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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2024 5:59:02 GMT -5
No formal offer made last night according to the article.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2024 7:08:03 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that the contract offer that signs Soto will be for 14 years and 701 million with an obligatory number of opt outs.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 15, 2024 7:28:48 GMT -5
No formal offer has me kind of annoyed. Unless they told him to get his best offer and to come back here with it. I'd have rather seen something put out to show that they're very serious about spending the money needed to bring him here.
Getting the feeling they're as serious about signing him as Ohtani and just attaching themselves to the player's name for buzz.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2024 7:36:09 GMT -5
No formal offer has me kind of annoyed. Unless they told him to get his best offer and to come back here with it. I'd have rather seen something put out to show that they're very serious about spending the money needed to bring him here. Getting the feeling they're as serious about signing him as Ohtani and just attaching themselves to the player's name for buzz. They never bothered meeting with ohtani so the fact they met and gave a full pitch to soto shows they're actually serious. This isn't just some PR thing. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 15, 2024 7:56:04 GMT -5
No formal offer has me kind of annoyed. Unless they told him to get his best offer and to come back here with it. I'd have rather seen something put out to show that they're very serious about spending the money needed to bring him here. Getting the feeling they're as serious about signing him as Ohtani and just attaching themselves to the player's name for buzz. They never bothered meeting with ohtani so the fact they met and gave a full pitch to soto shows they're actually serious. This isn't just some PR thing. I think I'm misremembering what happened with Ohtani and might be conflating him with Yamamoto. I think they couldn't get a meeting with Ohtani and didn't have any real interest from Boston. The Red Sox I think couldn't get Yamamoto to come to Fenway and flew out to meet him. They did at least offer him 300 million, but so did 3 other teams. Real offer for that number, but probably never expected he'd take it. I'd have felt more comfortable reading the Red Sox offered the most but location played a major factor. I'm really hoping to never read, "Red Sox offered 550, but Toronto offered 600". Like, yeah, it's real, but you knew that wouldn't be enough. I'm just jaded at this point. |
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Post by trotnixon7 on Nov 15, 2024 8:02:26 GMT -5
Maybe I'm over thinking it but wouldn't the head owner generally be involved with a player of this magnitude who will at minimum get half a billion (prob 600M)?
Like I'm somehow doubting Cohen isn't going to meet soto.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2024 8:13:06 GMT -5
A productive "first" session with no money discussed. This deal ain't closing anytime soon. Since this is coming from Boras, that "first" word stands out as a positive sign to me.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2024 8:19:51 GMT -5
A productive "first" session with no money discussed. This deal ain't closing anytime soon Itll probably drag into the winter meetings. Hope he signs earlier there so it doesnt hold up the domino effect transactions from occurring later in the meetings. |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 15, 2024 8:23:02 GMT -5
He was impressed! There you have it. He's coming to Boston.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 15, 2024 8:51:34 GMT -5
ZiPS says 13/620 for Soto. That’s close enough to the $700 number that I kind of expect a structure with deferrals to take it over that. Maybe something like 13/45 with $100m deferred or 13/35 with $210 deferred depending on Soto’s preference
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Post by patford on Nov 15, 2024 8:54:18 GMT -5
Money not being discussed may just come down to finding out whether or not Soto is open to signing with the Red Sox. With Ohtani it was clear he was always going to the Dodgers so why bother if you're just being used.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 15, 2024 8:56:12 GMT -5
Money not being discussed may just come down to finding out whether or not Soto is open to signing with the Red Sox. With Ohtani it was clear he was always going to the Dodgers so why bother if you're just being used. Did it say somewhere that money wasn’t discussed? That it much different than a lack of a formal offer. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2024 8:58:05 GMT -5
Based on that article it sounds like the Sox, Blue Jays, Mets and Yankees are the only teams to get a meeting.
I see an article before the Blue Jays meeting from Jon Heyman talking about how much money the Blue Jays might offer, and then I can't find any debrief in the press like the one McAdam just posted.
Kinda looking like it's just us vs a couple of 110% tax teams.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 15, 2024 9:06:36 GMT -5
Juan Soto is young and one of the best hitter, but I doubt if it's a good idea to sign him, because of BOS too many left handed hitter.Tristan Casas/Rafael Devers/Jarren Duran/Wilyer Abreu/Masataka Yoshida Tristan Casas/Rafael Devers/Jarren Duran/Wilyer Abreu/Masataka Yoshida are all Left handed hitter Tristan Casas VS RHP .256/.359/.487 VS LHP .227/.350/.422 Yoshida VS RHP .300/.351/.459 VS LHP .239/.318/.351 Wilyer Abreu VS RHP .277/.347/.495 VS LHP .183/.247/.268 Jarren Duran VS RHP .280/.335/.496 VS LHP .245/.299/.333 Rafael Devers VS RHP .286/.356/.554 VS LHP .265/.321/.419 The only two OPS+ above100 right handed hitter are Tyler Oneal and Connor Wong.Tyler Oneal is FA and Wong had a career high OPS last year. Jaun Soto VS RHP .293/.439/.561 VS LHP .268/.383/.475 BOS Big 4 prospect. Roman Anthony/ Marcelo Mayer/ Kyle Teel are left handed hitter.Only Kristian Campbell right handed. Where are you getting the Soto lefty numbers? Seeing on Fangraphs Soto slashed .278/.416/.550 vs them in 2024. 174 wRC+ vs lefties was 9th among qualified hitters - even better than Rob Refnsyder! I understand the lefty-heavy jitters but: 1. They can always trade some of these guys if it’s THAT much of an issue 2. 75% of pitchers are righty! Like if you have a lineup with Duran/Soto/Devers/Casas etc, the opposing manager isn’t going to be like, “Oh well that should be easy - I have Tim Hill (or “fill in lefty specialist”) ready to go in the 6th inning!” Absolute worst case you get a bunch of righty bats for your bench |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2024 9:07:10 GMT -5
ZiPS says 13/620 for Soto. That’s close enough to the $700 number that I kind of expect a structure with deferrals to take it over that. Maybe something like 13/45 with $100m deferred or 13/35 with $210 deferred depending on Soto’s preference If the Sox offer 620 then we're getting close to it costing the Yankees/Mets 1.5 billion to match
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Post by nomar on Nov 15, 2024 9:34:50 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2024 9:34:58 GMT -5
That guy is a faker
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Post by cdj on Nov 15, 2024 9:37:40 GMT -5
Blue checks don’t mean anything anymore because of Elmo so it’s easy for trolls to troll like this |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 15, 2024 9:37:59 GMT -5
ZiPS says 13/620 for Soto. That’s close enough to the $700 number that I kind of expect a structure with deferrals to take it over that. Maybe something like 13/45 with $100m deferred or 13/35 with $210 deferred depending on Soto’s preference If the Sox offer 620 then we're getting close to it costing the Yankees/Mets 1.5 billion to match
That is bananas if true. He could put up 70 WAR over the course of a contract and it would still work out to more than $20 million/WAR.
But... is it true? I could see the Yankees being marooned beyond the top tax rate at least as long as Cole and Rodon are on the books, through 2028, but after that it's just Judge. What makes it impossible for them to get under after that point? The Red Sox actually have more money committed from 2029-2031. And the Mets seem to have relatively clean books? It looks like they only have $52 million committed for 2028.
I don't ever really understand this stuff and maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like, yes, the Yankees or Mets would have to pay maybe a $150 million surcharge in the first few years of a Soto deal, but after that point they wouldn't be in worse shape than the Red Sox. (Though the Yankees are probably in a tougher spot because of their weak farm system.)
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2024 9:44:20 GMT -5
If the Sox offer 620 then we're getting close to it costing the Yankees/Mets 1.5 billion to match
That is bananas if true. He could put up 70 WAR over the course of a contract and it would still work out to more than $20 million/WAR.
But... is it true? I could see the Yankees being marooned beyond the top tax rate at least as long as Cole and Rodon are on the books, through 2028, but after that it's just Judge. What makes it impossible for them to get under after that point? The Red Sox actually have more money committed from 2029-2031. And the Mets seem to have relatively clean books? It looks like they only have $52 million committed for 2028.
I don't ever really understand this stuff and maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like, yes, the Yankees or Mets would have to pay maybe a $150 million surcharge in the first few years of a Soto deal, but after that point they wouldn't be in worse shape than the Red Sox. (Though the Yankees are probably in a tougher spot because of their weak farm system.)
There's also the uncertainty of the CBA since it's up in a few years. My completely baseless prediction is that they will make LT penalties stiffer as I can't imagine small market teams are looking at the Ohtani and soon to be Soto contracts very favorably. |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 15, 2024 10:03:28 GMT -5
He was impressed! There you have it. He's coming to Boston. This was kinda the pitch we’ve laid out in our discussions here - it’s great to know the front office is reading the forum I can’t say that I love that the sources for it being a “productive” meeting are either Boras about to head into pitches with the Yankees or Mets, and/or Red Sox people feeling themselves. Insofar as the guy with the 20 billion net worth has yet to meet with Soto, I’m trying not to get too emotional invested haha |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 15, 2024 10:22:09 GMT -5
Blue checks don’t mean anything anymore because of Elmo so it’s easy for trolls to troll like this He literally hasn't met with anyone else yet. No chance that's legit. EDIT: It's a parody account. See attachment.  |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 15, 2024 10:24:28 GMT -5
Only the FO knows how close/ serious they are. I just hope this dosnt tie up the whole offseason and you left scrambling I doubt the top of market moves much until Soto signs. Teoscar certainly isn’t moving until Soto has picked a team. Passan actually reported that Teoscar specifically wouldn't wait for Soto to sign.
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 15, 2024 10:29:55 GMT -5
I doubt the top of market moves much until Soto signs. Teoscar certainly isn’t moving until Soto has picked a team. Passan actually reported that Teoscar specifically wouldn't wait for Soto to sign. but its possible a team on the other side of a Teoscar deal might, if they see him as an optionB behind Soto |
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