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Buy, Sell, or Wait? (aka the Fire Sale Game Thread)
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 10, 2014 15:07:44 GMT -5
In all the discussions about possible Sox trades and other moves, one possibility has not been discussed much, if at all - trading Buchholz. Is that because there is strong belief he should be kept, or that he doesn't have sufficient market value? Or some combination of both? I think it is more the issue of determining his worth. He's such an enigma that he's not likely to be valued in a way to reflect a meeting of the minds on his value.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 10, 2014 15:13:21 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 39m
Great to see Pirates GM Neal Huntington at Fenway.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 10, 2014 15:16:34 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox getting an offer worthwhile of passing on the upside of Buchholz at this point
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 10, 2014 20:31:11 GMT -5
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 1h Ross: It'd be nice to go into Houston and play well and go into the All-Star break giving the front office something to think about."
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Jul 10, 2014 20:51:51 GMT -5
In all the discussions about possible Sox trades and other moves, one possibility has not been discussed much, if at all - trading Buchholz. Is that because there is strong belief he should be kept, or that he doesn't have sufficient market value? Or some combination of both? I think it is more the issue of determining his worth. He's such an enigma that he's not likely to be valued in a way to reflect a meeting of the minds on his value. We might be surprised by his value. Especially with that contract.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 13, 2014 13:45:45 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 35m The Red Sox were one of a few teams to watch Cole Hamels earlier this week. Hamels has four years remaining on his contract.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 13, 2014 18:42:10 GMT -5
If the Sox trade for Hamels, would it be for looking ahead to 2015 to go along side Lester or not. That's a lot of money for those two considering all our pitching depth even after such a trade.
I think the Pirates GM and scouts for them could be looking for several things. I am thinking our relief pitching is attractive to them.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Jul 13, 2014 20:30:39 GMT -5
If the Sox trade for Hamels, would it be for looking ahead to 2015 to go along side Lester or not. That's a lot of money for those two considering all our pitching depth even after such a trade. I think the Pirates GM and scouts for them could be looking for several things. I am thinking our relief pitching is attractive to them. I would assume it could be a safety net in case if seems clear to them Lester won't sign at the price the Sox offer before the deadline. Lackey did say and I quote, “(The Red Sox) messed up in spring training for sure. The price of gas is going up every time (Lester) goes out there." I have felt the same vibe like when V Mart, Bay, Beltre, Ellsbury, Ross left; everyone said the rights things about wanting him to stay and wanting to stay but nothing amounted in the offseason and for one reason or another in result, they left for the best offer. Then again we will have over 72 mil coming off the books next year so they could pair him with Lester and still have a lot of spending money for the rest of the off season-season.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 13, 2014 20:57:49 GMT -5
Makes no sense to me. We need a bat, not even more pitching.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 14, 2014 10:29:04 GMT -5
Makes no sense to me. We need a bat, not even more pitching. I agree and don't even think there's enough substance to our interest to even bother talking about it.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 14, 2014 10:36:41 GMT -5
A target that might make sense this offseason, especially if we don't resign Lester and Uehara, is if we took on Lee and Papelbons contracts. The contracts would soften the cost of prospects but we would still have to include some talent in that trade.
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Post by godot on Jul 14, 2014 10:48:58 GMT -5
Getting Hamels as a replacement for Lester does not seem to compute. They probably would have to give up pitching prospects for him, and the savings do not seem to be much. If they are looking at him (Nick?), it may be just doing some tire kicking or due diligence.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 14, 2014 11:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2014 12:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 15, 2014 18:35:23 GMT -5
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 15, 2014 23:30:17 GMT -5
This deadline would have been a perfect time to try to deal Middlebrooks, but the guy can't stay healthy so I don't think I would sell so low on him...but he is engaged to Jenny Dell now, so maybe some team will overpay for them as a package deal haha.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 16, 2014 0:07:01 GMT -5
I don't know what they're smoking but I'll take a pound of it please.....oh, and the deal for Bundy too.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 16, 2014 7:32:26 GMT -5
I don't know what they're smoking but I'll take a pound of it please.....oh, and the deal for Bundy too. Most of these are unrealistic, and some crazy like the Posey one. A few have some interesting "concepts" but still unrealistic. I proposed something similar to the Bundy deal a couple times on the trade proposal forums. Bleacher report does a great job of mass producing these bold predictions slide show articles. I could imagine most of them the writers are not interested in writing them, and you will also see that in writers comments. These are just designed to get views, nothing more. At least I think this writer tried. What would you propose if you had to come up with 10 big moves and try to make it somewhat close?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2014 8:05:45 GMT -5
I don't know what they're smoking but I'll take a pound of it please.....oh, and the deal for Bundy too. Most of these are unrealistic, and some crazy like the Posey one. A few have some interesting "concepts" but still unrealistic. I proposed something similar to the Bundy deal a couple times on the trade proposal forums. Bleacher report does a great job of mass producing these bold predictions slide show articles. I could imagine most of them the writers are not interested in writing them, and you will also see that in writers comments. These are just designed to get views, nothing more. At least I think this writer tried. What would you propose if you had to come up with 10 big moves and try to make it somewhat close? The funniest thing is the article is titled "10 Blockbuster Deals Red Sox GM Should Be Proposing" and some of them consist of selling veterans for prospects and some consist of trading the farm for veterans. The title is off and probably should be titled something like "10 Blockbusters Deals the Red Sox GM Could Be Proposing", depending on whether they're buyers or sellers. Can't be both. Personally, I don't think I'd write for Bleacher Report, but I'd definitely be able to come up with something a little better than that, and not include unthinkable trades like the Posey one, when they're 1 game out of 1st.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2014 8:35:01 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 16, 2014 8:38:53 GMT -5
Not surprising, he isn't worth anything.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 16, 2014 9:35:08 GMT -5
Drew will easily pass through waivers, so he can be traded in August (unlike Lester/Uehara/Miller/Badenhop).
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 16, 2014 10:02:22 GMT -5
I don't know what they're smoking but I'll take a pound of it please.....oh, and the deal for Bundy too. This one's great: We get a guy signed for 8 years (ages 26 - 33) at $15M a year who seems to be about a 2.6 - 2.8 WAR player and who plays the position occupied (in theory) by the best young player on the team and by our #7 prospect (should be #5), who is already in AAA. Plus a guy who is currently 33 and who has gone 4.2, 3.1, 2.0 (extrapolated) WAR, and who will be a FA unless his $13.5M option is picked up, which seems unlikely .
And all we have to give up is Betts, Owens, Vazquez, and Coyle!
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 16, 2014 10:11:10 GMT -5
You realize Bleacher Report is just blogger with an advertising circle, right? Like, anyone who posts on the trade proposal subforum could easily create an account there. There is no vetting process. When you see something ridiculous there, it's best to ignore it because most of what's gotten that site its value is clickbait slideshows and ridiculous would-never-happen trade proposals like this one.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 16, 2014 10:13:24 GMT -5
I don't know what they're smoking but I'll take a pound of it please.....oh, and the deal for Bundy too. This one's great: We get a guy signed for 8 years (ages 26 - 33) at $15M a year who seems to be about a 2.6 - 2.8 WAR player and who plays the position occupied (in theory) by the best young player on the team and by our #7 prospect (should be #5), who is already in AAA. Plus a guy who is currently 33 and who has gone 4.2, 3.1, 2.0 (extrapolated) WAR, and who will be a FA unless his $13.5M option is picked up, which seems unlikely .
And all we have to give up is Betts, Owens, Vazquez, and Coyle!
I think Elvis ends up in NY replacing Jeter.
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