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Post by patford on Nov 19, 2024 10:11:35 GMT -5
The point I'm making is I believe fans think the whole 70 million should count. It's a ten year 70 million dollar contract. MLB should count it as 70 million per year not 46 million per year. If some fans think it's only being counted as 2 million a year for ten years they are wrong but I doubt there are many people who aren't aware it's 46 million not 2 million. Those fans are still wrong. If you don't get your money annually it's not a ten year 70 million dollar contract. So by 2043 how much money will the Dodgers have paid to Ohtani?
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Post by 0ap0 on Nov 19, 2024 10:14:43 GMT -5
Those fans are still wrong. If you don't get your money annually it's not a ten year 70 million dollar contract. So by 2043 how much money will the Dodgers have paid to Ohtani?
An amount that's equivalent to the cost of paying him $46M a year for 10 years. For those still having trouble here: - If the Dodgers hand over $700M on day one of a ten-year contract and Ohtani invests it at (an MLB-assumed) 4.5% return, Ohtani ends up with $1.01B after ten years.
- If the Dodgers invest $700M at 4.5% interest for ten years, they have $1.01B from which they could pay Ohtani $700M at the end and pocket the difference. Ohtani gets less, the Dodgers get more, and this is a zero-sum game. The contract is worth $301M less to Ohtani and $301M more to the Dodgers. One contract is a much bigger contract than the other. it would be silly to insist on referring to both of these as "10-year $700M contracts".
- If the Dodgers invest $450M at 4.5% interest for ten years, they have $700M to hand over to Ohtani at the end. This is roughly what happened, and also not what we mean by "a 10-year $700M contract".
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Nov 19, 2024 10:15:18 GMT -5
I'd like to defer folding my laundry to 2043
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Post by patford on Nov 19, 2024 10:41:07 GMT -5
I'd like to defer folding my laundry to 2043 Yeah but how much will your clothes be worth in 2023 dollars by 2043?
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This guy is going to get me locked up for murder
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Post by curll on Nov 19, 2024 10:44:19 GMT -5
I'd like to defer folding my laundry to 2043 We need a new TOR (Tide, Oxi-Clean, Revive) guy in the clubhouse. The new uniforms don't come clean like the older, better unis. We can crowdfund a laundry folding robot, make Soto the spokesman, boom, billionaire. Edit: Translation of above tweet is Sox will make largest offer in franchise history to Soto.
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Post by sxfan on Nov 19, 2024 10:54:02 GMT -5
Pepen has been wrong so many times the past 2 years. He came out and said the Sox offered 300 million to Yamamoto. Passan came out a week later said all the reports of offers were not true. Hard to take his reports seriously.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 19, 2024 10:56:34 GMT -5
In fairness to that tweet in particular, they would have to offer Soto the largest contract in team history in order to have any shot of signing him. Something I am quite sure that they know by now. Doesn't mean they are getting Soto.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 19, 2024 11:00:17 GMT -5
Pepen was legitimately getting stuff from Devers before his extension IIRC but was spewing a lot of BS last offseason. That tweet doesn't sound like anything more than he was chatting with someone that worked in baseball who doesn't really have any inside info
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Post by badfishnbc on Nov 19, 2024 11:15:26 GMT -5
FWIW, ESPN Insider surveyed 18 league execs and insiders and none have the Red Sox signing Soto. Twelve of the 18 say Yankees, the logic being "Do you think George Steinbrenner would allow one of the best players in the world to leave?" Additionally, it seems just a very small amount of those queried (never more than 2) have the Sox as destinations for Burnes, Snell, Fried or Crochet.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 19, 2024 11:22:44 GMT -5
FWIW, ESPN Insider surveyed 18 league execs and insiders and none have the Red Sox signing Soto. Twelve of the 18 say Yankees, the logic being "Do you think George Steinbrenner would allow one of the best players in the world to leave?" Additionally, it seems just a very small amount of those queried (never more than 2) have the Sox as destinations for Burnes, Snell, Fried or Crochet. Throw that article in the trash. These are not your fathers yankees. And they have never been the George Steinbrener yankees in more than 10 years
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 19, 2024 11:22:44 GMT -5
FWIW, ESPN Insider surveyed 18 league execs and insiders and none have the Red Sox signing Soto. Twelve of the 18 say Yankees, the logic being "Do you think George Steinbrenner would allow one of the best players in the world to leave?" Additionally, it seems just a very small amount of those queried (never more than 2) have the Sox as destinations for Burnes, Snell, Fried or Crochet. Throw that article in the trash. These are not your fathers yankees. And they have never been the George Steinbrener yankees in more than 10 years
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 19, 2024 11:25:37 GMT -5
Also. Lol at them paywalling that dreck
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Nov 19, 2024 11:27:56 GMT -5
The Tanaka/McCann/Ellsbury/Beltran offseason was the last time I got triggered by a Yankees spending spree, and it didn't really work out too well for them then.
As for the Pepen tweet, I could have also tweeted that (in English).
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Post by asm18 on Nov 19, 2024 11:31:52 GMT -5
A live look of George Steinbrenner at the Winter Meetings seemingly still alive and offering Juan Soto $900 million dollars:
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Post by bjb406 on Nov 19, 2024 11:32:54 GMT -5
FWIW, ESPN Insider surveyed 18 league execs and insiders and none have the Red Sox signing Soto. Twelve of the 18 say Yankees, the logic being "Do you think George Steinbrenner would allow one of the best players in the world to leave?" Additionally, it seems just a very small amount of those queried (never more than 2) have the Sox as destinations for Burnes, Snell, Fried or Crochet. Throw that article in the trash. These are not your fathers yankees. And they have never been the George Steinbrener yankees in more than 10 years George Stienbrenner died 14 years ago.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 19, 2024 11:33:41 GMT -5
Throw that article in the trash. These are not your fathers yankees. And they have never been the George Steinbrener yankees in more than 10 years George Stienbrenner died 14 years ago. Case in point lol
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Nov 19, 2024 11:36:01 GMT -5
*Suzyn Waldman voice* Oh my goodness gracious! Of all the dramatic things I've ever seen, George Steinbrenner is in Hal Steinbrenner's box!
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 19, 2024 11:42:38 GMT -5
Those fans are still wrong. If you don't get your money annually it's not a ten year 70 million dollar contract. So by 2043 how much money will the Dodgers have paid to Ohtani? 2043 is 20 years from when he signed, not 10.
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Post by nomar on Nov 19, 2024 11:47:27 GMT -5
This is going to be one slow week. Cant believe it’s only Tuesday morning
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 19, 2024 12:02:19 GMT -5
This guy is going to get me locked up for murder Can anyone translate this please? Translation tool on the dumpster fire that is X is not working for me.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 19, 2024 12:04:14 GMT -5
This guy is going to get me locked up for murder Can anyone translate this please? Translation tool on the dumpster fire that is X is not working for me. “Good morning, my people! Happy Tuesday! All industry sources indicate that #RedSox will make the highest offer in the history of the franchise for Juan Soto. At the moment, they aim to be one of the three teams #MLB that will spend the most on free agents… We continue, Positive and OK.” Might as well be in French for how useful it is haha
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 19, 2024 12:07:32 GMT -5
Can anyone translate this please? Translation tool on the dumpster fire that is X is not working for me. “Good morning, my people! Happy Tuesday! All industry sources indicate that #RedSox will make the highest offer in the history of the franchise for Juan Soto. At the moment, they aim to be one of the three teams #MLB that will spend the most on free agents… We continue, Positive and OK.” Might as well be in French for how useful it is haha Pepen loves messing with our heads, doesn’t he?
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Post by itinerantherb on Nov 19, 2024 12:09:31 GMT -5
So by 2043 how much money will the Dodgers have paid to Ohtani? 2043 is 20 years from when he signed, not 10. Consider a more familiar example. Imagine that someone wins a $30,000,000 Powerball jackpot. The lottery commission will give the winner a choice between receiving a lump sum of around $14,000,000 or gradually increasing annuity payments totaling $30,000,000 that are doled out over 30 years, on the assumption that a $14,000,000 lump sum today has similar value to $30,000,000 in annuity payments. What's the "value" of those lottery winnings? What people are saying (and the premise of the luxury tax rule) is that the winnings are worth $14,000,000 because that's what they're worth today. Or consider damages awarded in legal claims, which are calculated in terms of present value. That means that a salary lost 20 years in the future (because of a tortious injury or death) will compensated in an (much lower) amount today that, if invested reasonably, would grow into that projected 2044 salary. It's the inverse of the lottery example. The point is that payments are made (and taxed) according to present value all the time.
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 19, 2024 12:20:40 GMT -5
FWIW, ESPN Insider surveyed 18 league execs and insiders and none have the Red Sox signing Soto. Twelve of the 18 say Yankees, the logic being "Do you think George Steinbrenner would allow one of the best players in the world to leave?" Additionally, it seems just a very small amount of those queried (never more than 2) have the Sox as destinations for Burnes, Snell, Fried or Crochet. Throw that article in the trash. These are not your fathers yankees. And they have never been the George Steinbrener yankees in more than 10 years The article suggests the Red Sox will offer Soto more money than they have ever offered anyone before. It does not say that it will be accepted. Could still be true and they end up getting out bid by all of the LAD, NYY, NYM edit: LAD, NYY, NYM, PHI
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