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4/7-4/9 Red Sox vs. Rangers Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 8, 2014 22:40:24 GMT -5
Frustrating game and frustrating watching Doubront struggle. Serves him right for working his butt off during the winter.
I got frustrated with him last year during a start he got bombed against Texas, and sure enough he reeled off a bunch of quality starts over a two month stretch before he ran out of gas. And I do think Felix was very much an unsung hero in the World Series.
So as frustrating as he can be I say stick with the guy. Maybe the guy is going thru a dead arm period or needs to make a mechanical adjustment to get back on track.
I'm also thinking that when Victorino returns the Sox should consider an outfield alignment of Sizemore in LF, Bradley in CF, and Victorino in RF and adjust accordingly when Sizemore needs a break or Victorino gets banged up. Again this leads to the Nava/Carp/Gomes roster construction issue, but I'm sure an injury will resolve this issue.
Meanwhile, it's disappointing to see this team stink at Fenway. They'll definitely struggle a lot more this year than last year which seemed to be a joy ride. They'll get better, though. There's just too much talent there.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 8, 2014 23:13:50 GMT -5
I feel the same way, but I keep telling myself it's early and it is. Pitchers can struggle to start out then fall into grooves. And the team is hitting but that's not going to make a lot of difference if you're always coming from behind. A few more wins would make all the difference. Let's see if they can take this series for starters.
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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 8, 2014 23:30:40 GMT -5
I'm not ready to give up on Doubront, though continued struggles would make the question more realistic. Doubront has struggled against the Rangers more so than any other team. Among those teams w/ >50 AB's vs. Doubront (10 teams), the Rangers have given him the biggest fits by far (1.102 OPS against), whereas the next closest team (Toronto) has an .858 OPS against Felix in his career. I'm not saying that Doubront's struggles today can be directly attributed to this, but, as jmei said, it's April 8th, let's not jump to conclusions.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 8:22:58 GMT -5
That should be the end of the Grady Sizemore experiment. Nice story, but this isn't summer camp. Guy has been away for two years and dealt with tough injuries and operations, should not expect him to ready in the first week or so. Expect that the Sox will give him at least a month. But when you let someone like Ellsbury walk, and only had an untested rookie to replace him, wtf did you expect. Likewise when they let Lester walk, wtf is really going to replace him. It takes time for pitchers to develop, look at Felix and before him Clay; likewise, Lester when he started. Sox do not want to chase the market, and are either arrogant or stupid enough to believe they can replace some players. BTW, does Gomes swing anymore? I expect the Sox to friggin play JBJ every single game. But they will send him down as soon as Victorino is back. I hope he's OPSing 1.500 by then because that is his only chance to stick on the roster because "we need him as depth" more than in the lineup.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 8:29:28 GMT -5
He had all of 100 at bats last year and that wasn't enough to tell anything. And he's not going to hit .400 this year either, no matter what the first 20 at bats tell us. Put 'em out there and let 'em play. It's simple. And worst case scenario, we'll have a gold glove CF in the outfield, lowering our pitchers' BABIPs (which have been entirely too high).
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 9, 2014 8:45:11 GMT -5
Frustrating game and frustrating watching Doubront struggle. Serves him right for working his butt off during the winter. I got frustrated with him last year during a start he got bombed against Texas, and sure enough he reeled off a bunch of quality starts over a two month stretch before he ran out of gas. And I do think Felix was very much an unsung hero in the World Series. So as frustrating as he can be I say stick with the guy. Maybe the guy is going thru a dead arm period or needs to make a mechanical adjustment to get back on track. I'm also thinking that when Victorino returns the Sox should consider an outfield alignment of Sizemore in LF, Bradley in CF, and Victorino in RF and adjust accordingly when Sizemore needs a break or Victorino gets banged up. Again this leads to the Nava/Carp/Gomes roster construction issue, but I'm sure an injury will resolve this issue. Meanwhile, it's disappointing to see this team stink at Fenway. They'll definitely struggle a lot more this year than last year which seemed to be a joy ride. They'll get better, though. There's just too much talent there. You're preaching to the choir my friend. Couldn't agree more. We absolutely do not need 6 outfielders on the roster and nava/carp is a little redundant. We need Jackie on this team if we want to make the playoffs. Gomes we are keeping but im not sure who goes out of nava/carp. Depends what the market offers for them but they're both cheap so they should fetch a decent return.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 8:56:08 GMT -5
For me, Carp is a backup DH who is a below average 1B and has no business in the OF. He is redundant with Papi more than Nava. It is going to be infuriating if I see JBJ demoted again. I would not be surprised if they gave JBJ the starting CF job and he and Xander battled it out for ROY like Rice/Lynn.
JBJ already won a game for us two days ago with those amazing plays in the field and the situational hitting. It's time for Ben C to give up some of his precious depth to put the best team on the field when Victorino is back. I imagine it'll be a phantom DL trip for Carp though. And then Nava. And then as soon as JBJ has a slump, he'll go back to AAA.
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Post by godot on Apr 9, 2014 9:25:24 GMT -5
No need to sweat about Carp and whoever. Shane will be out for sometime, including a rehab. During that period Jr. and Sizemore will give a decent indication of their worth, followed by the appropriate move. Ben is not stupid.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 9, 2014 9:57:09 GMT -5
For me, Carp is a backup DH who is a below average 1B and has no business in the OF. He is redundant with Papi more than Nava. It is going to be infuriating if I see JBJ demoted again. I would not be surprised if they gave JBJ the starting CF job and he and Xander battled it out for ROY like Rice/Lynn. JBJ already won a game for us two days ago with those amazing plays in the field and the situational hitting. It's time for Ben C to give up some of his precious depth to put the best team on the field when Victorino is back. I imagine it'll be a phantom DL trip for Carp though. And then Nava. And then as soon as JBJ has a slump, he'll go back to AAA. At the moment, I agree with you. Let's see how everyone's playing when Victorino's ready to come back, but I've come full circle on this, and don't feel quite the same need to keep Carp on the roster when he does.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 9, 2014 13:22:23 GMT -5
Jonny Gomes, LF Dustin Pedroia, 2B David Ortiz, DH Mike Napoli, 1B Xander Bogaerts, SS Daniel Nava, RF Ryan Roberts, 3B David Ross, C Jackie Bradley Jr., CF Jake Peavy, SP
Nava in RF against LHP. I don't suppose anyone has a problem with that?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 13:22:25 GMT -5
www.overthemonster.com/2014/4/9/5597924/red-sox-vs-rangers-sox-turn-to-jake-peavy-to-save-series Jonny Gomes, LF Dustin Pedroia, 2B David Ortiz, DH Mike Napoli, 1B Xander Bogaerts, SS Daniel Nava, RF Ryan Roberts, 3B David Ross, C Jackie Bradley Jr., CF Starting Pitcher -- Jake Peavy Shin-Soo Choo, LF Elvis Andrus, SS Prince Fielder, DH Alex Rios, RF Mitch Moreland, 1B Donnie Murphy, 2B Leonys Martin, CF Robinson Chirinos, C Josh Wilson, 3B Starting Pitcher -- Robert Ross Jr. Yay, Nava in RF against a LHP. Victorino can't get back soon enough.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 13:22:45 GMT -5
Jonny Gomes, LF Dustin Pedroia, 2B David Ortiz, DH Mike Napoli, 1B Xander Bogaerts, SS Daniel Nava, RF Ryan Roberts, 3B David Ross, C Jackie Bradley Jr., CF Jake Peavy, SP Nava in RF against LHP. I don't suppose anyone has a problem with that? Whoa!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 9, 2014 13:32:16 GMT -5
Jonny Gomes, LF Dustin Pedroia, 2B David Ortiz, DH Mike Napoli, 1B Xander Bogaerts, SS Daniel Nava, RF Ryan Roberts, 3B David Ross, C Jackie Bradley Jr., CF Jake Peavy, SP Nava in RF against LHP. I don't suppose anyone has a problem with that? We don't really have any other options sadly. Injuries are really hurting us.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 9, 2014 13:40:01 GMT -5
Double scooped! We don't really have any other options sadly. Injuries are really hurting us. Well, to be fair to Cherington, it is really surprising that a durable guy like Victorino would miss any time at all.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 13:42:54 GMT -5
Jonny Gomes, LF Dustin Pedroia, 2B David Ortiz, DH Mike Napoli, 1B Xander Bogaerts, SS Daniel Nava, RF Ryan Roberts, 3B David Ross, C Jackie Bradley Jr., CF Jake Peavy, SP Nava in RF against LHP. I don't suppose anyone has a problem with that? We don't really have any other options sadly. Injuries are really hurting us. Maybe finding other games to rest Sizemore for is an option. Especially with a fly ball pitcher like Peavy on the mound.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 9, 2014 13:46:27 GMT -5
Maybe finding other games to rest Sizemore for is an option. Especially with a fly ball pitcher like Peavy on the mound. Oh yeah, Peavy. In Fenway. Seriously, could there ever be a worse situation to put Nava in RF? Maybe if we put Big Papi at 2B so more balls get through to RF?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 9, 2014 14:32:23 GMT -5
How about we look at picking up a speedy right handed, plus-defensive outfielder (that is consistently healthy)? Doesn't even need to have a good bat. That to me would be more helpful than Carp, even though I love the guy. We could use that in late innings or to rest victorino/play him in right when Shane is injured.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 9, 2014 14:40:53 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 15:26:18 GMT -5
How about we look at picking up a speedy right handed, plus-defensive outfielder (that is consistently healthy)? Doesn't even need to have a good bat. That to me would be more helpful than Carp, even though I love the guy. We could use that in late innings or to rest victorino/play him in right when Shane is injured. This goes back to my November/December arguments about going after a guy like Bourjos or Rajei Davis. *sigh* This really had to be seen as a likely issue ahead of time. This "we just won the WS with Nava in RF" crap is just plain crap. Especially when you consider the likelihood of Nava regressing at the plate. The .364 BABIP vs RHP last season is due to fall.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 15:34:13 GMT -5
Crap, another game I missed the beginning of. Guess I need to start paying attention to game times.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 9, 2014 15:38:38 GMT -5
The only thing more annoying than a pitching coach who has his hand in front of his mouth is a pitching coach who has his hand on the pitcher's shoulder like that.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 15:43:17 GMT -5
The only thing more annoying than a pitching coach who has his hand in front of his mouth is a pitching coach who has his hand on the pitcher's shoulder like that. Or hitting into 6 double plays in 11 innings. Seriously, what is the Red Sox GB% with runners on 1st and less than 2 outs? This has to normalize at some point, right?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 15:50:32 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by "maybe not". I don't think that article has Sizemore in CF and JBJ in LF. There are no quotes that specify that. That would be unbelievably stupid especially in Fenway.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 9, 2014 15:54:38 GMT -5
The only thing more annoying than a pitching coach who has his hand in front of his mouth is a pitching coach who has his hand on the pitcher's shoulder like that. Or hitting into 6 double plays in 11 innings. Seriously, what is the Red Sox GB% with runners on 1st and less than 2 outs? This has to normalize at some point, right? Stealing or bunting is an option. Especially when your batter is a double play machine. Swinging away is a good idea with Nap or Ortiz but with Roberts at the plate you gotta be realistic about the chances of a hit vs DP.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 9, 2014 16:02:55 GMT -5
Did Peavy just 2 hop the ball to home plate? Is he considering a switch to Cricket?
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