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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 14, 2024 19:31:55 GMT -5
Could there be a scenario where Soto and Crochet are linked in a sense? They sign Soto for 45M AAV and they're going to have a hard time convincing Henry to also spend 30M on fried/burnes/Snell. Enter crochet and all of a sudden you get the big bat and the big pitcher for 50-60M. Just a thought, probably isn't much correlation but makes you wonder. It’s worth cautioning that any hellaciously loose flow of money by Henry & co. might be Soto-specific. Like the Blue Jays upon missing out on Ohtani last year didn’t go crazy after - they signed Justin Turner, Isaiah Kiner-Falefa and Yariel Rodriguez and that was basically it. That’s not not suggest this off-season will be a dud if they don’t land him - but half a billion that goes unused Soto might not waterfall into “well let’s just use that money on X” To be fair, it's not as if there are a ton of guys you can quickly pivot to in that situation |
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 14, 2024 19:56:41 GMT -5
It’s worth cautioning that any hellaciously loose flow of money by Henry & co. might be Soto-specific. Like the Blue Jays upon missing out on Ohtani last year didn’t go crazy after - they signed Justin Turner, Isaiah Kiner-Falefa and Yariel Rodriguez and that was basically it. That’s not not suggest this off-season will be a dud if they don’t land him - but half a billion that goes unused Soto might not waterfall into “well let’s just use that money on X” To be fair, it's not as if there are a ton of guys you can quickly pivot to in that situation Exactly. Last thing I’d personally want is for Breslow and Co to go crazy buying whatever they think they need just because they missed out on Soto. |
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Post by keninten on Nov 14, 2024 19:56:45 GMT -5
Could there be a scenario where Soto and Crochet are linked in a sense? They sign Soto for 45M AAV and they're going to have a hard time convincing Henry to also spend 30M on fried/burnes/Snell. Enter crochet and all of a sudden you get the big bat and the big pitcher for 50-60M. Just a thought, probably isn't much correlation but makes you wonder. My thoughts on this have been that signing Soto would have to come with the trade of a young SP. Not just the CWS but also Miami, Cincinnati, and Pittsburg. Hopefully Breslow can find someone who wants 4 quarters for a $. |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 14, 2024 20:06:14 GMT -5
Forgot about this from last year - get Varitek to take Juan clubbing after the pitch meeting:
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Post by badballhitter on Nov 14, 2024 20:06:41 GMT -5
Why the hell have I refreshed this page so much today knowing that at the bare minimum nothing substantial will be reported before Monday, and likely much later than that? I’m like Dexter… Just accepting that I have an issue and swimming with the current. [br I don't know about it taking substantially longer after Monday. For some reason I have a gut feeling the Soto sweepstakes won't drag on too long. Gonna guess he'll sign by next weekend. Of course since I said it we won't know until Dec. i was thinking the same thing. I don't see much to gain by Boras dragging this out the way he typically does, it feels like every last dollar is already on the table and the longer he waits the longer teams have to talk themselves out of paying half a billion or so to a single player. |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 14, 2024 20:31:23 GMT -5
The market is kind of frozen on Boras' other clients like Burnes and Alonso as long as Soto's still out there, too. He's a weirdo so who knows, but if I were him I wouldn't want Alonso, for instance, dangling out there until February.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 14, 2024 21:08:15 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Nov 14, 2024 21:35:29 GMT -5
Pedro employing his customary "the Red Sox NEED to sign this guy and GIVE HIM ALL THE MONEY THEY HAVE" negotiating tactic on behalf of the team.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 14, 2024 21:46:20 GMT -5
Pedro employing his customary "the Red Sox NEED to sign this guy and GIVE HIM ALL THE MONEY THEY HAVE" negotiating tactic on behalf of the team. Has that ever worked? |
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Post by KoreaSoxFan on Nov 14, 2024 21:57:08 GMT -5
Passan, Stats, Carrabis and now Bradford
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Post by chr31ter on Nov 14, 2024 22:02:47 GMT -5
The vibes are immaculate.
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Post by cdj on Nov 14, 2024 22:03:10 GMT -5
Pedro employing his customary "the Red Sox NEED to sign this guy and GIVE HIM ALL THE MONEY THEY HAVE" negotiating tactic on behalf of the team. Has that ever worked? Probably Devers right? |
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Nov 14, 2024 22:03:17 GMT -5
Pedro employing his customary "the Red Sox NEED to sign this guy and GIVE HIM ALL THE MONEY THEY HAVE" negotiating tactic on behalf of the team. Has he pointed out that Soto's change-up is truly amazing? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 14, 2024 22:20:15 GMT -5
Passan, Stats, Carrabis and now Bradford Manny 2.0 or f*ck you Henry. No coming back from this. Let’s smash long balls and make everyone hate us or be perpetually anal about WAR and nerdy stats nobody cares about while we don’t win Jack sh*t again. |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 14, 2024 22:32:26 GMT -5
Passan, Stats, Carrabis and now Bradford Manny 2.0 or f*ck you Henry. No coming back from this. Let’s smash long balls and make everyone hate us or be perpetually anal about WAR and nerdy stats nobody cares about while we don’t win Jack sh*t again. What's funny is that their pursuit of Soto is undoubtedly the product of front office nebbishes spending countless hours poring over WAR aging curve charts and such. |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 14, 2024 22:38:15 GMT -5
I will buy everyone on this board Tim Horton’s if Soto actually goes to Toronto
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 14, 2024 22:48:57 GMT -5
Manny 2.0 or f*ck you Henry. No coming back from this. Let’s smash long balls and make everyone hate us or be perpetually anal about WAR and nerdy stats nobody cares about while we don’t win Jack sh*t again. What's funny is that their pursuit of Soto is undoubtedly the product of front office nebbishes spending countless hours poring over WAR aging curve charts and such. To be fair, I’m not against nerdy analysis on players. I badly with we kept Mookie. And I’m on record saying we don’t need Soto. But come on, if we’re going bananas let’s do it now. There’s no Soto next year. |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 14, 2024 23:08:53 GMT -5
What's funny is that their pursuit of Soto is undoubtedly the product of front office nebbishes spending countless hours poring over WAR aging curve charts and such. To be fair, I’m not against nerdy analysis on players. I badly with we kept Mookie. And I’m on record saying we don’t need Soto. But come on, if we’re going bananas let’s do it now. There’s no Soto next year. Time to get a little unreasonable, maybe, as Bloom said of Devers...
As for the Blue Jays: that seems like a path to perpetual mediocrity for both the Blue Jays and Soto. They have at most 1 year left in their current window of contention. Vlad Jr. and Bichette are both gone in a year. Their farm system is barren. Soto in Ontario would be the new Trout in Anaheim.
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 14, 2024 23:10:17 GMT -5
Only the FO knows how close/ serious they are. I just hope this dosnt tie up the whole offseason and you left scrambling
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Post by southernbosox on Nov 14, 2024 23:12:31 GMT -5
Only the FO knows how close/ serious they are. I just hope this dosnt tie up the whole offseason and you left scrambling I doubt the top of market moves much until Soto signs. Teoscar certainly isn’t moving until Soto has picked a team. |
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 14, 2024 23:46:43 GMT -5
Only the FO knows how close/ serious they are. I just hope this dosnt tie up the whole offseason and you left scrambling I doubt the top of market moves much until Soto signs. Teoscar certainly isn’t moving until Soto has picked a team. 100% agree. Its just (between the available FAs, the Sox payrole flexibility, the status of the farm, and the so many ways to improve the club)the Sox should be running the show this offseason. Id hate to see them loose the advantage as they miss out on other options. A some point things are going to start happening. I dout any pitchera are going to want a debacle like last year. That said never know what Boras will do |
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Post by ctsoxguy33 on Nov 15, 2024 0:28:01 GMT -5
So if we land Soto he's the top guy in Boston right ? Even with how much I love Raffy he hasn't put up Soto numbers. Raffy doesn't trust his english in interviews and had that weird end of season where he ducked the media. Plus if Soto comes in takes a leadership role and is the one talking to the media taking the pressure off the other guys that would be amazing. Raffy is a hitter no doubt an them at 2, 3 in the lineup will be scary for other teams.
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Post by sxfan on Nov 15, 2024 0:58:53 GMT -5
Personally shocked that the Sox seem like they're actually trying here. Doesn't seem like their usual signal flare "we tried."
I've been waiting for John Henry to start acting like he owns one of the most valuable franchises in sports since he bought this team. It's been 25 years. He's had success, but he's never busted out his wallet like this.
The Red Sox have the best situation going for Soto if they're serious.
Devers isn't a leader type. He's quiet and goofy, but not totally vocal.
Soto would be the man here.
He would lead like 4-5 25 and under year old potential all-stars into perennial play off contention for the next 5-8 years.
He's a perfect on base machine/out-preventer/offense creator. Ted Williams Jr.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 15, 2024 3:05:39 GMT -5
A week ago I thought no friggin' way. Now there's hope.
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Post by alex710707 on Nov 15, 2024 3:16:28 GMT -5
Juan Soto is young and one of the best hitter, but I doubt if it's a good idea to sign him, because of BOS too many left handed hitter.Tristan Casas/Rafael Devers/Jarren Duran/Wilyer Abreu/Masataka Yoshida
Tristan Casas/Rafael Devers/Jarren Duran/Wilyer Abreu/Masataka Yoshida are all Left handed hitter
Tristan Casas
VS RHP .256/.359/.487
VS LHP .227/.350/.422
Yoshida
VS RHP .300/.351/.459
VS LHP .239/.318/.351
Wilyer Abreu
VS RHP .277/.347/.495
VS LHP .183/.247/.268
Jarren Duran
VS RHP .280/.335/.496
VS LHP .245/.299/.333
Rafael Devers
VS RHP .286/.356/.554
VS LHP .265/.321/.419
The only two OPS+ above100 right handed hitter are Tyler Oneal and Connor Wong.Tyler Oneal is FA and Wong had a career high OPS last year.
Jaun Soto
VS RHP .293/.439/.561
VS LHP .268/.383/.475
BOS Big 4 prospect.
Roman Anthony/ Marcelo Mayer/ Kyle Teel are left handed hitter.Only Kristian Campbell right handed.
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