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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 7, 2013 22:23:05 GMT -5
What you mean that at 3rd they are not blocked by Cecchini, Middlebrooks and perhaps Bogaerts?....I kid I kid.
Maybe Chris saw him at instructs and can give us more insight but from the pictures I have seen, never a good way to judge these things, he looked a bit short and slight, definitely not a guy you would think is a prototype for 3rd base. He looked more on the wiry strong side.
Thats what has me intrigued to see if the power is "real" because as has been documented he put up the best power performance the Red Sox DSL has seen in quite a bit.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 8, 2013 7:05:27 GMT -5
Interesting since some have suggested Devers might not be able to stick at 3rd. And I don't think we have much info on Acosta (do we?) in terms of body type and athleticism. And we certainly cannot draw too much info from his success in the DSL. Regardless, at this point, they're both good prospects and they both are going to need AB's Suggestions that Devers might not stick at third have to do with him growing. That's way down the line.
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Post by azblue on Nov 9, 2013 10:41:22 GMT -5
I watched the Surprise-Mesa game yesterday. Mesa won, 6-1. Betts, Cecchini, Shaw and Couch played. It is difficult to assess any player based on SSS (Cecchini--several television games and one live game; Betts two TV games and one live game; Couch one live game; Shaw 2 TV games and one live game). I'll just make cautious observations.
Cecchini: He had two AB's against Sammy Solis (Nationals). Solis is left handed, about 6-4, 220, with a very live arm who was the most impressive pitcher for either team. Cecchini had a short fly to right field and a strikeout against Solis. He froze several times on off speed pitches (but he was not the only one who had trouble with Solis's mix). He walked twice (once with the bases loaded). As Cecchini said in a recent interview, he is working on adjustments to more advanced pitchers who do not throw fastballs in hitters counts. In the field, he had two scorchers hit right at him (one by Kris Bryant) and he fielded them cleanly. He had one other grounder slightly to his left. He bounced one of this throws to first, but the other two were accurate. Showed good arm strength. Cecchini lost a popup in the sun in foul territory (not scored an error) and the batter hit a 2-run double on the next pitch. Several other defenders for each team had trouble with the sun which, because of the layout of the field, was directly in the eyes of the fielders. Three other catchable balls were missed in the feep outfield. Cecchini plays very upright on defense (SS habits are still being unlearned). I have a better understanding of why some evaluators have suggested left field as his ultimate destination. He is reasonably athletic and capable of playing third base, but he has much work to do (as he has said himself).
Betts had a single past the second baseman. Very hard hit ball. He had a walk, a strikeout and hit into a double play with the bases loaded to end the eighth inning. Only one chance in the field. He caught a popup.
Shaw. Not very athletic. Walked twice. Did not hit the ball hard. DH'd. Had a good game the day before (4-5).
Couch. Meh.
I'll probably watch them Monday as well. Based on the lineups that have been used for the past couple of weeks, I expect the same group of Boston position players to be in the lineup for the Monday game.
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Post by azblue on Nov 9, 2013 10:44:42 GMT -5
Forgot to mention Jorge Soler. He seemed indifferent in the field. The fans were sarcastically calling him "Jorge Hustle." On the other hand, the sun problems may have caused him to be tentative. Brian Goodwin and Addison Russell were impressive for the Mesa team (three hard hits for each).
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Post by jmei on Nov 9, 2013 10:57:14 GMT -5
Nice report-- thanks.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 11, 2013 19:58:29 GMT -5
Allen Webster not pitching well in the winter League it seems
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 10m @milb Meanwhile Bosox try to figure how Allen Webster's stuff can produce a 3 start Dominican line of 12 13 8 8 6 7
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 11, 2013 19:59:38 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Nov 11, 2013 20:53:18 GMT -5
Allen Webster not pitching well in the winter League it seems Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 10m @milb Meanwhile Bosox try to figure how Allen Webster's stuff can produce a 3 start Dominican line of 12 13 8 8 6 7 Yeah, I've been monitoring his starts, and suffice to say it's been disheartening. He had a decent first start (one run in four innings), but has really struggled since. He did pitch a career-high 135.1 innings in 2013, so maybe fatigue is a factor, and it's only been twelve innings (3 starts).
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Nov 11, 2013 21:23:30 GMT -5
Allen Webster not pitching well in the winter League it seems Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 10m @milb Meanwhile Bosox try to figure how Allen Webster's stuff can produce a 3 start Dominican line of 12 13 8 8 6 7 Yeah, I've been monitoring his starts, and suffice to say it's been disheartening. He had a decent first start (one run in four innings), but has really struggled since. He did pitch a career-high 135.1 innings in 2013, so maybe fatigue is a factor, and it's only been twelve innings (3 starts). It may just be me, but I totally discount fall and winter ball results. Fatigue could be setting in after a long season. Players could be working on specific things rather than trying to optimize their performance. Whether we like to admit it or not, the fall/winter leagues are NOT part of the competitive progression through the system toward every player's desired destination, so players simply may not take it quite as seriously.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2013 21:34:03 GMT -5
^ This
In other news, Pete Ruiz hasn't pitched since Oct. 24. Gotta hope he's not hurt again, but it's hard to come to any other conclusion.
Also, Noe Ramirez was apparently a late addition to the Fall Stars Game. Didn't pitch and it wasn't really publicized, but Callis wrote it on MLB.com in his recap of the Sox contingent there. Deserved - he's pitched great.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 11, 2013 21:44:32 GMT -5
Cecchini had a fine day at the office. 3/3, 2 BB, CS(2)
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 11, 2013 21:47:15 GMT -5
Also thats what the Red Sox get for sending Webster to pitch for the Chosen One instead of the Glorious One.
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Post by azblue on Nov 12, 2013 9:34:28 GMT -5
I saw the Surprise game yesterday. Cecchini hustled his way to an infield single on a slow bouncer to short, hit a sharp ground ball to right field and hit a line drive to left center for his three hits. He walked twice (once with the bases loaded). He was caught attempting to steal second (but appeared to beat the throw drawing immediate reaction of surprise from the crowd about the out call). I forgot to mention in my report on the Friday game that he was picked off first base (again, it appeared to be a bad call). In the field, he had a nice assist from behind third base (a step in foul territory) to throw out a batter and dove to his left for a ball and easily threw out another batter. His throws are 3/4 overhand and on a line, not the loopy sidearm throws that we have seen from several Red Sox third basemen.
Cecchini again looked uncomfortable on off speed pitches. He swung and missed early on three and fouled off one.
Betts had a single to center on a high bouncer and lost another hit up the middle (this one hit very sharply) when the runner at first, Tyler Naquin, ran on the pitch and drew the second baseman to the bag. The second baseman reached back toward first to field the ball and tagged Naquin out. If Naquin had not run on the pitch, it would have been a certain hit for Mookie. Mookie fielded two ground balls cleanly and threw out the batters before I left and handled a popup. I was not there in the bottom of the ninth for his third assist. Mookie is very confident at the plate and in the field. He is almost as patient as Cecchini. Mookie made hard contact on all but one ball that he put in play in the two games (the single to center Monday being the exception). He also hung tough on two very close force plays at second base. None of the balls hit to Mookie gave me an opportunity to judge his arm strength.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 12, 2013 10:07:21 GMT -5
Allen Webster not pitching well in the winter League it seems Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 10m @milb Meanwhile Bosox try to figure how Allen Webster's stuff can produce a 3 start Dominican line of 12 13 8 8 6 7 Really. Shocking. If Ben can find a GM who still thinks Webster is a #1 or #2 starter, trade Webster to that guy for all you can get and walk away.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 12, 2013 10:17:02 GMT -5
Might be time to just call Webster back home and have him call 2013 a bad year. Have him start fresh in 2014 during ST fully rested.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 12, 2013 12:42:05 GMT -5
Allen Webster not pitching well in the winter League it seems Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 10m @milb Meanwhile Bosox try to figure how Allen Webster's stuff can produce a 3 start Dominican line of 12 13 8 8 6 7 Really. Shocking. If Ben can find a GM who still thinks Webster is a #1 or #2 starter, trade Webster to that guy for all you can get and walk away. Well I'll take that "fools gold" as one my top prospects for the year. As I've said before, it's a lot easier to get someone to control all that snake-charmer stuff than it ever is to teach someone to throw a 95+ mph sinker, a killer changeup, and a very good slider. When he gets ahead of hitters they've got little to no chance. That first part is the work in progress. As for the winter league stuff, you'll want to pay less attention to it than you would to spring training. It's a practice round of golf, no more, no less. And I will eat my fair share of crow if I'm wrong.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 12, 2013 14:18:39 GMT -5
Really. Shocking. If Ben can find a GM who still thinks Webster is a #1 or #2 starter, trade Webster to that guy for all you can get and walk away. Well I'll take that "fools gold" as one my top prospects for the year. As I've said before, it's a lot easier to get someone to control all that snake-charmer stuff than it ever is to teach someone to throw a 95+ mph sinker, a killer changeup, and a very good slider. When he gets ahead of hitters they've got little to no chance. That first part is the work in progress. As for the winter league stuff, you'll want to pay less attention to it than you would to spring training. It's a practice round of golf, no more, no less. And I will eat my fair share of crow if I'm wrong. I'll second this. Lets not freak out over the Dominican Winter League please. I second the other comment that perhaps its time to shut him down for the year. Its time for a break for this guy and I very much look forward to seeing what he brings to the table in 2014 with proper rest. This guy has the best stuff in the system...no need to give up on him because of a few poor MLB starts this year, despite a fair amount of Triple-A success.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 12, 2013 16:04:51 GMT -5
Allen Webster not pitching well in the winter League it seems Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 10m @milb Meanwhile Bosox try to figure how Allen Webster's stuff can produce a 3 start Dominican line of 12 13 8 8 6 7 Really. Shocking. If Ben can find a GM who still thinks Webster is a #1 or #2 starter, trade Webster to that guy for all you can get and walk away. If only he'd done something, anything, to give us optimism going forward. You know, like strike out 45 and walk 12 and allow 25 hits in 40.1 IP in his last 7 starts at Pawtucket, putting up a 2.45 ERA (2.98 FIP and .232 BABIP), while holding opponents to a .176 / .248 / .289 line. Something like that.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 12, 2013 21:19:52 GMT -5
Another nice day for Travis Shaw: 3/4, now at .379; doesn't mean much, but I hope he gets a confidence boost that helps him next year.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 15, 2013 18:39:26 GMT -5
“@peteabe: Another rough start for #RedSox prospect Allen Webster in the DR this week. Didn't get through the 1st inning. ERA of 7.11 in 4 starts”
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 16, 2013 14:01:53 GMT -5
Surprise are in the AFL Championship game BTW and it starts in 2 hours (3pm eastern) on 11/16, so don't miss it if anyone wants a look at the Sox kids.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 16, 2013 14:12:49 GMT -5
Betts, Cecchini and Shaw are in the lineup and are 2-3-4 in the batting order.
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Post by mjammz on Nov 16, 2013 17:01:04 GMT -5
I've been a big fan of Noe Ramirez for awhile. He showed why in that inning. He has a devestating change up that will get him to the major leagues. I really like his projectibilty as a mid-inning reliever with a swing and miss out pitch
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 17, 2013 1:08:03 GMT -5
MT @amariselv: Daniel Bard hits another monstrous bump. Tonite in PR winter league: 5 BBs 3 WP, no outs recorded.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 17, 2013 1:13:23 GMT -5
Somewhere Jason Neighborgall weeps.
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