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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 30, 2022 8:05:10 GMT -5
I seriously do not understand this line of thinking. I'm out singling shagworthy out intentionally as my point is that I'm stunned at how often I'm seeing this. Bringing back the tennis example, does anyone here think going to a computer to call the lines has harmed the sport of tennis or its "aesthetic value?" How about soccer and the goal line? How does "there is a human who makes this quantitative call and he might screw it up!" add to the game? Conversely, what baseball fan, when asked what they love most about baseball, answers "there are fallible human umpires calling balls and strikes?" I get being worried about how it'll functionally work, or if there'll unintended consequences, or some other on-field concern, but I do not understand the "aesthetics" argument at all. There's still going to be an ump there. He's going to tell you what the call is. He's just going to be right more often (because they're not going to implement it until he is). I'm baffled by this line of argument and how many people are thinking that way. Like when is the last time anyone other than other umpires (speaking from experience) thought about the umpires at any time other than when they screwed up? Why don’t we just employ robotics to play the game then? I am sorry you are baffled Chris, but it doesn’t change my perspective on the game. Part of the allure of baseball at least to me is the conflict of imperfection. I once had a College umpire call “foul side of the chalk” on a double that I hit down the line that hit the actual chalk. Sure, I could have had the double and been happy with it, but instead I got something more memorable than the actual hit. While I may be a software developer I still enjoy some of the more human aspects of life. I would suggest you get out from behind your algorithms and experience what it is like to be a human. The pursuit of quantifying what we see on the field in various stats actually in my opinion is a disservice to the entertainment value of the game. I wonder if Armando Galarraga feels the same way about the perfect game Jim Joyce stole from him by incorrectly calling Jason Donald safe at first on what should have been the 27th out of the game. Or when the Astros lost a no hitter this past season after Angel Hernandez blew the call that should have been strike 3 and ended the game. The Jim Joyce scenario still haunts him to this day. So as I said before the robo ump will make it easier on everybody. No more mistakes that negatively affects the game for pitchers, hitters and the umps. You are entitled to your opinion obviously but making unreasonable comments like having robots play the game is not reasonable and only does a disservice to the conversation. And telling someone to go out and experience what it is like to be a human is even worse. It's baseball not life.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 30, 2022 7:39:53 GMT -5
It's basically two fold in my book. First what you can get, second open up playing time for Langford, Pritchard and Nesmith. Nevermind depending by what you do, likely opening up money. Give you the ability to use our trade expectations, mid-level, etc. Schroder should get you minimum a 2nd round pick, maybe a couple of them. Best case you get a young player with upside. Richardson is slightly different with an extra year, he's not just a rental. Again worst case a 2nd round pick, best case again a good young player that's basically upside. Horford is a little harder to peg, depends what you want to do. If you just dump him for expiring contracts, you won't get much. So many options, like to Minny for Beasley and Prince. You can come up with a bunch it just depends what you want to do. Smart likely gets you a return that most people won't expect. He's not the right fit for our team, yet is perfect for many other teams. You get an idea with the Huerter and Reddish trade talk. That's real value. This is a retool, not a rebuild. I've listed my main targets, young guys like Grimes, Zeke, Jalen Johnson, Edwards, Green, RJ Hampton, etc. With Grimes, Edwards and Zeke being my top targets right now. Yet for this year the biggest benefit is having Pritchard, Nesmith and Langford playing big minutes the rest of the year. Plus Frankly getting a better draft pick. Now if you can get a Monte Morris, that's a rather big move. For me it all starts with Smart, then Horford, then Schroder/Richardson. The good news is Brad as already made six trades and he's working overtime right now. I think just about everything is on the table and that's a good thing. Agree with all of this and will add that Brad probably could have made some moves already but they have most likely been low balls so waiting makes sense. I would like Smart a lot more if he concentrated on getting guys shots like he did last night. Great D that brings the toughness and attitude that will also focus on creating for others would be great if he would only embrace it. Not holding my breathe.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 29, 2022 19:43:15 GMT -5
Seems to be some questions about Tom and if the news guys jumped the gun.
edit. ok so it is going to happen but TB hasn't announced it nor told the Bucs.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 29, 2022 13:39:40 GMT -5
You all might think I am smoking something but still I think Smart, Richardson, Schroeder and maybe even Al can all bring back some players or picks that could have value. The C's should be able to get some young guys not in a teams rotation or a late 1st, 2nd, as sarasoxer said. There are a lot of teams that should be in buying mode.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 28, 2022 7:31:51 GMT -5
The thing with Curt Schilling is he should have been in like 7-8 years ago. Yet his failed video game business seemed to impact him back then. Even when his company produced a rather solid video game that just got a remastered version a decade later. In typical Schilling fashion he certainly handled things poorly, yet it should never have gotten to that point. Something went haywire in Schill's brain after that business failure. He was always opinionated and outspoken but not in a nasty way. He just spiraled down a tunnel of bitterness. It's too bad. I don't think he was a slam dunk HOF'er even before his descent into madness but I think he clearly would have gotten in, probably this year if he could have restrained himself. But he can't. Pity his poor wife. Yes you are correct IMO. His numbers add up to a great career but 0 Cy Young awards, only 4 seasons in top voting for the CY and 6 all star games over a 20 yr career doesn't scream obvious HOFer to me. I mean really how many seasons was even the best pitcher on his own team? If the players vote him in that is fine with me regardless of how big a jerk he is but if they don't that is fine with me also. The same for Bonds and Clemens, they are both very unlikeable people but that shouldn't be the factor to keep them out in my mind. Fact is both these guys had HOF careers before they even started using the PEDs, my guess is the players will vote them in.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 28, 2022 7:08:47 GMT -5
So in 2003 I was sitting at my fantasy league annual auction day, it was almost over and guys were just filling out their rosters with who was left. I was all done and my friend was sitting there with one last player to pick, I told him he should take a flyer on this guy named Ortiz. Well he did and then he goes on to win the league in 2 out if the next 3 years, it was about 1000 bucks each yr. Yeah I still remind him of that, he stole Ortiz for a buck.
Not only was Ortiz a great player but he was fun to watch also. He had personality and a flare for the dramatic. "This is my city" is an unforgettable moment, maybe his best, from a guy who gave us many. I think it was all those moments that led to him being in on his first ballot, which for a DH is incredible. We were lucky to have him in Boston. Thanks for the memories Big Papi.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 28, 2022 6:44:12 GMT -5
He is coming to Boston. He is coming to Boston. He is coming to Boston.
Just doing my part with mental telepathy.
In all seriousness in regards to a contract to beat out other teams. Throw incentives in that pay him if he is really good and even more if he is great. He has been so successful thus far in his career I would think he would want to bet on himself to earn it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 28, 2022 6:26:04 GMT -5
Yes, definitely. Calls behind the plate can and do have a big impact on the outcome. The elephant in the room is that these zones seldom resemble the ideal zone, so even a consistent zone has more than that number of incorrect calls. Players will eventually learn an incorrect but consistent zone, but only after both sides are burned by a number of bad calls. And, even once they do, it can change players' approaches at the plate. As far as I know, there are no downsides to robo umps besides tradition and aesthetics, which pale in comparison to the advantages: more offense and balls in play (consistent zone should help, and it allows a shift to better offensive catchers), faster pace, less frustration for everyone, fewer arguments on the field, and player skill has more of an impact on the game's result. Respectfully disagree. The biggest downside is going to be when the robo ump makes an obvious mistake due to some kind of glitch. They're not going to be infallible. So what happens then? Replay? Human ump overruling the robot in real time? Let's say that the robots are 99% accurate, as one poster estimated; that's still an average of 1-2 missed calls per game after the radical change to the game, instead of 5.5 inconsistent pitches by human umps. To me it's just not worth the trouble or the assault on aesthetics and tradition. OK so if you are right about the 99% thing, which isn't a given, then how bad would the wrong call be? I am going to assume that a bad call by a computer wouldn't be off by much more than an inch, especially when they have had time to work out the kinks. An inch is not enough to throw a batter or a pitcher off into a mental frenzy that affects the next pitch or pitches as the ump has now gotten into his head. That is the other part of this, bad calls by umps especially if based on an ego thing because the player ticked him off, then that has an even larger negative affect on a game as the player is put on tilt. If it is a computer calling the zone then it would eliminate all the times players get their heads all messed up because an ump is screwing with him, intentional or not. Heck the fact of the matter is it would also take the pressure off the umps and make their jobs easier as I have to imagine it can be stressful when they know they got a call wrong. No more beefing with players over pitch calls makes life easier on all involved. Sure it was fun to watch the old Earl Weaver blowups but avoiding most of them is probably better for the game.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 27, 2022 9:49:09 GMT -5
Number of rings in 21st century: BOS - 4 SF - 3 STL - 2 ARI - 1 LAA - 1 MIA - 1 CHW - 1 PHI - 1 MFY - 1 KC - 1 CHC - 1 HOU - 1* WAS - 1 LAD - 1* ATL - 1 Still a ton of parity - 15 different teams in 21 seasons. Nice to be on top, though... THIS !!! I will second that, THISS!!! But I will add that the AL East having 3 of the top 5 since 2010 is a pretty impressive stat. And considering TBay is #4 with a small market budget while playing in that division against the big money bullies makes me excited for the Sox future with Chaim. Just take a look at our top prospects and all I can say is wow things look great and all they had to do is have one bad shortened covid season before rebounding. Now go get Seiya.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 27, 2022 9:24:32 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind in regards to salaries and some high cap numbers attached to last offseasons FA signings is the new TV deal. Based on that deal alone the cap is expected to rise by 25 million every year for a while moving forward. So salaries everywhere will be rising and the Pats can also move some of this years cap hits off to 2023 and beyond with some restructuring and extensions. Not that I want to sign JC for 18-20m aav but that might not be so bad a few years down the road. BBs defense is predicated on CBs that can play man and without JC they take a big hit in that area. www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-free-agency-rankings-cornerbacksNot a lot on the market besides JC. I hated the defenses when they didn't have a good Man coverage CB. Easy Franchise Tag decision to me, then I hope they figure out an extension that pushes the bigger cap years forward. Some good options for a #2 in FA. Mills is actually a really important piece right now as "competent in a few places and signed long-term," meaning they aren't constrained to one role in how they improve the DB. Didn't expect to like that deal as much as I now do. I'm going to jump on your comment about the D without having a good man coverage CB thought and I am going to take it one step further. All these yrs of watching bend don't break Ds has been frustrating at times, sure it has been successful but frustrating also. The one exception to me is when they had Flores as the DC, my memory is that they were more aggressive and it paid off. Flores leaves and now we are back to bend don't break. I am sure the players they had matters but my point is they did get a lot more aggressive for a couple yrs. That is what I think the Pats need to do to combat Josh Allen in the future, I was hoping to see it in the playoff game this yr but it wasn't there. Teams learned to do that to Lamar Jackson this season and it worked so every team played him that way. I know Allen is more dangerous throwing than Jackson is but I still think that is how they need to attack Allen. Press the receivers, attack with 5 with contain in mind and force him into making a mistake a couple times a game. Obviously they need good man CBs to make this work but I think they need to go in this direction personnel wise. Heck doing what they did failed for two games in a row so why not throw the kitchen sink at him.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 27, 2022 8:13:39 GMT -5
Makes sense. No giving up a draft pick. This has been a blg part of my optimism along with a slew of other factors. It just seems like this is the kind of deal the Sox will be willing to be the highest bidder to acquire a very good "prospect" without it costing anything other than money. And from the projections on what the cost will be it seems like he could easily outproduce his contract. And if he doesn't come over and be a 4+ war player it isn't as if 12 million/yr is going kill the Sox budget.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 27, 2022 7:28:25 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind in regards to salaries and some high cap numbers attached to last offseasons FA signings is the new TV deal. Based on that deal alone the cap is expected to rise by 25 million every year for a while moving forward. So salaries everywhere will be rising and the Pats can also move some of this years cap hits off to 2023 and beyond with some restructuring and extensions.
Not that I want to sign JC for 18-20m aav but that might not be so bad a few years down the road. BBs defense is predicated on CBs that can play man and without JC they take a big hit in that area.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 27, 2022 6:41:33 GMT -5
These data directly from umpscorecards.com from a total of 2462 games tracked in 2021: % Consistency
| No. of games
| % of total games
| 100 | 147 | 6 | 99+ | 287 | 12 | 98+ | 621 | 25 | 97+ | 1019 | 41 | 96.4 | half | median |
As every single pitcher, hitter, and manager has ever said when asked about an umpire's strike zone, "As long as it's consistent, I'm fine with it." Well, good news then: in the median game called in 2021, the umpire was 96.4% consistent, which means that about half a dozen pitches were inconsistent over nine innings of both teams batting. In a quarter of games the umps were 98% or better with consistency.
What are we really talking about here? Is it so important to "get the calls right" that we look at 96.4% and say "we need radical change"? No thanks. This is a non-problem. The real problem is that stupid little box on TV -- that's what's making people crazy.
Get rid of the stupid little box and move on with the knowledge that the umps are calling it good enough for the players and coaches about 96.4% of the time.
Interesting data, but again, I'd want to see this data for the pitches that are within a couple inches of the strike zone, not all pitches. If there are like 150-170 called pitches in a given game I admittedly have no idea how many are in the "shadow" of the strike zone, as Baseball Savant puts it. Every ump is going to get pitches in the heart of the plate or waste pitches correct. Missing, say, 6 out of 30 pitches that are close is way different than missing 6 out of 80, right? This article is interesting: www.bu.edu/articles/2019/mlb-umpires-strike-zone-accuracy/It's obviously making an argument, and lies, damn lies, and statistics, etc., but the two-strike bias thing is very interesting, as are the points about calls getting better over time. No surprise about the good and bad umps save for Angel Hernandez having a decent season. I don't know how anyone who reads that article doesn't agree with fixing the problem. Bad calls affect too many games and if it can be fixed then you fix it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 26, 2022 8:40:02 GMT -5
LOL at the lack of interest in a 53 point win.
Maybe Smarts pep talk before his 1st game back had some effect. Then again maybe it is your stars having good shooting nights.
I'm with umass, they should still be in sell mode. But maybe some time away gave Smart a chance to watch and see what this team needs and what his role should be. Defense and distribute, not looking for his own shot. I still want to see the pace increased consistently, push the ball on missed shots.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 26, 2022 7:41:57 GMT -5
I have refrained from commenting on the draft so far as I know from experience that guessing what BB is going to do is impossible.
That being said I think they go defense with rd 1, either CB, edge or LB. Then Metchie or another WR in the 2nd. Back to D in the 3rd with the position that wasn't taken in the 1st. I have to wonder about the CB position as BB has had so much success getting them later and even as UFA in the past. So maybe that points to edge, LB in the first. The thing about WR is with such a deep class someone will be there in the 2nd.
I think with Mac and Metchie playing together at Bama and with BBs history of drafting Bama guys it looks like a good chance. If Metchie isn't a great fit then maybe Mac has thoughts on that also. And Metchie being injured in a deep WR class they will get lucky and he will fall to them after he was previously considered a 1st rd pick. As they did with Barmore, maybe they will need to move up but maybe not. Given the depth of the position in the draft there is a chance that teams will gamble on getting one a little later than the 1st and their won't be a run on them til the late 1st early 2nd and even into the 3rd. Just when the run on the position starts will be something for the Pats to keep an eye on.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 25, 2022 7:56:02 GMT -5
This is good news IMO as it helps in his dedication to the game and his career focus but for many lean athletes filling out during this time is normal. These are the years most grow from being boys into men. It is a big deal in contact sports as professionals to compete against men when still a teenager, pretty sure the NFL has some rules that are in place for this reason.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 25, 2022 5:06:50 GMT -5
This "human element" means exactly zero to me. I remember as a kid watching John McEnroe abuse officials and thinking there has to be a better way to do this. Now there is and I doubt anyone misses officials making line calls in tennis and players cannot yell at a machine. Who goes to a baseball game in person or tunes in on TV to see an umpire? If you can eliminate 10 bad calls a night why not? And if the case can be made that it chops a few minutes a night off the length of games, which it might, I am so in. Exactly!! Since when is "human element" more important than getting a call right. Umpires are not part of the game experience for me. Like the old saying "seen not heard" applies as far as I am concerned. If you come away from a game thinking about the refereeing then it is about 100% you are thinking they had too much of an impact on the game and your team lost because of it. Someone just mentioned how little it happens and sights a game back in the 90's. I disagree and all we have to do is go back and look at the game day threads here to see how often people felt that the umps sucked calling a game. Why should their even be a discussion about how big or small the strike zone is on a given night. What could possibly be bad about a consistent strike zone for both hitters and pitchers, not to mention the head games that go on for those who are in the middle of it. A specific umpires strike zone on any given night should not have any impact on who wins the game and although rare it does happen.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 25, 2022 4:37:52 GMT -5
Some glaring examples of prevent defenses preventing a team from winning, then TBay lets Kupp get over the top for the game winning play LOL, how does that happen. And these are the best teams left standing?? Might explain why the Pats won so much. It is also a reminder of how many bad plays and stupid decisions Atlanta had to make for the Pats to come back and beat them in the SB. I guess maybe there is something to be said about the pressure of the moment for so many blunders to occur.
I can't imagine how bad McDermott must feel for losing that game, he totally blew it and can't hide from it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 24, 2022 9:01:40 GMT -5
Sure it isn't easy to be 100% accurate all the time and I get that but all those calls in that video were from just last yr. That is a lot of bad calls in one season and I am sure there were many more. And to compare seeing something correctly vs doing something correctly like making a free throw is not a very comparable analogy. How many times have you seen a pitch right down the middle called a ball?? It doesn't happen often but it happens. And you are right, baseball is fixing it for a reason and part of that reason is the umps are wrong too often and they can be bias. A pitch right down the middle called a ball would be an error in concentration by the umpire, and they typically occur in situations where the catcher is setup far outside or far inside and the pitcher misses his spot badly. Last year there were 709,842 pitches thrown during the regular season, so those highlights (lowlights) represent less than .01% of pitches. Based on various studies (which are inconsistent with how they represent their data), umpires get the call correct about 96% of the time. This is far worse than a computer, but for a human being it is quite impressive. Once computers take over, it will be far more consistent and accurate, but we're still going to find something to complain about. 96% of the time is very good and I know it isn't easy. I do have to say though that the whole "where the catcher sets up thing" baffles me a little, I get it but it shouldn't matter as much as it does. I think what really bothers me the most is when the umps make it personal and guys get squeezed, then it is just about their egos. Which I think has needed to be reigned in for a long time. At the end of the day I am just glad it is happening for both pitchers and hitters, it should lead to more consistency.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 23, 2022 18:10:36 GMT -5
I mean really what are you concerned with.... a pitcher being able to throw a pitch 1 inch closer to a real strike or not. The blame for this is squarely on the umps shoulders for not being good at their job and at times not being objective. A pitcher or a hitter should not have to worry about hurting an umps feelings and having it come back to haunt them. I personally hate umps with big egos and this is a high and tight fastball directed right at them. I agree with you that ego has no place in umpiring (or being a referee in any sport) but for some reason it has been allowed in baseball. Perhaps a baseball historian out there can provide some context for why it was allowed or if there was a time period in which umpires with egos began (was it an issue in the 19th century?). But it's unfair to say that umpires are 'not good at their jobs'. That's like saying a 90% free throw shooter is bad at his job because he doesn't make the free throws 100% of the time. It's impossible to pinpoint a baseball travelling 100 mph across an invisible 2 dimensional plane with perfect precision and consistency, especially when the catcher, pitcher and hitter are trying to trick you whenever possible. The issue with baseball, to a greater degree than other sports, is that the technology used and displayed to the viewer at home allows the fans to 'know' if the umpire was correct or in error. Prior to recent technology, the fan's determination of strike-or-ball was left to complaining on each pitch in favor of your team (has anyone ever watched a game in person and felt they could consistently tell balls and strikes?). We have seen changes in other sports (primarily replay, but also goal line cams and some laser tracking technology) but the issue isn't 'getting it right', it's being culpable to the viewers. When the fans consistently are better and determining the call than the umpire referee (due to technology displayed on TV) it's a problem and MLB is fixing it. Sure it isn't easy to be 100% accurate all the time and I get that but all those calls in that video were from just last yr. That is a lot of bad calls in one season and I am sure there were many more. And to compare seeing something correctly vs doing something correctly like making a free throw is not a very comparable analogy. How many times have you seen a pitch right down the middle called a ball?? It doesn't happen often but it happens. And you are right, baseball is fixing it for a reason and part of that reason is the umps are wrong too often and they can be bias.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 23, 2022 13:29:49 GMT -5
I mean really what are you concerned with.... a pitcher being able to throw a pitch 1 inch closer to a real strike or not. The blame for this is squarely on the umps shoulders for not being good at their job and at times not being objective. A pitcher or a hitter should not have to worry about hurting an umps feelings and having it come back to haunt them. I personally hate umps with big egos and this is a high and tight fastball directed right at them.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 23, 2022 13:05:09 GMT -5
Most playoff wins all time: Patriots: 37 Packers: 36 Steelers: 36 Tom Brady: 35 Cowboys: 35 49ers: 33 That is a good one. I also like the two Hall of Fame careers one. How many players in all of sports can you say that about? I can't think of anyone really.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 22, 2022 5:34:43 GMT -5
The Duran Duran thread is aptly named, a tale of two stories. One in which he was the most anticipated prospect call up last season and now he has become the big "what do we do with him" question.
As has been discussed last season was not a good one for rookies making their debuts as most struggled mightily. Obviously a year off due to covid was the likely reason rather than it was a bad crop. So given that I think he deserves a little patience before be thrown on the scrap heap of failed prospects. And no I don't think that is what people are saying, just a little hyperbole on my part.
I do think though that he showed that he might be better off on a team that can afford to run him out there every day so he can get the time he needs to develop. That is a bit harder to do in Boston with the pressure and expectations of winning now. All we have to do is look at Dalbec as an example of that last yr when the Sox were suddenly in position to contend and he was a weak link. And that is after he had already had success the previous Sept. I know I have said this before but IMO a trade to Oakland along with some other pieces for one of their guys on the block might be best for both Duran and the Sox. I just don't see him getting the chance to play a lot in Boston if he needs extensive playing time to develop while every game matters to the team.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 21, 2022 7:02:36 GMT -5
Also, I don't think it'd be crazy for a projection system to look at his IP the last four years (158, 147.1, 0, 42.2) and think he might not make 100 innings. It appears to have done similar with Paxton (160.1, 150, 20.1, 1.1). When doing fantasy league and creating my own projection system I used to weigh the last 3 seasons. Last season would be 3/6, the season before 2/6 and the season before that 1/6. It's a great way to account for missed time regardless of the reason why. Most projection systems are not designed to project breakout systems, it's simply not how they are designed. I used to create a column to account for that but it was limited to. I noticed two simple things to predict breakthrough's, players that had a OBP .70 points higher than their batting average were more likely to have break through seasons and the ones that had the widest delta between doubles and Hr's with the most extra base hits were likely to breakout two. Fairly simply but the system was amazing at picking breakout players. It was far better than any of the FBB magazines where people were paid for their crappy information. I have been in a fantasy league with college friends for 30+ years and have done pretty well for the most part. I like your system for valuating and projecting, especially the OBP over BA. It seems to me that posting about fantasy league stuff here doesn't get much attention, actually seems like it is frowned upon. Which amazes me as the idea of being interested in sabermetrics, stats and players all seem to be highly correlated. Wondering if starting a thread on the subject of fantasy leagues and strategy would be something that would create a lot of interest here. My thoughts are that it would be very interesting and active, any thoughts? edit: For example I made some trades last yr based on FIP and it didn't turn out well.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 20, 2022 11:41:14 GMT -5
My two cents, it is a move in the right direction. Umps have proven to be too human in their inability to stay objective and make the right calls consistently, bravo.
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