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Post by tjb21 on Jul 7, 2016 7:57:21 GMT -5
The good news of Wade joining Chicago is Miami will likely match the Nets' offer sheet given to Tyler Johnson -- which makes the Nets worse.
Anyone confirm if the Nets offer sheet to Crabbe was indeed accepted by him? I heard it wasn't true, but wanted to verify.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 6, 2016 12:49:33 GMT -5
There were a lot of players available at #16 better than Yabusele, even Danny would agree. He was trying to keep the roster as clean as possible, so they could sign 2 max deals and trade for another larger contract.
Anyone know why Davis fell so far in the draft? Injury?
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 5, 2016 9:59:54 GMT -5
Not sure I would make any type of realistic trade at this point.
They need to sign a huge FA next off-season and they have no idea who that will be at this point. I'd get that sorted out first, then see who's available via trade.
Just one way of going about it.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 5, 2016 8:37:44 GMT -5
I just realized that this likely means Westbrook is trade available. Ainge still has a shot to mess with the Thunder and I'd rather have Westbrook than Durant anyway. I appreciate your opinion, but you're on an island there. Good for KD, very smart decision going to the best situation for him. That team will make for incredible tv. I don't fault him at all for choosing where he wants to work.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 1, 2016 10:55:56 GMT -5
If Chicago trades Butler/Taj, they could be really bad.
Not sure it's happening at this point though.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 1, 2016 10:15:40 GMT -5
Lin's significantly better than their alternatives and on a really nice contract for this off-season. Ideally he's a backup PG on a good team, but I'm sure BKN is happy with his signing, especially with the International attraction he will bring.
I don't expect the Nets to be good or anywhere near, I just don't think they'll be the worst team in the league after FA ends.
I hope I'm very wrong.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 1, 2016 9:20:06 GMT -5
And so it begins with BKN. Probably still a bottom 7 team, but better than what people are thinking.
I actually really like that deal for them.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 1, 2016 7:36:39 GMT -5
Actually, they have agreed with both Jerebko and Johnson to push the decision date back from July 3rd to July 7th. Would suggest that picking them up is NOT a no-brainer (but also that letting them go probably depends on Boston landing or having confidence in landing some free agent targets) I disagree, I think those players did that because picking them up WAS a no brainer and by pushing their deadline back they got 2 things from it: 1. They get to control where they play next year 2. They get to make more money if they Celtics decline the options. If they didn't agree to push it back the Celtics pick them up and possibly trade them to a lousy team that needs to reach the cap floor. I read somewhere last night that even if Boston "waives" JJ/Amir, that their contracts will be claimed by another team. So the contract they signed last off-season will be what they play for this season. So it is a no-brainier that they will get their options picked up, it's just a matter of if they're still with Boston or on a different team, they'll get paid the same -- from what I read. Boston would likely be better off waiting until the end of FA to make a move, unless Horford/KD want to sign. Fun times in the NBA!
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 30, 2016 14:13:55 GMT -5
If Terrence Jones is willing to take a ballooned 1 year + 1 year team option deal with Boston, I think he's an interesting guy to bring in on that type of contract. The number would likely shock you for the 1 year though.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 30, 2016 10:59:18 GMT -5
What would I do? I'd go status quo this year and play the free agent game next year. This is not the year to take a gamble on a contract. If you can have Sully on a one year deal then fine. You need to spend some money to get to the floor anyways but I'm not signing that guy long term not a chance in hell if do that. Ok if that's your plan. Less than 1% chance I would say that Sully signs one year deal, so he's gone. Who do you replace him with and still keep your cap space for next year? Because I don't see many free agents doing one year deals this year, this is their time to cash in. Do you trade for a player like Monroe? You have to add at least one big if not two. Nope. Don't even consider it.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 30, 2016 10:42:43 GMT -5
What would I do? I'd go status quo this year and play the free agent game next year. This is not the year to take a gamble on a contract. If you can have Sully on a one year deal then fine. You need to spend some money to get to the floor anyways but I'm not signing that guy long term not a chance in hell if do that. I'm with you. Let the guys develop more, Smart (and to a lesser extent, Brown) need a ton of playing time and responsibility. I'm sure Boston will sign someone but I don't have a good indication of who it will be. Amir and JJ should get their options picked up in most scenarios too.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 29, 2016 14:04:48 GMT -5
I'm of the assumption Crabbe is getting around $13M/per.
I'd also take Marvin Williams over Amir Johnson. I like Marvin Williams and Harrison Barnes about the same. Both pretty good, benefit the team, allow you to space the floor and not get killed on the boards. He would be a valuable addition to the team, even at $15M.
The issue with positive additions like Marvin is: the longer term contracts they'll likely require. Boston isn't super unique in the ability to sign 2 max contracts, most teams will be able to as well under the new cap jump. But Boston would be able to add 2 max players to a really good roster of superb role players. That's likely the differentiating factor of them compared to others.
I could definitely see them going after Howard on a 1 year "max" deal. Not sure he would want that though.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 28, 2016 14:05:18 GMT -5
This team went from one of my favorites to watch, to unwatchable, really quickly.
Makes me sad.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 28, 2016 13:20:47 GMT -5
I'd sign Crabbe to replace Turner's roster spot and Marvin Williams to replace Amir, whose option I would pick up and trade. This would help us actually play a pace and space game. I'm not big on Whiteside. He sells out for blocks and gives up too many easy buckets because of it, and is one of the worst passes in the history of the sport. That's not even getting into his personality. They just drafted Brown to soak up a lot of those minutes. Plus have Rozier/Hunter/Young waiting to take any guard minutes available. I like Crabbe, but he doesn't seem like good signing with the roster Boston has right now. Williams could be a nice fit, WOJ guessed he would make around $14-15M per year. I'd rather have Whiteside trying to finish at the rim out of a pick and roll where he puts up 1.34 points per possession, than passing.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 28, 2016 9:35:14 GMT -5
I would offer Rozier, Young and the 2019 Clipper first round pick for Noel. That trade would help both teams balance their rosters. Not sure why Philly would consider this. What's your reasoning?
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 27, 2016 14:39:03 GMT -5
FWIW, I don't think teams will be worried about hitting the salary floor this year. There really isn't a penalty for not doing it, they just average out how much you're under and disperse that money between the players on the roster. So there's really no incentive (that I can think of) to sign players just to get up to the floor.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 27, 2016 9:42:06 GMT -5
I think BKN is in prime position to sign or absorb players on 1-2 year deals. It wouldn't hurt their rebuild at all.
Example: If the Spurs want to create salary space for a big signing and see Parker as the guy to move, the Nets would be a logical landing spot.
I think the Nets roster could look much different and better than it currently is. Which isn't saying much, it's really bad right now.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 24, 2016 13:57:51 GMT -5
But Thompson is a better player and was paid prior to the cap jumping, not after. So I'm not sure if that is a clean comparison.
Regardless, Sullinger was valuable, not sure if he is part of the future or not. Likely depends on final cost and other moves.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 24, 2016 13:40:32 GMT -5
I think it's a shoe in that both Johnson and Jerebkos options are picked up. If nothing else they are below market one year deals and with so much cap space you pick up the options and trade them. There is no chance you can't trade those contracts to a team that can absorb them without taking back a player. The values are way too good on one year deals. Even its just a future second you get back, it's worth exercising them. Good points here. Both will be underpaid for what the market standard will be. They still provide more value than what they're paid at this point. Seems like an easier decision. I wonder what the backcourt rotation will look like this year. Lots of young guys available for minutes.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 24, 2016 10:19:51 GMT -5
Let's go year by year on who he actually drafted and kept, since that's what my point has been.
2003: traded for better players he didn't draft 2004: very good draft 2005: solid 2006: traded for better players he didn't draft 2007: drafted a player to trade 2008: terrible 2009: they didn't have picks, so it's a nothing draft 2010: real good 2011: really bad 2012: average 2013: average 2014: Smart was the right player at the time and now, Young was a miss with obvious better players available 2015: too soon to be concrete but not impressive 2016: too soon to be concrete but really low marks from several sources
Like I've been saying, his trades are usually really good but I'm not counting those for drafting for other teams. Since he didn't make the pick, the other team(s) did. Should he get credit for that? I'm not so sure.
3 trades that turned out well, not his picks. 2 good drafts. 4 solid/average drafts. 2 below average drafts. 2 bad (or looking that way without enough time) drafts.
I don't think he's been good in the draft. He's clearly not the worst in the league, but it's a weakness of his. I bet he's about average during the draft, but his strengths of trading/cap gymnastics push him up towards the top of his profession.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 24, 2016 9:45:08 GMT -5
A couple things: I understand being upset with the draft and that's fine but you have to be a little more understanding than you are being. Saying things like "they could have traded down and still got Brown" is just flat out wrong and not based on reality. Brown was a guaranteed top 8 selection with the real possibility that he could have been selected at any time within that range. So even if you could trade down to whatever spot you were thinking, there is no guarantee he's there for you. But even more important is you need a team to trade with. Who in the top 8 is moving up to 3? And what are you getting from them that makes that move worth it for you? I don't love Brown but if the Celtics do then they made the absolute right move to take him at 3. Every other player in the top 8 comes with some big questions. I get the argument Dunn is the best of them all but he also plays the deepest position in the league right now and the deepest position on this roster. I wouldn't draft because of that but I'd use it if I had players close. Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/3318/2016-boston-celtics-offseason-thread#ixzz4CVZxC7OANow, this is why I'm ok with the Brown pick even though I don't love it right now. This team needs star players. You only draft this high so many times and right now we are relying on another team to get us these high picks. Brown has super star upside. I don't believe any of the other players in question have that true upside (I don't buy the Chriss stuff). At this spot you swing for the fences and that's what they did. I'm fine with that. Boston can be wrong, just like any other team, and they have chosen the wrong player before in the 1st round when it was fairly obvious at the time. It's more than ok to question it all 3 first round picks. Danny is a good (or better) GM, he crushes trades frequently, but hes' not a good drafter. I think it's his most glaring weakness. The good far outweighs the bad with him, but he hasn't been great in the draft.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 24, 2016 8:18:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty disappointed in Danny's team. They just can't draft well.
I didn't really expect a big trade to be made and Boston kept their ability to make moves/have flexibility, which I am happy about that. But their picks were terrible. Slow footed stash players? Why? They could have traded down and still got Brown too. It's confusing.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 23, 2016 15:07:25 GMT -5
Ok but who would want to sign there under the present conditions? A ton of players. They won't get a star, but if they overpay they can get some good players. For example I bet Sullinger would sign there for 15 million a year. Exactly. They'll overpay on 1-2 year deals this summer because it won't interfere with their rebuilding timeline. Example: asking for the Tony Parker's of the world to be shipped there with an asset attached.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 23, 2016 13:09:05 GMT -5
Good trade for Indy IMO.
Not sure what they're doing but they'll be more fun (and score) at least.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 23, 2016 12:48:28 GMT -5
Fun start to the game today. Hope everyone's having a great day!
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