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2014 MLB Draft discussion
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 3, 2014 21:07:38 GMT -5
I'm an admitted reader/regurgitator with a preference of specific tool sets but far from an expert when it comes to the draft/scouting . Curious if anyone has thoughts on any of these bats that seem intriguing to me in 3rd/4th rd range (or 10th if hard signs): Trenton Kemp: SOunds like a great runner/athlete with the build to hit for power. Guess he's more of an athlete for now and not sure if he is a hard sign from Fresno or if he is a 2-sport guy. Gavin LaValley: Believe he played in same division that produced Jon Denney. Big guy who seems athletic for his size and has big power and good bat speed. His MLB.com profile mentions he shed 30 lbs for baseball after playing center on the football team in the fall. Kel Johnson: Shit, just looks the part and he's from Georgia. Get a bit of a Middlebrooks feel from him...home schooled so he may snap some day under the pressuse of Boston media and that's got to be worth something. Montrell Marshall: 6'5 scares me at the plate....holes is holes. but he sounds like an athletic kid and a hard worker...and he's from Georgia. Brian Anderson: Arkansas 2b/3b that may not have an ideal position for his bat. Has shown a little pop and some great walk numbers with the ability to add 10-15 lbs to the frame still. JD Davis: Highest rated on this list, two way guy, bat only value with power and sounds like a good hit tool. I've scoured a few lists...what's with all the mediocre sounding highschool catching? Isn't that the worst bet amongst high schoolers? There's a billion of them on these lists and none of them sound all that intriguing outside Alex Jackson Finally, not a bat but we need this guy...Dean Deetz is an amazing/fitting name and he may make Buchholz look like Clooney..at least from his MLB.com profile (#140). He's actually pretty damn intriguing based on his repotire which helps...but its just the icing on the cake. mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 3, 2014 22:32:31 GMT -5
PG staff are high on Brian Anderson. I think he should be drafted in 2nd round. Even 1s is a possibility.
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2014 8:21:13 GMT -5
I get the concerns on Blandino bc of no true plus tool but I just don't see a Vitek comp. the difference in competition between the PAC and Ball St is pretty big and Vitek had to switch positions too. After his FR year Callis had Blandino as a top 20 Cape prospect and then had a down year as a Soph. I'm not saying he's my guy but I'm not throwing my remote against the wall if we pick him.
I do think we draft a college guy with one of our first two picks unless they get pushed up the board bc teams roll the dice on pitching depth in the class and going that direction later.
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2014 9:39:51 GMT -5
Law tweet
Heard tonight the Tigers want UVA closer Nick Howard in the first round (which @jimcallismlb had first). Maybe he can take Nathan's spot?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 4, 2014 12:43:43 GMT -5
I heard the Sox like and could take Jack Flaherty at #33 and let him play both ways before he ultimately ends up on the mound. Is the consensus that it's too high to take him there?
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 4, 2014 12:52:13 GMT -5
If they are going high school pitcher I would hope there is a better one available at 33, but Flaherty is ranked 39 by BA (56 by Crawford), so it wouldn't be a huge reach.
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Post by Jim Crowell on Jun 4, 2014 13:01:56 GMT -5
I heard the Sox like and could take Jack Flaherty at #33 and let him play both ways before he ultimately ends up on the mound. Is the consensus that it's too high to take him there? It wouldn't be a huge overdraft, but there should be better arms available with that pick. I'm higher on fellow UNC commits Cam Varga, JB Bukauskas, Joey Gatto, and Mitch Keller, but there isn’t a whole lot separating them.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2014 13:12:37 GMT -5
I heard the Sox like and could take Jack Flaherty at #33 and let him play both ways before he ultimately ends up on the mound. Is the consensus that it's too high to take him there? No, because he shouldn't make it to their 2nd round pick. Having said that, I think there will be better pitchers available at #33.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2014 13:20:53 GMT -5
I heard the Sox like and could take Jack Flaherty at #33 and let him play both ways before he ultimately ends up on the mound. Is the consensus that it's too high to take him there? It wouldn't be a huge overdraft, but there should be better arms available with that pick. I'm higher on fellow UNC commits Cam Varga, JB Bukauskas, Joey Gatto, and Mitch Keller, but there isn’t a whole lot separating them. Bukauskas wants to attend college; otherwise, he would likely be gone before #33. Varga turns 20 this year and has had tendonitis, so he's got some red flags. Gatto is a high-ceiling, low-floor pick. Keller is very interesting if he falls to the 2nd round. There are so many interesting pitchers in play for #26 and #33, including Medeiros, Adams, Kopech, Griffin and Ortiz. I like all of them better than the UNC kids.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2014 13:27:57 GMT -5
FYI, I will post the final mock in this thread at 5pm ET, together with the players that I think are being considered at each pick.
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 4, 2014 13:39:40 GMT -5
It wouldn't be a huge overdraft, but there should be better arms available with that pick. I'm higher on fellow UNC commits Cam Varga, JB Bukauskas, Joey Gatto, and Mitch Keller, but there isn’t a whole lot separating them. Bukauskas wants to attend college; otherwise, he would likely be gone before #33. Varga turns 20 this year and has had tendonitis, so he's got some red flags. Gatto is a high-ceiling, low-floor pick. Keller is very interesting if he falls to the 2nd round. There are so many interesting pitchers in play for #26 and #33, including Medeiros, Adams, Kopech, Griffin and Ortiz. I like all of them better than the UNC kids. Do you like Medeiros? The arm slot alone scares me enough to look somewhere else...
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2014 13:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2014 13:55:24 GMT -5
Do you like Medeiros? The arm slot alone scares me enough to look somewhere else... Yes, I like him a lot but he does scare me a little. If the organization thinks they can help him develop consistency in his pitches, he could be a monster. He could also end up as a reliever. He reminds me of a lefty Justin Masterson. BTW, he does not fit into the typical Red Sox pitching profile, so I don't expect the Red Sox to take him, but he is my fifth rated HS pitcher, behind Aiken, Kolek, Toussaint and Holmes.
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2014 13:59:56 GMT -5
In Speiers most recent podcast he had Sawdaye on and said while they prefer bigger pitchers they don't take a cookie cutter approach on them and realize they come in different sizes. He mentioned they were on Sonny Gray.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2014 14:10:59 GMT -5
In Speiers most recent podcast he had Sawdaye on and said while they prefer bigger pitchers they don't take a cookie cutter approach on them and realize they come in different sizes. He mentioned they were on Sonny Gray. Understood, but if they have two pitchers rated similarly, the safer pick is the one that resembles the types of pitchers they are used to developing. Kopech, Adams, Griffin and Gatto all fall into that category in the HS group, while Fedde, Howard, Stinnett and Imhof fall into that category in the college group (with Stinnett and Imhof candidates for round 2).
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Post by Jim Crowell on Jun 4, 2014 14:11:15 GMT -5
It wouldn't be a huge overdraft, but there should be better arms available with that pick. I'm higher on fellow UNC commits Cam Varga, JB Bukauskas, Joey Gatto, and Mitch Keller, but there isn’t a whole lot separating them. There are so many interesting pitchers in play for #26 and #33, including Medeiros, Adams, Kopech, Griffin and Ortiz. I like all of them better than the UNC kids. I agree with you there. I would also throw Sheffield in there as well. His signability is a question, but he is a top-40 talent.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2014 14:17:53 GMT -5
I agree with you there. I would also throw Sheffield in there as well. His signability is a question, but he is a top-40 talent. Agreed, but I was responding to the UNC list you provided. Reportedly, TOR, BOS, KC and ARI have shown a lot of interest in Sheffield. To be fair, I like lots of other guys more than Sheffield at #33, and I don't see him lasting until we pick in round 2.
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Post by bsout2 on Jun 4, 2014 14:32:25 GMT -5
I agree with you there. I would also throw Sheffield in there as well. His signability is a question, but he is a top-40 talent. Agreed, but I was responding to the UNC list you provided. Reportedly, TOR, BOS, KC and ARI have shown a lot of interest in Sheffield. To be fair, I like lots of other guys more than Sheffield at #33, and I don't see him lasting until we pick in round 2. Interesting side note - on a recent draft podcast (forget which one) the commentator said Jordan Sheffield was possibly going to JuCo. Did not say why, just made the comment in passing when talking about this years Sheffield.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2014 15:09:00 GMT -5
Yeah I love his profile and am hoping he's around at 26. That said, I don't think Keith is alone in his assessment and I'd bet a team nabs in the late teens or early 20's. Even if he were around at 26, its hard to predict what the sox would do, but I'd be stoked if he fell into our laps.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 4, 2014 15:24:41 GMT -5
I really like Justus Sheffield. The group of HS pitchers are grouped closely together after Sean Reid-Foley I'd say so preference might be the dertermining factor on which one teams pick. I'd say even Reid-Foley might be in that group now.
I'd also be thrilled if they end up with Keaton McKinney in the 2nd round.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2014 16:00:15 GMT -5
My third and final mock draft:
1st Round & Comp. Round 1. HOU - Brady Aiken LHP (UCLA) (other possibilities: Rodon, Jackson (with deal)) 2. MIA - Carlos Rodon LHP, North Carolina State (other possibilities: Jackson, Kolek) 3. CWS - Tyler Kolek RHP (Texas Christian) (other possibilities: Rodon, Jackson, Nola (with deal)) 4. CHC – Aaron Nola RHP, Louisiana State (probably the floor for Rodon; other possibilities: Aiken, Pentecost (with deal), Conforto (with deal), Gordon) 5. MIN – Nick Gordon SS/RHP (Florida State) (probably the floor for Aiken/Kolek; other possibilities: Newcomb, Harrison (with deal)) 6. SEA – Alex Jackson C/OF (Oregon) (probably the floor for Jackson; other possibilities: Newcomb, Nola, Gordon, Conforto, Turner) 7. PHI - Sean Newcomb LHP, Hartford (probably the floor for Gordon/Nola; other possibilities: Freeland, Hoffman, Conforto, Turner) 8. COL – Kyle Freeland LHP, Evansville (other possibilities: Newcomb, Schwarber, Zimmer) 9. TOR - Trea Turner SS, North Carolina State (other possibilities: Toussaint, Hoffman) 10. NYM - Michael Conforto OF, Oregon State (probably the floor for Turner; other possibilities: Newcomb, Beede, Zimmer) 11. TOR (Bickford comp.) – Touki Toussaint RHP (Vanderbilt) (other possibilities: Hoffman, Howard (with deal)) 12. MIL – Jeff Hoffman RHP, East Carolina (probably the floor for Newcomb; other possiblities: Finnegan, Freeland, Beede, Pentecost, Holmes, Toussaint, Medeiros, Kopech) 13. SD – Derek Hill, OF (Oregon) (other possibilities: Freeland, Toussaint, Finnegan, Pentecost) 14. SF - Grant Holmes RHP (Florida) (probably the floor for Freeland/Toussaint; other possibilities: Beede, Howard, Hill) 15. LAA – Bradley Zimmer OF, San Francisco (other possibilities: Beede, Schwarber, Conforto, Pentacost, Beede, Finnegan) 16. ARI - Max Pentecost C, Kennesaw State (probably the floor for Pentacost; other possibilities: Hoffman, Finnegan, Zimmer, Gillaspie, Conforto) 17. KC - Kodi Medeiros LHP (Pepperdine) (probably the floor for Hoffman; other possibilities: Fedde, Finnegan, Medeiros, Griffin, Hill, Wall) 18. WAS - Kyle Schwarber C/1B, Indiana (probably the floor for Zimmer/Conforto; other possibilities; Fedde, Finnegan, Howard, Gillaspie, Reed) 19. CIN – Sean Reid-Foley RHP (Florida State) (probably the floor for Holmes; other possibilities: Finnegan, Medeiros, Griffin, Adams, Schwarber, Hill, Harrison) 20. TB - Tyler Beede RHP, Vanderbilt (other possibilities: Fedde, Finnegan, Gillaspie, Schwarber, Hill, Forbes, Wilson) 21. CLE - Casey Gillaspie, 1B, Wichita State (other possibilities: Fedde, Beede, Finnegan, Howard, Schwarber, Papi, Fisher) 22. LAD - Michael Kopech, RHP (Arizona) (probably the floor for Hill; other possibilities: Fedde, Howard, Adams, Reid-Foley, Griffin, Medeiros, Sheffield) 23. DET - Nick Howard, RHP, Virginia (probably the floor for Beede; other possibilities: Burdi, Fedde, Finnegan, Chavis, Blandino) 24. PIT – Jacob Gatewood SS/3B (Southern California) (other possibilities: Harrison, Hill, Fisher, Reed) 25. OAK – Monte Harrison, OF (Nebraska) (other possibilities: Forbes, Hill, Wilson, Chavis) 26. BOS - Erick Fedde RHP, UNLV (other possibilities: Howard, Weaver, Gillaspie, Reed, Blandino, Harrison, Hill, Fisher, Chavis, Wilson, Kopech, Adams, Ortiz, Medeiros, Griffin, Gatto, Sheffield) 27. STL - Luis Ortiz RHP (Fresno State) (other possibilities: Adams, Medeiros, Griffin, Blandino, Wall) 28. KC (Santana comp.) – Forrest Wall, 2B (North Carolina) (probably the floor for Fedde/Medeiros; other possibilities: Griffin, Kopech, Adams, DeCarr, Harrison, Reed, Gillaspie) 29. CIN (Choo comp.) – Spencer Adams, RHP (Georgia) (other possibilities: Gillaspie, Reed, Ortiz, Griffin, Gatto) 30. TEX (Cruz comp.) – Michael Gettys OF/RHP (Georgia) (probably the floor for Harrison; other possibilities: Hill, Wilson, Gettys, Forbes, Chavis) 31. CLE (Jimenez comp.) - Brandon Finnegan LHP, Texas Christian (other possibilities: Gillaspie, Reed, Blandino, Papi) 32. ATL (McCann comp.) – Michael Chavis 2B/3B (Clemson) (probably the floor for Adams; other possibilities: Wall, Griffin, Gettys, Marshall) 33. BOS (Ellsbury comp.) - Derek Fisher OF, Virginia (other possibilities: Gillaspie, Papi, Blandino, Hill, Reed, Chavis, Howard, Vellot) 34. STL (Beltran comp.) - A.J. Reed, 1B, Kentucky (other possibilities: Weaver, Howard, Blandino, Chavis, Papi, Fisher)
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2014 17:07:59 GMT -5
I'd sign up for Fedde and Fisher. Callis was on with Speier this week talking about the risk with Fedde and he really seemed to like him. Mentioned the conference he pitches in is the California league of the NCAA and he could have three pluses.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 4, 2014 17:27:08 GMT -5
I also agree that Fedde would be good choice at 26, although I hope that if Gatewood or Harrison are available that the Red Sox pick one of them and then go for pitching with the #33 pick. I would throw something if the Red Sox pick Reed with either the #26 or #33 pick.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 4, 2014 17:36:28 GMT -5
I also agree that Fedde would be good choice at 26, although I hope that if Gatewood or Harrison are available that the Red Sox pick one of them and then go for pitching with the #33 pick. I would throw something if the Red Sox pick Reed with either the #26 or #33 pick. Better watch it. Temple tore the UCL in his elbow when we drafted Daniel Bard.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 4, 2014 17:44:38 GMT -5
I heard the Sox like and could take Jack Flaherty at #33 and let him play both ways before he ultimately ends up on the mound. Is the consensus that it's too high to take him there? I can see Jack Flaherty having a little Hunter Harvey in him as one who is drafted later but adds a little velocity in the short term providing a jump in his performance. Flaherty has been a two way prospect and will focus strictly as a pitcher. I for one am a fan as I had mentioned him awhile back as a prospect I like who likely went after 33 but before the 60s and he has only gained helium since. I'd take a shot on him at 33 personally as I really like his fastball, change-up, slider combo. Could be three plus pitches there when its all said and done.
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