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Post by marrcus on Oct 17, 2012 17:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 17, 2012 17:44:14 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo Brad Ausmus didn't want to get into specifics of his Red Sox interview. He has spent most of the day with Sox management.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 17, 2012 19:00:03 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo Ben Cherington has nobody scheduled to interview after Demarlo Hale tomorrow. The Sox trying to work out compensation for John Farrell.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 17, 2012 19:06:35 GMT -5
I sure hope that Cafardo is wrong about the Red Sox negotiating compensation for Farrell as they need whatever trading chips they have to address their obvious needs at starting pitching, 1B, OF and SS. It would be waste of resources to acquire Farrell when they are plenty of other legitimate manager candidates that they have already interviewed which would not cost them any player.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 17, 2012 19:08:25 GMT -5
I sure hope that Cafardo is wrong about the Red Sox negotiating compensation for Farrell as they need whatever trading chips they have to address their obvious needs at starting pitching, 1B, OF and SS. It would be waste of resources to acquire Farrell when they are plenty of other legitimate manager candidates that they have already interviewed which would not cost them any player. doubt it.. Sox and Tor try and work something reasonable out. If Tor makes it difficult, they hire someone else
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 17, 2012 20:24:30 GMT -5
We all saw how difficult it was to negotiate compensation for Theo. The Red Sox have way too many things to address to waste much time this offseason negotiating comp for Farrell. Time to move on and hire one of the other guys already interviewed.
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Post by buffs4444 on Oct 18, 2012 6:07:24 GMT -5
I thought the lesson we learned from Theo was to simply hire the guy, hold the press conference, and then wait a few months to send 2 mediocre prospects back in exchange?
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Post by bighead on Oct 18, 2012 7:36:48 GMT -5
I sure hope that Cafardo is wrong about the Red Sox negotiating compensation for Farrell as they need whatever trading chips they have to address their obvious needs at starting pitching, 1B, OF and SS. It would be waste of resources to acquire Farrell when they are plenty of other legitimate manager candidates that they have already interviewed which would not cost them any player. doubt it.. Sox and Tor try and work something reasonable out. If Tor makes it difficult, they hire someone else Sandy Rosario??? Seriously, what do people think is acceptable compensation for Farrell regardless of how you feel about him as a manager? Obviously the Theo compensation should be the benchmark despite the fact the Sox were negotiating from the position of weakness since he was already in place.
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Post by badfishnbc on Oct 18, 2012 11:39:42 GMT -5
I thought the lesson we learned from Theo was to simply hire the guy, hold the press conference, and then wait a few months to send 2 mediocre prospects back in exchange? The difference with Theo was that the FO gave permission without settling on compensation, which was a terrible move. Toronto won't do the same, because that's the real lesson, and they learned from our mistake.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 18, 2012 13:51:30 GMT -5
doubt it.. Sox and Tor try and work something reasonable out. If Tor makes it difficult, they hire someone else Sandy Rosario??? Seriously, what do people think is acceptable compensation for Farrell regardless of how you feel about him as a manager? Obviously the Theo compensation should be the benchmark despite the fact the Sox were negotiating from the position of weakness since he was already in place. Why would compensation for a GM who was promoted to team president be the benchmark for manager compensation where there is precedent for manager compensation? Precedent will be moves like the Guillen and Pinella "trades," not the Theo trade.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 18, 2012 16:38:33 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo Major League source: Sox-Jays beyond "preliminary" stage of compensation talks in a deal for Toronto manager John Farrell.
Which means the sox find the "demands" reasonable
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Post by jdb on Oct 18, 2012 16:45:53 GMT -5
I was really hoping to go a different direction. Someone with out any ties to the clubhouse. I was against him before the Omar Vizquel issue but that put me over the top. Losing record in Toronto and didn't have controll of that clubhouse.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 18, 2012 18:27:08 GMT -5
Joe McDonald @espnjoeymac Red Sox team source: "Impressed with all the candidates interviewed."
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 18, 2012 18:29:23 GMT -5
John Tomase @jtomase Sox source impressed with all 4 candidates. Says next step is to "regroup" and assess where they stand tomorrow. No further word on Farrell.
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Post by remember04 on Oct 18, 2012 19:55:30 GMT -5
"Impressed" doesn't mean anything to me, they were impressed enough with Valentine to hire him when us the fans knew ahead of time it was a disaster waiting to happen.
I honestly hope Farrel doesn't get the job but later gets fired by Toronto since I think that's the only way we can get him back as a pitching coach which is his best position right now.
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Post by marrcus on Oct 18, 2012 20:22:47 GMT -5
Farrel doesn't get the job " ---------------------------- Maybe not a lock but...It's happening . McAdam is mentioning Matt Barnes as Comp. Wouldn't that be nice. I hope Larry told them it was a very bad joke
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Post by elguapo on Oct 18, 2012 20:36:47 GMT -5
Why would compensation for a GM who was promoted to team president be the benchmark for manager compensation where there is precedent for manager compensation? Precedent will be moves like the Guillen and Pinella "trades," not the Theo trade. Precedent is an idiotic way to approach this kind of scenario. Farrell offers minimal marginal value over another manager not under contract. So his value to the Red Sox in trade is minimal and that's all they should offer as compensation. Toronto won't accept that (based on 'face' alone) and everyone moves on. (Farrell's actual value to Toronto isn't terribly high either, aside from the PR angle.)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 18, 2012 21:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by badfishnbc on Oct 19, 2012 12:37:57 GMT -5
So how are they conducting this - has anyone been able to get a good feel for the process? We know candidates are coming in for a day, and presumably this includes meetings with various members of the FO. But does that include a phone call with a player or two as well, or are the candidates reaching out to, say, Pedroia or Lester at the end of the day to introduce themselves?
I'm just trying to get a feel for how a player becomes involved in this process, and what weight an anonymously sourced player opinion should be given as we observe this story...
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 19, 2012 13:00:55 GMT -5
I really don't care about Farrell vs Pena vs Ausmus vs Hale vs I can't even remember the last guy ... except for vaguely positive feelings about Hale and Pena from their respective times with the Sox. I don't really have enough info to judge between them. They all seem pretty good, no obvious buffoons ala Bobby V.
But, really, if there is credible reason to believe that Farrell can turn Lester back into a top left-hander, that alone is probably worth more wins than anything else a manager can do. So there's that.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 19, 2012 13:41:33 GMT -5
So how are they conducting this - has anyone been able to get a good feel for the process? We know candidates are coming in for a day, and presumably this includes meetings with various members of the FO. But does that include a phone call with a player or two as well, or are the candidates reaching out to, say, Pedroia or Lester at the end of the day to introduce themselves? I'm just trying to get a feel for how a player becomes involved in this process, and what weight an anonymously sourced player opinion should be given as we observe this story... A) To answer the question, we don't know, and I think that's a good thing. B) If you read the link, the player wasn't actually involved with the process. He says he's talked to friends on other teams about these guys.
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Post by elguapo on Oct 19, 2012 13:42:29 GMT -5
I don't think hiring a manager to be your pitching coach (in a way) makes sense. They just need to hire a good pitching coach.
I know precedent is often used in negotiation - I wan't calling Chris's comment idiotic - but I think these 'manager trade' situations are so few and far between and distinct that it is not helpful for the parties in terms of reaching agreement. It is helpful as a bargaining ploy for one side or the other, which is something else entirely. Instead, each party should put a value on the manager (Boston: up to Alex Wilson; Toronto: at least Henry Owens and Alex Wilson) and if the two values overlap they negotiate a deal in that range. Personally I don't think there's a match.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 19, 2012 14:37:32 GMT -5
I don't think hiring a manager to be your pitching coach (in a way) makes sense. They just need to hire a good pitching coach. I think that's generally true, and that's why I wouldn't give up much of anything for Farrell if that's their only motivation. However, I do think this case is somewhat sui generis because of the importance of Jon Lester to the next 2-3 seasons of the Red Sox and the history he has with Farrell. Still, tho, I think it's likely that the effect Farrell would have on Lester wouldn't be all that great.
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 19, 2012 15:38:44 GMT -5
Dave Magadan leaving to take same position with the Rangers. Figured this was a decent place to put this. Looks like an entirely new coaching staff for next year, at least manager, pitching coach, hitting coach
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 19, 2012 16:01:28 GMT -5
Jen Royle @jen_Royle As I reported weeks ago, Jays don't want prospects. Beeston tells @bosheraldsports he wants at least one "decent player" for 25-man roster.
BWHHAHAHAHAAHAHHA
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