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Post by amfox1 on Dec 8, 2012 8:41:18 GMT -5
I am not interested in Lohse. He's a replacement level starter at best.
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Post by jdb on Dec 8, 2012 9:15:17 GMT -5
It does seem like E Jackson would be as good and wouldn't cost a pick and he just turned 29 in Sept. Also would kick the tires on Gavin Floyd before giving a pick for Loshe.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 8, 2012 9:23:05 GMT -5
The thought of the Red Sox signing Kyle Lohse for three years AND losing a draft pick in the process makes me physically ill. Please no.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 8, 2012 9:42:10 GMT -5
I am not interested in Lohse. He's a replacement level starter at best. This. Also not worth the draft pick when their are better starters available at similar money.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 8, 2012 11:09:27 GMT -5
I am not interested in Lohse. He's a replacement level starter at best. This. Also not worth the draft pick when their are better starters available at similar money. Wow......picking up Lohse is a stretch. Why would he be a target for BC? I just got over digesting the offer to Dempster and not being sure of that one....and this. 3 years for Lohse and the lose of all that money allocated to our 2nd rounder? I don't think so! There are several pitchers out there who come unattached to our draft choice. Pick one of them! I'm not a big Edwin Jackson fan, but I'd give him 3 years before Lohse. As to the Dempster offer of 2 years for 25 million, if that doesn't seem to his liking.....try 2 years and an option for $30 million guaranteed....and I think he would come to his senses about insisting on a 3 year contract to sign. Too much? Well it seems to be what it takes this year.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2012 11:26:56 GMT -5
Dempster turns 36 next year. If I'm the Red Sox, I'm not budging from my offer and telling him good luck finding a team willing to give you three years.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 8, 2012 11:38:15 GMT -5
The thought of the Red Sox signing Kyle Lohse for three years AND losing a draft pick in the process makes me physically ill. Please no. Just reading your post made me ill.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2012 11:46:58 GMT -5
The thought of the Red Sox signing Kyle Lohse for three years AND losing a draft pick in the process makes me physically ill. Please no. Just reading your post made me ill. Why? Do you think it's a good idea? To me, short of signing an elite talent, like Hamilton, losing the 2nd pick isn't worth it. Lohse wouldn't be anywhere near as good with the Sox as he has been with the Cards IMO. If the Sox desire mid-level pitchers, just wait for Dempster to finally come to the conclusion that nobody else will give him 3 years.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 8, 2012 11:58:29 GMT -5
I meant that reading the possibility of signing him and losing the bonus pool money made me ill so I was in agreement with all of you.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 8, 2012 12:20:48 GMT -5
Red sox reportedly interested in Anibal Sanchez www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/red-sox-interested-in-anibal-sanchez.htmlI read where the Tigers offered 4/48 and he was said to be insulted. I've also read he was looking to get 6/90 and that the Dodgers now view him as their #1 option because they feel as though Greinke will end up in Texas. 6/90 might be a bargain if they can get it. Hate to get into a bidding war with L.A.
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Post by mainesox on Dec 8, 2012 14:16:26 GMT -5
Dempster turns 36 next year. If I'm the Red Sox, I'm not budging from my offer and telling him good luck finding a team willing to give you three years. I agree, but I'd rather give three years to Dempster than Lohse, especially considering you lose a draft pick signing Lohse.
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 8, 2012 14:29:02 GMT -5
Picking between these options, I'd rather see what's behind door number 3. Unless Lester and Buchholz both return/develop into top of the rotation starters, and closer to the #1 than the #2 starter version of top of the rotation, this team isn't going to compete with either Lohse or Dempster. May as well give Rubby or Webster a shot......
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 8, 2012 14:34:48 GMT -5
Dempster turns 36 next year. If I'm the Red Sox, I'm not budging from my offer and telling him good luck finding a team willing to give you three years. I agree, but I'd rather give three years to Dempster than Lohse, especially considering you lose a draft pick signing Lohse. My idea above to "up" the offer to Dempster was like this: 2 years at $28 million plus a 3rd year for $14 with a $2 million buy-out. This way we give him closer to the money he wants and we can walk after 2 years if he sucks. He turned down our offer of 2 years for $25 million........so the extra $5 million may get the job done. Your welcome Ben and Mr. Henry. Call any time.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2012 14:39:18 GMT -5
Picking between these options, I'd rather see what's behind door number 3. Unless Lester and Buchholz both return/develop into top of the rotation starters, and closer to the #1 than the #2 starter version of top of the rotation, this team isn't going to compete with either Lohse or Dempster. May as well give Rubby or Webster a shot...... Agreed. I think Dempster is underrated by a lot of folks, but age and injuries are a serious concern. I'd prefer Edwin Jackson, Shaun Marcum, and Anibal Sanchez to Dempster or Lohse by far, even accounting for the fact that those latter two will be paid much less.
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Post by dcb26 on Dec 8, 2012 16:04:43 GMT -5
Picking between these options, I'd rather see what's behind door number 3. Unless Lester and Buchholz both return/develop into top of the rotation starters, and closer to the #1 than the #2 starter version of top of the rotation, this team isn't going to compete with either Lohse or Dempster. May as well give Rubby or Webster a shot...... Agreed. I think Dempster is underrated by a lot of folks, but age and injuries are a serious concern. I'd prefer Edwin Jackson, Shaun Marcum, and Anibal Sanchez to Dempster or Lohse by far, even accounting for the fact that those latter two will be paid much less. Agree with your Agreed. I've thought all along that the FA market didn't offer what the Sox needed in terms of pitching, and the way it's shaping up is reinforcing that for me. At this point, a FA pitcher could still provide some value If the Sox think they need mid-back of the rotation depth, but if they want to really upgrade the rotation I think it's going to require a trade.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 12, 2012 11:10:51 GMT -5
The Rangers have work to do, too, but some rival evaluators see the Red Sox as a team poised to move on pitching as the prices drop. - Olney
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 12, 2012 12:47:20 GMT -5
Source: #RedSox, Dempster in serious discussions. No deal yet; still possible he could sign elsewhere. - Rosenthal
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Post by Guidas on Dec 12, 2012 12:53:40 GMT -5
Gross.
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Post by mainesox on Dec 12, 2012 12:57:27 GMT -5
Dempster's still a pretty decent pitcher; I'd be okay with him on the team if the terms are right.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 12, 2012 12:58:41 GMT -5
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 12, 2012 13:01:17 GMT -5
He turned down a 2 year, $25 million offer so its going to be for more than that. If you're going to get into the $14-$17 million and/or 3-4 year range please just give me Anibal.
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Post by mainesox on Dec 12, 2012 13:18:34 GMT -5
Give him a higher AAV and/or an option year. I wouldn't go more than two guaranteed years though.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 12, 2012 13:25:02 GMT -5
He turned down a 2 year, $25 million offer so its going to be for more than that. Could be only marginally better - he was hoping to get 3 years and maybe realized it wasn't going to happen.
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 12, 2012 14:04:37 GMT -5
He turned down a 2 year, $25 million offer so its going to be for more than that. Could be only marginally better - he was hoping to get 3 years and maybe realized it wasn't going to happen. That may be the case, but it is close enough in AAV to reports on Sanchez that it brings out a huge pet peeve of mine - is it really worth saving a couple million in AAV to take the lesser player? If you're going to make a serious investment, especially in a starting pitcher, I'd like to see them take the higher ceiling talent than the one who got lit up in the AL.
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Post by mainesox on Dec 12, 2012 14:07:22 GMT -5
Sanchez wants 6 years, even if you can talk him down to 4 that's more than Dempster will get (I'd rather give Sanchez 4 years than give Dempster 3, but both of those scenarios are pretty much the extreme).
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