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Buy, Sell, or Wait? (aka the Fire Sale Game Thread)
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Post by justen on Jul 8, 2014 18:24:00 GMT -5
Lead Cardinals beat writer for St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 8, 2014 22:53:08 GMT -5
Lead Cardinals beat writer for St. Louis Post-Dispatch. The thing is, Shelby Miller's last four starts have been so bad (.354 / .427 / .488 allowed versus .233 / .319 / .372 previously), and consistently so, that they suggest a possible physical problem, and he has to be the fifth starter for at least a month and probably six weeks before Wacha comes off the DL. Most teams in their position wouldn't want to gamble on both a return to form for him and on Kelly picking up where he left off without a hitch, which is why some folks feel this sudden change of heart is trade posturing.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 9, 2014 0:46:35 GMT -5
I'm glad Cherington has come to the realization that it's time to sell.
We got the most of out these guys we could have expected (a friggin World Series title) and we have a top 5 farm system.
Move Lester, Move Lackey, Move Peavy, Move Uehara, Move Drew, Move Victorino (if someone would even take him). Our system is loaded at pitcher. No, we may never get one who will ever be as good as Lester or even Lackey at his peak, but there is no reason to pay a huge sum for Lester at his age with such a great system.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 9, 2014 8:58:46 GMT -5
Oakland's 27-yr old Nick Buss, LHB CF AAA. He cleared waivers Monday, so SOX, along with all others, passed on him.
Nick Buss 2013 AAA: 17 HR 100 RBI, 21 SB, BA .303 ..... .888 OPS. Sox realized weeks ago that their team will not compete, as evidenced by their continual passing on opportunities to upgrade their OF, or the PawSox OF, with AAAA-type players.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 9, 2014 9:02:34 GMT -5
I'm glad Cherington has come to the realization that it's time to sell. We got the most of out these guys we could have expected (a friggin World Series title) and we have a top 5 farm system. Move Lester, Move Lackey, Move Peavy, Move Uehara, Move Drew, Move Victorino (if someone would even take him). Our system is loaded at pitcher. No, we may never get one who will ever be as good as Lester or even Lackey at his peak, but there is no reason to pay a huge sum for Lester at his age with such a great system. You have to keep Lackey. And Probably Victorino. I'm all for trading anyone who's not under contract in 2015 though, including Lester.
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Post by cba82 on Jul 9, 2014 9:15:44 GMT -5
"Move Drew" -- Which team would take him?
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Post by jmei on Jul 9, 2014 9:17:28 GMT -5
Oakland's 27-yr old Nick Buss, LHB CF AAA. He cleared waivers Monday, so SOX, along with all others, passed on him. Nick Buss 2013 AAA: 17 HR 100 RBI, 21 SB, BA .303 ..... .888 OPS. Sox realized weeks ago that their team will not compete, as evidenced by their continual passing on opportunities to upgrade their OF, or the PawSox OF, with AAAA-type players. Which outfielder do you think guys like Buss or Andres Torres should replace on the major league roster? Bradley has hit decently of late, and makes up for the anemic bat with Gold Glove-caliber defense. The Nava/Gomes platoon gives pretty good production in LF, and RF is being held down by Holt/Betts.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 9, 2014 9:38:53 GMT -5
I say keep em guessin' and play like your a seller...while really being a buyer....and buy all the players you need to make a championship team again
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 9, 2014 11:22:12 GMT -5
"Move Drew" -- Which team would take him? As was pointed out earlier in this thread, he'd be a great for for the Pirates, whose overall-awful Jordy Mercer's sole skill is the one Drew lacks -- hitting LHP.
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Post by mainesoxfan on Jul 9, 2014 11:44:07 GMT -5
I have read this board for a while and not commented so here goes. Nobody wins every year and it looks like this is not the Sox year. The obvious trade candidates are guys like Peavy, Ross, for whatever we can get for them. Replace them with Vasquez and De La Rosa. My thoughts on Bogaerts will not go over well. The Sox will never see his prime. His agent is Boras and he will go to the highest bidder. He is prime trade bait right now. Look around and try to maximize now.
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Post by jmei on Jul 9, 2014 12:37:13 GMT -5
Let's try to keep this thread to discussing the pre-trade-deadline period. There's another thread for discussing 2015 and beyond.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 9, 2014 12:39:09 GMT -5
I have read this board for a while and not commented so here goes. Nobody wins every year and it looks like this is not the Sox year. The obvious trade candidates are guys like Peavy, Ross, for whatever we can get for them. Replace them with Vasquez and De La Rosa. My thoughts on Bogaerts will not go over well. The Sox will never see his prime. His agent is Boras and he will go to the highest bidder. He is prime trade bait right now. Look around and try to maximize now. Seriously? Right now? Ha. His value isn't even maximized, assuming you think he's as good as everyone thinks he will be. He won't maximize his value until he establishes himself. Give a few years. Also, his brother Jair is an agent now. It really wouldn't surprise me to see Xander switch to Jair at some point.
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Post by jmei on Jul 9, 2014 13:16:21 GMT -5
"Move Drew" -- Which team would take him? As was pointed out earlier in this thread, he'd be a great for for the Pirates, whose overall-awful Jordy Mercer's sole skill is the one Drew lacks -- hitting LHP. Brian MacPherson also suggests the Tigers (Eugenio Suarez is off to a good start, but is liable to cool off at any moment) or the Brewers (Jean Segura has been a replacement-level guy this year). Given his contract, Drew can be moved in the August waiver-trade period as well, though ideally you'd want him gone sooner rather than later to give Xander more reps at SS.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 9, 2014 13:45:49 GMT -5
BOOM! AJP gone, CVaz being called up.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2014 13:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jul 9, 2014 14:19:12 GMT -5
This is the general clearinghouse trade deadline rumor thread. More specific rumors/ideas can be discussed in the trade proposal subforum.
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Post by mainesoxfan on Jul 9, 2014 18:35:56 GMT -5
I have read this board for a while and not commented so here goes. Nobody wins every year and it looks like this is not the Sox year. The obvious trade candidates are guys like Peavy, Ross, for whatever we can get for them. Replace them with Vasquez and De La Rosa. My thoughts on Bogaerts will not go over well. The Sox will never see his prime. His agent is Boras and he will go to the highest bidder. He is prime trade bait right now. Look around and try to maximize now. Seriously? Right now? Ha. His value isn't even maximized, assuming you think he's as good as everyone thinks he will be. He won't maximize his value until he establishes himself. Give a few years. Also, his brother Jair is an agent now. It really wouldn't surprise me to see Xander switch to Jair at some point.
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Post by mainesoxfan on Jul 9, 2014 18:39:37 GMT -5
I would love it if he changed agents. That would change my opinion completely.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 9, 2014 20:11:32 GMT -5
Even if he doesn't, you don't trade X now unless you think he will never be the player he's expected to be.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 9, 2014 22:36:00 GMT -5
Oakland's 27-yr old Nick Buss, LHB CF AAA. He cleared waivers Monday, so SOX, along with all others, passed on him. Nick Buss 2013 AAA: 17 HR 100 RBI, 21 SB, BA .303 ..... .888 OPS. Which outfielder do you think guys like Buss or Andres Torres should replace on the major league roster? Bradley has hit decently of late, and makes up for the anemic bat with Gold Glove-caliber defense. The Nava/Gomes platoon gives pretty good production in LF, and RF is being held down by Holt/Betts. Yep, the Betts Agenda and re-appearance of Carp have given us an OF that keeps the pundits happy. Perhaps when drew is gone, Holt becomes an infielder yet again. Buss has options, but there was no 40 spot earlier in the week .... Pawsox are at 24 and Justin Henry has reached the end of the line. Betts has all AAA Applicants blocked.
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Post by jmei on Jul 10, 2014 8:57:37 GMT -5
The Blue Jays just lost both Adam Lind (out six to eight weeks) and Edwin Encarnacion (out two to four weeks) and don't have a natural first baseman on their roster. Would they be interested in Mike Carp?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 10, 2014 13:05:03 GMT -5
The Blue Jays just lost both Adam Lind (out six to eight weeks) and Edwin Encarnacion (out two to four weeks) and don't have a natural first baseman on their roster. Would they be interested in Mike Carp? Mike Napoli and flip him again in the off-season to replenish the prospects they lost? Does that actually work?
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Post by jmei on Jul 10, 2014 13:14:45 GMT -5
Napoli doesn't seem like a fit-- they expect both those guys back this season and so are only looking for a cheap, short-term option. Carp has the added benefit of having the positional flexibility to play LF, so he has some value even when Lind/E5 return.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 10, 2014 13:29:26 GMT -5
Even if he doesn't, you don't trade X now unless you think he will never be the player he's expected to be. Maybe if you thought his window wasn't really going to open for 3-5 years... but someone else thought it opened tomorrow? Of course, you could also just option him if that was your thinking. Need to hang onto the kid, even if he will end up playing his 26-30yo years elsewhere.
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Post by danr on Jul 10, 2014 14:50:34 GMT -5
In all the discussions about possible Sox trades and other moves, one possibility has not been discussed much, if at all - trading Buchholz. Is that because there is strong belief he should be kept, or that he doesn't have sufficient market value? Or some combination of both?
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