters seemingly unable to elevate the ball more than three feet off the ground for weeks now. The wrong mustachio’d lefty was seemingly chosen What an incredible game Literally top tier bonehead move by Boone to put him in. Dude’s elbow is spaghetti right now. We love to see it. To correct myself, Cortes pitch wasn’t down the middle but it certainly felt like it. It was a TERRIBLE pitch. He was just flat out not competitive.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 25, 2024 23:43:43 GMT -5
If Dave Roberts can pilot the Dodgers to the championship, then that's 2 really aggravating events that he has helped inflict upon the Yankees. Long way to go, but one can hope. Roberts would contribute to 3. 2004. 2018. 2024 (if he pulls it off). Since the Sox won all 3 Every manager who won 3 WS is in the HOF, except for Bochy, who's not eligible because he's still active. DR would have to be considered a strong candidate if he wins a second to go along with his four NL pennants and all the division titles. Earl Weaver won just one WS and he's in.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2024 23:54:24 GMT -5
Roberts would contribute to 3. 2004. 2018. 2024 (if he pulls it off). Since the Sox won all 3 Every manager who won 3 WS is in the HOF, except for Bochy, who's not eligible because he's still active. DR would have to be considered a strong candidate if he wins a second to go along with his four NL pennants and all the division titles. Earl Weaver won just one WS and he's in. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Give Roberts a few more years with a .600 plus winning percentage and another title or 2, he'll get in. At this point it's just a matter of time before Tito gets in, and I think eventually Theo has a chance, too.
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Post by asm18 on Oct 25, 2024 23:56:12 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2024 23:58:39 GMT -5
Methinks Freeman just put a huge check on his HOF credentials.
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Post by LoneStarSox on Oct 26, 2024 0:26:55 GMT -5
Every manager who won 3 WS is in the HOF, except for Bochy, who's not eligible because he's still active. DR would have to be considered a strong candidate if he wins a second to go along with his four NL pennants and all the division titles. Earl Weaver won just one WS and he's in. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Give Roberts a few more years with a .600 plus winning percentage and another title or 2, he'll get in. At this point it's just a matter of time before Tito gets in, and I think eventually Theo has a chance, too. theo broke two curses. He’s first ballot.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 26, 2024 0:31:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Give Roberts a few more years with a .600 plus winning percentage and another title or 2, he'll get in. At this point it's just a matter of time before Tito gets in, and I think eventually Theo has a chance, too. theo broke two curses. He’s first ballot. Yeah, don't even think its a question with Theo. He's 100% eventually getting in.
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Post by asm18 on Oct 26, 2024 1:03:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Give Roberts a few more years with a .600 plus winning percentage and another title or 2, he'll get in. At this point it's just a matter of time before Tito gets in, and I think eventually Theo has a chance, too. theo broke two curses. He’s first ballot. And helped add the pitch clock
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 26, 2024 2:04:59 GMT -5
no faith in these dodgers this appears to be a new category of reverse jinx. A third party reverse, or might it be a Voodoo Yankee reverse, being the game does not directly involve the Sox. The substance of the reverse is the same, yes, but it just feels different. Regardless, Well done.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 26, 2024 2:06:11 GMT -5
i crashed, sadly, before the big moment.
Suffice to say, however, what a great thing to have happened !!
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 26, 2024 2:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by kwodes on Oct 26, 2024 5:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 26, 2024 8:00:37 GMT -5
Methinks Freeman just put a huge check on his HOF credentials. Yes, Freddie's at 60.7 B-Ref WAR and was 4.7 this year, meaning he hasn't even started his decline years. Even if he starts his decline in 2025, a normal decline curve could easily get him to 70. Sweet Lou Whitaker is the only guy I can think of who's been omitted with 7O or more and guys have been elected - some on the first ballot - with about 60 or less. Whitaker put up 75.1, which means his omisssion is a shameful absurdity for the voters. Don't get me started on El Tiante and Dewey, who both reached 65.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 26, 2024 8:00:38 GMT -5
Not a word of exaggeration: When FF made contact, I jumped off the couch and screamed "Get the f-ck outta here! Get the f-ck outta here!" It was a no doubter but I wanted to give it a little help just to make sure. I was actually pleased that they walked MB, even though it set up a L-L matchup. I just had more faith in FF there. The HP ump should be run out of the sport after the first two strike calls to Edman. There's no excuse for missing pitches that badly in that spot. It's the equivalent of a base runner forgetting the number of outs with a WS game on the line. This will get overlooked given the final outcome, but that was very concerning
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 26, 2024 8:09:55 GMT -5
Every manager who won 3 WS is in the HOF, except for Bochy, who's not eligible because he's still active. DR would have to be considered a strong candidate if he wins a second to go along with his four NL pennants and all the division titles. Earl Weaver won just one WS and he's in. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Give Roberts a few more years with a .600 plus winning percentage and another title or 2, he'll get in. At this point it's just a matter of time before Tito gets in, and I think eventually Theo has a chance, too. Tito would have been eligible for induction in 2027 and would have been a sure thing, I think. But now he's an active manager again, so we don't know when he'll be eligible. The HOF Eras Committee considers non-players once very three years, so he might have to wait a year or two even once he retires. The thing with Theo is that he still has so many years in BB left that it could be decades before he gets into the HOF. Everybody seems to think he has a shot at being commissioner, which would add to his HOF credentials. Even bad commissioners can make the HOF. Kenesaw Landis adamantly kept the game segragated and Bowie Kuhn tried to keep the treatment of the players like it was in the 1920s. Kuhn got his ass handed to him every time he went near a negotiating table or arbitration proceeding with the players. His tenure was outright farcical. But he got a plaque.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 26, 2024 8:11:24 GMT -5
Theo is 100 percent getting into the HOF. Two broken curses and the inside track to being the next commissioner. It's a lock.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 26, 2024 8:47:45 GMT -5
theo broke two curses. He’s first ballot. Yeah, don't even think its a question with Theo. He's 100% eventually getting in. Awesome. He would deserve it. You just never know how or when they do their voting for executives.
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Post by asm18 on Oct 26, 2024 8:49:32 GMT -5
It’s funny, because for as much we might cite the Dodgers as a blueprint for combining spending money and player development… their top prospects and young players over the last few years largely haven’t panned out as hoped outside of Will Smith? Their only homegrown players on the World Series roster other than Smith include: Walker Buelher - stud pitcher who got hurt, and it’s been largely a struggle since Gavin Lux - former #2 prospect in all of baseball - who then tore his ACL, got the Yips, and is basically a platoon second baseman Landon Knack & Ben Casparus as low leverage/long relief in their pen They have a litany of young starters undergoing or still rehabbing from major surgeries - May, Gonsolin, Stone, Sheehan, River Ryan. Two promising players in James Outman and Bobby Miller who shined in 2023 were below replacement level and sent to AAA. And while the Dodgers have used a lot of their recent prospect capital for trades, to this point I don’t know how many of the teams they’ve traded with are super happy with the results. The Nationals for instance traded a rental Scherzer and 1.5 years of Trea Turner in ‘21 for Josiah Gray (4.84 ERA over a few years before TJ) and Keibert Ruiz (below replacement level via Fangraphs the last two years). We certainly don’t need to dwell here on our major trade with them. Perhaps the best returns (so far) look to be the Rays getting Pepiot for Glasnow and the Cubs getting Michael Busch in a 40-man space clearing trade? It’s not exactly a flattering picture. But throwing bajillions of dollars at MVP players every other year or so also seems to be working for them
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 26, 2024 9:02:41 GMT -5
It’s funny, because for as much we might cite the Dodgers as a blueprint for combining spending money and player development… their top prospects and young players over the last few years largely haven’t panned out as hoped outside of Will Smith? Their only homegrown players on the World Series roster other than Smith include: Walker Buelher - stud pitcher who got hurt, and it’s been largely a struggle since Gavin Lux - former #2 prospect in all of baseball - who then tore his ACL, got the Yips, and is basically a platoon second baseman Landon Knack & Ben Casparus as low leverage/long relief in their pen They have a litany of young starters undergoing or still rehabbing from major surgeries - May, Gonsolin, Stone, Sheehan, River Ryan. Two promising players in James Outman and Bobby Miller who shined in 2023 were below replacement level and sent to AAA. And while the Dodgers have used a lot of their recent prospect capital for trades, to this point I don’t know how many of the teams they’ve traded with are super happy with the results. The Nationals for instance traded a rental Scherzer and 1.5 years of Trea Turner in ‘21 for Josiah Gray (4.84 ERA over a few years before TJ) and Keibert Ruiz (below replacement level via Fangraphs the last two years). We certainly don’t need to dwell here on our major trade with them. Perhaps the best returns (so far) look to be the Rays getting Pepiot for Glasnow and the Cubs getting Michael Busch in a 40-man space clearing trade? It’s not exactly a flattering picture. But throwing bajillions of dollars at MVP players every other year or so also seems to be working for them The key is who to trade, develop enough guys who look like they could be useful to trade for when a need arises, keep the guys you think will be your studs (which the Sox should do with their top 5 guys) and shop at the top of the market for impact talent while making the occasional theft, I mean didnt Muncy start off with Oakland, and now hes been on the Dodgers for years just kind of like how they had Justin Turner for all those years.
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Post by shagworthy on Oct 26, 2024 14:56:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure which, cream or clear, Stanton has suddenly been doused in, but it has to backfire soon, no? He's suddenly gone from being the poster boy for wasted salary and medical fragility to a world beater and it's suspect to me that he can keep it up before he pulls another calf-muscle or (insert soft tissue injury here).
My feeling is that the Yankees are a really flawed team being managed by a really flawed manager. The Dodgers are an extremely talented team bereft with injury, and being micromanaged sometimes to the point of unforced errors. The Dodgers clearly should have won more over their streak of dominance yet they seem to invent ways to cock it up. On the other side, the Yankees are consistently overrated year in and year out and the kinks in their armor are apparent over the full schedule of games, but they do just enough... to be there in the end, so... I don't know.
All of this said, if the Yankees somehow manage to win, I'll be happy for Judge, begrudgingly, because he at least seems like a decent dude. f' Kermit, And Soto and his batting box shenanigans, Verdugo, etc. The Yankees have had so many hate-able players over the years, Donaldson, Paul O'Neil, Chad Curtis, Hitchcock, Arod, Knoblouch, Joba, the list could go on, and they weren't just hate-able because they wore the laundry, they were just a**holes.
Go Dodgers, end it in 4 so we can move on to the offseason rumors.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 26, 2024 15:15:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure which, cream or clear, Stanton has suddenly been doused in, but it has to backfire soon, no? He's suddenly gone from being the poster boy for wasted salary and medical fragility to a world beater and it's suspect to me that he can keep it up before he pulls another calf-muscle or (insert soft tissue injury here). Stanton swings as hard as he possibly can on every pitch, which even in 2024 is significantly harder than anybody else in baseball, and just guesses fastball or breaking ball. If he guesses right and it's right down the middle it's going a long way and otherwise he's making an out. Any hot streak of his is just the slot machine lining up for him more than usual.
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Post by shagworthy on Oct 26, 2024 16:03:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure which, cream or clear, Stanton has suddenly been doused in, but it has to backfire soon, no? He's suddenly gone from being the poster boy for wasted salary and medical fragility to a world beater and it's suspect to me that he can keep it up before he pulls another calf-muscle or (insert soft tissue injury here). Stanton swings as hard as he possibly can on every pitch, which even in 2024 is significantly harder than anybody else in baseball, and just guesses fastball or breaking ball. If he guesses right and it's right down the middle it's going a long way and otherwise he's making an out. Any hot streak of his is just the slot machine lining up for him more than usual. It's not just his guesswork though, he's been unable to post so much the past few years that it is shocking to me when he can string together more than 10 games when he can be in a lineup.
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Post by asm18 on Oct 26, 2024 18:00:48 GMT -5
Seeing Ohtani get to the World Series and be so energized by it makes me wish someone could rescue Mike Trout from the depths of hell that is Anaheim, California while there’s still time. He’s still only 33!
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 26, 2024 19:17:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure which, cream or clear, Stanton has suddenly been doused in, but it has to backfire soon, no? He's suddenly gone from being the poster boy for wasted salary and medical fragility to a world beater and it's suspect to me that he can keep it up before he pulls another calf-muscle or (insert soft tissue injury here). Stanton swings as hard as he possibly can on every pitch, which even in 2024 is significantly harder than anybody else in baseball, and just guesses fastball or breaking ball. If he guesses right and it's right down the middle it's going a long way and otherwise he's making an out. Any hot streak of his is just the slot machine lining up for him more than usual. I've had the feeling/hope, too, since Stanton got hot earlier in the PS that it had to end soon. I wish I had come up with the slot machine analogy because I think it works well. When the MFYs finished off Cleveland, I thought they'd be much less formidable once regression set in for Stanton and Torres. I still think that's coming.
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