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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 9, 2022 12:19:29 GMT -5
"He's a weird player" that along with his "ego" sums it up. He thinks he is better than he is, IMO. Like I said a month or so ago, he needs to have a ball dominant guard to play with so he stays focused on D and not so much on O. I seem to be coming back to my senses on him but I do love the D he brings along with RWill, he is the engine on that end. Isn't that what's happening when he plays with Schroder? Edit that to A really good ball dominant guard that can run an offense, push the pace and shoot well from 3.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 9, 2022 9:59:02 GMT -5
I'm just not sure Smart as the 6th man is the right roster/cap construction. So if you don't believe he's a fit as the starter, I think you need to move him. That being said, the idea of bringing someone in to be the backup but who has the upside of a starter (DD, for example, though you will have to pay him as an RFA) and is a better fit would allow you to push that decision into the offseason when you'd likely have more suitors for MS and not interrupt whatever momentum you have going right now. I don’t think the cap is an issue with him playing a similar sized role just starting from the bench. The roster construction may be an issue simply because of his ego tho. I’m certainly fine with trading him, that’s for sure. He’s a weird player, I’m not so sure his value isn’t highest in season while a team trying to contend sees what he brings and knows it’s their weakness. Whereas, in the offseason, teams look at players differently and I’m not so sure he’s the type of player who fetches a ton. Maybe I’m wrong tho. "He's a weird player" that along with his "ego" sums it up. He thinks he is better than he is, IMO. Like I said a month or so ago, he needs to have a ball dominant guard to play with so he stays focused on D and not so much on O. I seem to be coming back to my senses on him but I do love the D he brings along with RWill, he is the engine on that end.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 9, 2022 9:23:25 GMT -5
I thought Neal would have had a better chance of succeeding on D as it would be easier to learn and that is where the Pats put him 1st. Next thing you know he is a starting guard that had a very good career and was on 3 SB winning teams, that was surprising. I still remember the play when everyone on the field thought it was a dead ball except Neal who went over and recovered it smartly, funny how the wrestler turned football player was the one who knew it was still live.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 9, 2022 7:58:25 GMT -5
This team is sucking me back in and Marcus is once again making me think the C's should keep him. Have I lost my mind or does the core 4 look like they could be very good with one more better than average player in the mold of Horford but younger?
When the J's are focusing on D, along with RWill and MS, this is a good team. When they move the ball on O and minimize the iso play they are an even better team. One thing that stood out about last nights game was the ball movement in half court but also the quick shots at times also. Like it was a focus to spend less energy on the offensive end to get back and focus on intense D. I know the Nets had nobody playing last night but that is still a strategy that should work against better teams.
Should be an interesting couple days til the deadline.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 19:52:01 GMT -5
These Nets down 28-2 to start looks like varsity vs JVs.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 18:34:17 GMT -5
Is it too much to ask for Jerami Grant? It would have to include another team but imagine him with the core 4 playing D on a string, that is some length.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 13:42:47 GMT -5
Are you saying a good/great coach doesn't actually develop players or are you just being argumentative for the sake of your opinion? Because I remember many guys crediting him with there development and ability to make good money as UFAs when leaving the Pats. I'm saying the Patriots draft a lot of talent on the OL, it was never Dante turns crappy talent into good talent. Like I said he likely helps make our current line better, yet it's a very talented bunch of players. Five O linemen taken in the first 2 rounds over the last 20 years might support development of players over drafting high end talent. The Pats Olines have most often been made up of guys drafted in the 4,5,6 rounds. I will agree that it is a talented group right now and add that they should be better as a group, hopefully next yr they will be. I also think that Wynn might be better if he had Dante as a coach. The Pats will have one of the best RB tandems in the league next season so dominant play upfront will be very important for the O and Mac to compete. They need to be better than they were this season.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 12:09:14 GMT -5
I like this Ramos signing, another under the radar inexpensive move to build the farm system.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 11:58:42 GMT -5
The Patriots invest a ton of draft capital on the OL. At minimum they are always taking chances on lower picks. Where you miss Dante is making Wynn and Onwenu work, the stupid penalties, that type of crap. Dante wasn't a miracle worker, just a good coach. Are you saying a good/great coach doesn't actually develop players or are you just being argumentative for the sake of your opinion? Because I remember many guys crediting him with there development and ability to make good money as UFAs when leaving the Pats.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 10:09:20 GMT -5
I was going to bring up Onwenu being post Dante but figured someone would do so and I left that out. Just saying when you have an all time great coaching it improves your chances of developing good players out of nowhere.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 10:05:14 GMT -5
The last 3 starts in Portland give me hope that he did make some progress last yr. Some ridiculous numbers in a SSS, but it was against the highest level of competition for him. Not too long ago Rich Hill had a SSS breakout in the second half of 2015. Not saying we’re going to see the same outcome, but I think he’s shown enough to be a serviceable starter. Couldn’t he at least be a Brian Johnson type as long as his arm doesn’t fall off? Rich Hill has been throwing good innings for years now and he has great value, it is just a matter of how many innings you are going to get. If the Sox maintain the 4 inning piggyback role for him it could be ideal. I think they are going to use Wacha and Houck the same way and hope to get 120+ quality innings out of each of them.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 9:50:43 GMT -5
Herron is very weird, he didn't play well at RT, yet I thought he was rather good at LT filling in. I look at Cajuste as a rookie. Onwenu takes over at RT and I really don't worry about him either. Wynn and Onwenu didn't work and made both players look bad. You'd like to see Ted Karras back. Yet you need a OG. Wynns biggest issue after they put in Karras next to him was penalties and that can be fixed. He's getting healthier every year. I just don’t know what you do after next year. The thought of giving Wynn a big deal doesn't excite me. I'd love to get a future starter at OT, OG and OC in the draft, yet only so many picks. I'm more focused on OG and OC in this draft given our limited picks. You can find gems late every year at those positions. Agreed on the future of Wynn, I don't mind him playing for 10m next yr as he is league average at an important position. But I also don't want to see him on a big contract into the future unless he haves a better season this yr. I think Brown is going to resign with the Pats for reasonable money. It seems like finding those late gems in the draft happened more when Dante was the Oline coach.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 9:31:06 GMT -5
Can still remember that beauty of a curve he was throwing down at The Fort in a game saw on one of the MiLB fields several years back, along with a FB believe was in 91-2 range back then. The curve was unworldly, but how long, even with injuries added in can it take? Will it ever come together for this guy? My hopes started dimming before last year. It's been 6y now guys and even with the injuries added.. definite progress needs to be made. The last 3 starts in Portland give me hope that he did make some progress last yr. Some ridiculous numbers in a SSS, but it was against the highest level of competition for him.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 8:59:27 GMT -5
Multiple reports that Mil/Bos are discussing a Schroder/DiVincenzo deal. Smith hearing that Boston is killing the deal bc Bucks want GWill as well. IF true, that sounds like something is missing bc Schroder PLUS GWill for DD wouldn't appear to make sense. Obviously, salary would have to come back at a minimum but, value-wise, that seems off as well. Agreed, GWill on top of DS for DD can't be the best they can do. I would prefer the Troy Brown Jr and a 2nd for DS if it is a real option. Maybe DD straight up for DS.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 7, 2022 17:41:36 GMT -5
What about something different? What would it take to get Sabonis? And would the Pacers be willing to trade him, and would he be a fit? Since the Celts seem to be a bombs away from 3pt team, Sabonis could help with that. He would draw double teams in the paint, which would leave the 3pt shooters with wide open shots, as opposed to the hands-in-the-face, step back or side-step 3 pointers that some of them seem to think are good shots. The Pacers seem to be wanting to shed salary, and he has several more years left on his, would they be willing to do it and what would be the cost? Would DS, Romeo, and two 1st rounders get it? Or would they need a lot more? The Celts would need to make some other moves to get under the cap though. I could see Sabonis with the Js being a formidable offense to defend.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 6, 2022 19:41:55 GMT -5
Would it be wrong to take a "rumor" of Schroeder to the Bulls for Troy Brown Jr and a 2nd seriously. Is that was even a possibility I would do that everyday.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 3, 2022 8:07:59 GMT -5
My outlandish idea of the day is that I wish fans could form a coalition that stuck together to the extent that our voices were heard and felt by both the players and the owners. I despise greed and let's face it, the owners are greedy and the players are spoiled. What bothers me the most is that they aren't even sitting down to iron things out and come to an agreement, so they aren't even trying. Why? Posturing? I would love to be able to pressure them into at least working everyday to get it done. As a group fans sticking together and saying we will boycott all games and apparel purchases if you don't get this done by Spring training. It's all about money right. Yeah like I said, pipedream of the day. These owners live in a different world than the rest of us and show they really don't care about the fans.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 2, 2022 10:00:44 GMT -5
I don't think this will be the case. It might hurt him in the short run looking for another HC job right now with the controversy of the lawsuit but he will be admired even more by the players. The players have liked playing for him and respected him which has led to them buying in and giving their all. They will respect him even more now. That fact will not be lost on teams with smart ownership. He might have to take a DC job in the meantime and I would be happy to see him back in NE. Ross Might end up being forced to sell the Dolphins in my opinion and he should be. If gambling and the question of legitimate games is the biggest threat to sports then Ross offering him money to lose is about as bad as it gets and he should be kicked out of ownership. How do you think the players are going to react to their owner trying to pull this? Everyone knows that the Rooney Rule has led to many sham interviews so he is just calling that out. Not sure if there really is an answer to it as teams should be able to hire who they want and the rule is just a formality to try to make it look like teams are giving black coaches a chance. I think it does help a little when the coaches get a chance to interview and impress the GMs and owners which should lead to more chances down the road. Pretty sure I have read that about Flores as a matter of fact. It is at the least a sore spot that black players make up 70% of the league and there are so few black HCs but the answer to that problem isn't something that can be forced on owners. Sadly looking at it from above it is hard not to think of it as another sign that racism is still alive and well in the world. Did the players like playing for him as a head coach? He had a lot of assistant coach turnover and he made a lot of curious roster moves, cutting players after a season (see KVN for example). I’ll say keeping a team engaged after a 1-7 start and almost making the playoffs does say a lot, but I’m not so sure he’s this players coach. Many have come out supporting him but yes there was some who didn't. He is a tough coach I guess and not all like that.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 2, 2022 7:39:11 GMT -5
If the league forces Ross out and replaces him with black ownership Miami would become a juggernaut. Shaq, Lebron and MJ could form a group that would be allowed into the owners club and the players would flock to Miami beach. I bet the other owners know that and might resist but in todays environment they might not have a choice.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 2, 2022 7:30:48 GMT -5
Flores suing the NFL, Giants and Broncos over racism in the hiring process. Using texts from Bill Belichek as evidence his interview with NYG was a sham. Also claims that Miami owner offered him money to tank. And also claims that Dolphins tried to get him to tamper with "a prominent QB" under contract with another team. Many suspect it's Brady. So I guess he doesn’t want to work anymore I don't think this will be the case. It might hurt him in the short run looking for another HC job right now with the controversy of the lawsuit but he will be admired even more by the players. The players have liked playing for him and respected him which has led to them buying in and giving their all. They will respect him even more now. That fact will not be lost on teams with smart ownership. He might have to take a DC job in the meantime and I would be happy to see him back in NE. Ross Might end up being forced to sell the Dolphins in my opinion and he should be. If gambling and the question of legitimate games is the biggest threat to sports then Ross offering him money to lose is about as bad as it gets and he should be kicked out of ownership. How do you think the players are going to react to their owner trying to pull this? Everyone knows that the Rooney Rule has led to many sham interviews so he is just calling that out. Not sure if there really is an answer to it as teams should be able to hire who they want and the rule is just a formality to try to make it look like teams are giving black coaches a chance. I think it does help a little when the coaches get a chance to interview and impress the GMs and owners which should lead to more chances down the road. Pretty sure I have read that about Flores as a matter of fact. It is at the least a sore spot that black players make up 70% of the league and there are so few black HCs but the answer to that problem isn't something that can be forced on owners. Sadly looking at it from above it is hard not to think of it as another sign that racism is still alive and well in the world.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 1, 2022 7:20:57 GMT -5
Given the lack of offseason topic discussion because of the stoppage along with the abundance of talent in the infield I thought it could be a good topic to look at the possible future makeup of the Sox infield. I know these guys have a long way to go before reaching the majors but as usual I am optimistic that the likes of Mayer, Casas, Yorke, Dalbec and Jordan will get there. Making this an interesting topic is the presence of two guys, Xander and Raffy, who are great players who have warts and need to be signed to big contracts soon. So that is 7 guys for 4 positions over the next 3 years that have big ramifications on the makeup of the team and the salary cap situation. How does Chaim look at the future is a big part of it. Does he want to allocate 50 million towards the 2 star vets who aren't exactly good defensively? That is a big question along with where they could be moved to in the future. Dalbec is both a very good trade piece but also a very good cost controlled player with the versatility to play 2 positions along with DHing. A platoon of Dalbec and Casas seems to be the perfect scenario in the short run at least but those 2 for short money for a few years is also a very interesting possibility. Then you have Mayer, Yorke and Jordan coming up over the next 3 years. It looks like Mayer and Yorke will stick at SS and 2nd, is Jordan a good enough athlete to get some reps in the OF? Will Xander be playing LF at the same point in the future? So many options, given the optimism yes, for the Sox to consider. Sure it seems like these are decisions that won't really be happening too soon but the thoughts of the FO will be revealed in how they approach extending Raffy and Xander this coming year. Even given the promising trajectories that all the prospects are on, the expected number of players among Mayer/Casas/Yorke/Dalbec/Jordan who really impact the infield situation over the next few years is probably 3 or fewer. There will probably be at least one performance disappointment and one injury setback. Add that to the distinct possibility that one of Xander/Devers is not here in a few years, and the possibility of a prospect trade. So although you envision an infield/position glut, the odds are actually very long against it happening. In fact, I'd say the odds are better that by 2025/2026 at least one infield position will be manned by someone not among the names you mentioned, even if (or maybe especially if) someone moves to LF, say. What you are saying is exactly the backdrop of the thread. I am just trying to get a conversation going on what seems like the biggest strength in the Sox system. I figured since people would be interested in projecting what the infield would look like in the future, guess I was wrong.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 31, 2022 8:15:08 GMT -5
Given the lack of offseason topic discussion because of the stoppage along with the abundance of talent in the infield I thought it could be a good topic to look at the possible future makeup of the Sox infield. I know these guys have a long way to go before reaching the majors but as usual I am optimistic that the likes of Mayer, Casas, Yorke, Dalbec and Jordan will get there. Making this an interesting topic is the presence of two guys, Xander and Raffy, who are great players who have warts and need to be signed to big contracts soon. So that is 7 guys for 4 positions over the next 3 years that have big ramifications on the makeup of the team and the salary cap situation.
How does Chaim look at the future is a big part of it. Does he want to allocate 50 million towards the 2 star vets who aren't exactly good defensively? That is a big question along with where they could be moved to in the future. Dalbec is both a very good trade piece but also a very good cost controlled player with the versatility to play 2 positions along with DHing. A platoon of Dalbec and Casas seems to be the perfect scenario in the short run at least but those 2 for short money for a few years is also a very interesting possibility.
Then you have Mayer, Yorke and Jordan coming up over the next 3 years. It looks like Mayer and Yorke will stick at SS and 2nd, is Jordan a good enough athlete to get some reps in the OF? Will Xander be playing LF at the same point in the future?
So many options, given the optimism yes, for the Sox to consider. Sure it seems like these are decisions that won't really be happening too soon but the thoughts of the FO will be revealed in how they approach extending Raffy and Xander this coming year.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 30, 2022 15:01:14 GMT -5
I'm late to this discussion, but isn't the answer to this question Sox-Astros 4th game, 10/19/21, when Eovaldi seemed to have struck out the side, but Laz Diaz called what seemed to be strike three a ball, and the Red Sox fell apart and lost the game and the series? Laz Diaz has been mentioned in this thread, but I don't think this question was explicitly answered. And let's not forget the check-swing call to end the Giants-Dodgers series, though I guess an automatic strike zone wouldn't resolve that issue.
Anyway, if you follow the ump scorecard twitter account, you can see that missed calls play a pretty huge role in game outcomes on a regular basis. And they shouldn't.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 30, 2022 14:43:36 GMT -5
Some looks at a receiver I'm not familiar with That CB needs to go back and pickup his jock strap.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 30, 2022 12:52:53 GMT -5
Surprisingly there doesn't seem to be any interest in Flores for a HC job, if that is the case I would love to see him back in NE.
Along with Billy O as the OC after Josh heads to Vegas.
I think some old voices that will be new could be a good thing for the Pats. And I would really like to see a more aggressive D with Flores at the helm. They have to come up with something to slow Allen down.
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