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2013 Arizona Fall League/Winter Leagues
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 3, 2013 14:50:05 GMT -5
Sox minor leaguers play for Surprise. Thanks and my mistake
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Nov 3, 2013 15:09:14 GMT -5
I second Oregon Norm's motion. And I third Norm's motion. Cecchini 's bat is suited to Fenway with his inside out swing. I expect that he will show power.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 3, 2013 15:33:47 GMT -5
I'm not a real believer in the idea that any player compares closely to any other. In this case, while the numbers in the minors aren't too far apart, the years are. Carpenter's buzz really only started in the last two years. The guy is already 27 so those numbers reflected a player who was quite age-advanced for the leagues he played in. He's the product of a farm system which likes to highlight the fact that it shoehorn's players into doing it their "way". Getting that down can take a while, apparently. By contrast, Cecchini won't be 23 till next season, and he'll already be in AAA. Like a few others on the board, I think he has a better than even chance of developing some power, perhaps enough to hit 20 home runs or so in an average year, maybe a bit more at his peak. They aren't built the same, either. Not that it means all that much. Ryan Sweeney looked like he should be able to hit the ball a mile, but the bat came across like David Eckstein's: Am I the only one who does think they look like they're built similarly looking at these photos at the proper size?
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Post by jmei on Nov 3, 2013 15:54:05 GMT -5
Agree with Chris. Carpenter is listed at 6'3", 215. Cecchini is, coincidentally, also listed at 6'3", 215. I don't much like player comps either, but size/build is not a great reason to hate on the Cecchini/Carpenter comp.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 3, 2013 20:23:01 GMT -5
I'm not a real believer in the idea that any player compares closely to any other. In this case, while the numbers in the minors aren't too far apart, the years are. Carpenter's buzz really only started in the last two years. The guy is already 27 so those numbers reflected a player who was quite age-advanced for the leagues he played in. He's the product of a farm system which likes to highlight the fact that it shoehorn's players into doing it their "way". Getting that down can take a while, apparently. By contrast, Cecchini won't be 23 till next season, and he'll already be in AAA. Like a few others on the board, I think he has a better than even chance of developing some power, perhaps enough to hit 20 home runs or so in an average year, maybe a bit more at his peak. They aren't built the same, either. Not that it means all that much. Ryan Sweeney looked like he should be able to hit the ball a mile, but the bat came across like David Eckstein's: Am I the only one who does think they look like they're built similarly looking at these photos at the proper size? You may be. Size, as we all know is important. . But with Garin's eye protection it's hard to know how much he looks like Carpenter. I'd like to see him turn into the modern version of Wade Boggs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2013 21:01:05 GMT -5
You'd like him to turn into the greatest hitter of his generation and a Hall of Famer? I think I'll pass more home runs please...
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Post by mjammz on Nov 3, 2013 21:29:09 GMT -5
Trust me, I did not make the Cecchini/Carpenter comp based off the the measurements, to be honest I didn't even look them up. I just made a comparison of a player Cecchini could become in the major leagues. I'm not saying they are identical, but they way they take their at bats, not great power, but can hit it out of park, spray balls to all field, high OBP, high baseball IQ, both sons of a coach. The comp. is decent in my opinion at least.
I still haven't found one someone else has made that I like better at least.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 3, 2013 21:31:58 GMT -5
didn't the player pages here used to have a player comp?
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Post by mainesox on Nov 3, 2013 23:32:57 GMT -5
I don't know that you could call it a comp because too many parts of their game are dissimilar, but the guy I like to point to for a successful major leaguer with a similar profile at the plate to Cecchini is Billy Butler: high average, good walk rate and K rate, and moderate home run power (aside from last year when he went bananas) with a bunch of doubles. Cecchini is a better defender at a tougher position, and a better base runner, but strictly talking about what they do at the plate I think it could be similar, and that line from a guy with passable 3B defense, and decent base running skills is easily an above average regular, and maybe an occasional All-Star.
Or am I wrong in thinking he could put up similar numbers to Butler (aside from his 2012)?
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Post by jmei on Nov 3, 2013 23:57:56 GMT -5
didn't the player pages here used to have a player comp? Yes, and I believe they were removed because they were too hard to make accurately and people took them too seriously.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 4, 2013 6:22:30 GMT -5
I don't know that you could call it a comp because too many parts of their game are dissimilar, but the guy I like to point to for a successful major leaguer with a similar profile at the plate to Cecchini is Billy Butler: high average, good walk rate and K rate, and moderate home run power (aside from last year when he went bananas) with a bunch of doubles. Cecchini is a better defender at a tougher position, and a better base runner, but strictly talking about what they do at the plate I think it could be similar, and that line from a guy with passable 3B defense, and decent base running skills is easily an above average regular, and maybe an occasional All-Star. Or am I wrong in thinking he could put up similar numbers to Butler (aside from his 2012)? How is Cecchini similar to Butler at all? Butler had 30hrs at age 19 in A+ and a little bit of AA (much better than Xander), and has never had less than 15 in a full season. At AA the next year his walk rate was below 10%
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Post by templeusox on Nov 4, 2013 7:02:39 GMT -5
didn't the player pages here used to have a player comp? Yes, and I believe they were removed because they were too hard to make accurately and people took them too seriously. Except for Garin Cecchini/Alex Gordon which is 100% on the nose.
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Post by mainesox on Nov 4, 2013 8:47:11 GMT -5
I don't know that you could call it a comp because too many parts of their game are dissimilar, but the guy I like to point to for a successful major leaguer with a similar profile at the plate to Cecchini is Billy Butler: high average, good walk rate and K rate, and moderate home run power (aside from last year when he went bananas) with a bunch of doubles. Cecchini is a better defender at a tougher position, and a better base runner, but strictly talking about what they do at the plate I think it could be similar, and that line from a guy with passable 3B defense, and decent base running skills is easily an above average regular, and maybe an occasional All-Star. Or am I wrong in thinking he could put up similar numbers to Butler (aside from his 2012)? How is Cecchini similar to Butler at all? Butler had 30hrs at age 19 in A+ and a little bit of AA (much better than Xander), and has never had less than 15 in a full season. At AA the next year his walk rate was below 10% I'm not talking about what Butler was as a prospect, or what his potential is/was, I'm just talking about what he's actually done so far as a major leaguer. Like I said in my original comment: home run totals generally in the teens, high average, lots of doubles, high walk rate, and low K rate
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Post by Kevin Pereira on Nov 4, 2013 14:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 5, 2013 21:34:28 GMT -5
Instant replay was just used in todays game...
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Post by jimoh on Nov 5, 2013 21:53:12 GMT -5
5th HR for Shaw, after his fine 2012 and poor 2013
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Nov 6, 2013 8:24:26 GMT -5
Cecchini's excellent year-end review article suggests that he will start in Portland next season, the projected 2014 rosters have him in Pawtucket? What is the probability breakdown that he starts in Portland/Pawtucket?
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Post by amfox1 on Nov 6, 2013 9:03:50 GMT -5
On my personal 2014 projections (not affiliated with SP.com), I have Cecchini ticketed for Pawtucket.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 6, 2013 15:17:53 GMT -5
Cecchini's excellent year-end review article suggests that he will start in Portland next season, the projected 2014 rosters have him in Pawtucket? What is the probability breakdown that he starts in Portland/Pawtucket? FWIW, this is part of why the outlook portions of the series this year were "signed" by a member of the brass. They're one guy's opinion in that sense. Probably a toss-up, as we discussed on the podcast that was released today.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 6, 2013 20:59:38 GMT -5
Mookie went 2-4 w/ his first HR of the fall.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 6, 2013 21:28:14 GMT -5
John Manuel ?@johnmanuelba 20s Wow, 2 challenges, 2 plays reversed in the first inning tonight. #AFL
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2013 21:14:32 GMT -5
I expanded the scope of the thread a bit b/c I didn't think the winter league stuff deserved its own thread.
Anyway, interesting development in the Liga Paralela that I just tweeted: Vic Acosta is playing second base for the Boston team. There's a possibility that this is just in deference to Aneudis Peralta so that both can get AB's, but there's probably a decent chance they're seeing how he looks at second now that L. Alej. Basabe isn't taking that spot. Rafael Devers will be manning third in the GCL, so a position switch could be coming there.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 7, 2013 21:29:22 GMT -5
Excellent find Chris. I was thinking how that was gonna work out between him and Devers, I guess we now know.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2013 21:31:30 GMT -5
Excellent find Chris. I was thinking how that was gonna work out between him and Devers, I guess we now know. Yeah I probably should have just began that post with "Hey, Norberto." Haha.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 7, 2013 21:59:34 GMT -5
Interesting since some have suggested Devers might not be able to stick at 3rd. And I don't think we have much info on Acosta (do we?) in terms of body type and athleticism. And we certainly cannot draw too much info from his success in the DSL. Regardless, at this point, they're both good prospects and they both are going to need AB's
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