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Post by amfox1 on Jul 8, 2014 7:47:19 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 2h w/Garcia in surgery, Gonzalez optioned, Wacha out, I hear what Gordon Edes hears:Cardinals want Jake Peavy
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 7:49:33 GMT -5
Speculation: if both Lester and Lackey are packaged together, Taveras is in play.
ADD: hell, if the Red Sox eat all of Peavy's contract, maybe Lester/Peavy is enough to get Taveras.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 8, 2014 8:02:47 GMT -5
Here's my thought. Peavy and cash (diff. between Peavy and Craig contracts for 2014) for Allen Craig and Alex Reyes.
STL clears a spot for Taveras and gets their stopgap pitcher. Red Sox get a RHH reclamation project at outfielder and score a top 10 STL lottery ticket prospect (Reyes) for assuming the additional financial burden of Craig's contract ($26.5 for the next three years, which includes a buyout for 2018). Craig plays LF at Fenway, Betts goes back to AAA, and Gomes immediately goes on the trading block.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2014 8:17:58 GMT -5
I can't imagine the Cardinals giving up Craig for a pitcher like Peavy. He's worth more than that even with a bad year.
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 8:34:34 GMT -5
Yeah, Craig is having a down year, but he has real trade value and is a much more valuable asset than Peavy. Craig's salary is super reasonable (14:$2.75M, 15:$5.5M, 16:$9M, 17:$11M, 18:$13M club option ($1M buyout)), especially when you take into account inflation, and I think it's unfair to call it a "financial burden." Even if the Cardinals are looking to move him to ease the logjam at 1B/OF, they should easily be able to find a taker this offseason who would be willing to offer a real prospect or two.
Peavy, on the other hand, is a guy who just isn't going to get moved for much. He's not going to be in high demand (because he's more of a back-end guy, and contenders will have their sights set higher), and any suitors know the Red Sox are motivated to move him. Even if the Red Sox are most/all of his salary, he could maybe fetch Reyes alone, but even that is probably too much (I really like Reyes, though).
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 8, 2014 9:43:05 GMT -5
How much would including Doubront help the return? Given that he's a versatile lefty who can start, still has some upside (maybe), and is cheap and team controlled for a while, I would've thought he'd be a solid piece, maybe not on his own, but packaged with Peavy and cash? I don't see why we couldn't get a solid prospect for that. Don't know anything about Reyes though, maybe that's a lowball offer?
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 9:58:50 GMT -5
Doubront is not a midseason trade candidate. He might need to be stretched out before he can start games again, and, at the trade deadline, contenders don't trade for fringy starting pitchers coming off a terrible half-season. Because he has three more years of team control, the Red Sox shouldn't just give him away, but potential acquirers would be hesitant to give up prospect value and guarantee a rotation spot to a guy as unreliable as Doubront.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 8, 2014 12:52:30 GMT -5
I'll take a lottery ticket in Edmundo Sosa for Peavy if Ben can't coax more from St Louis.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 8, 2014 12:53:35 GMT -5
Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 9m As @gordonedes reported, also hearing buzz that Peavy to #STLCards could happen "quick." Only Bos game Cards scouted was game Peavy pitched
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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2014 13:02:29 GMT -5
And if we did get Craig we definitely wouldn't get Reyes with him.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 8, 2014 13:05:03 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler If the Red Sox are talking to the Cardinals about Jake Peavy, if I'm Boston, I want Edmundo Sosa tacked on to that deal. Young SS can hit.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2014 13:06:24 GMT -5
I can't even imagine the nightmare scenario of having Craig on the team with Carp, Victorino, Gomes, Nava and JBJ. I mean can we really count on Ben dumping both Peavy and someone else we don't need so the players who should be playing are actually playing?
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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2014 13:13:35 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal is reporting that we are going after Craig, but it will take a more than Peavy. Breslow maybe? He probably fares better in that park.
Mike Carp is gone after this.
Edmundo Sosa would be awesome, but teams don't often trade high upside SS when they're that young.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 8, 2014 13:15:54 GMT -5
I can't even imagine the nightmare scenario of having Craig on the team with Carp, Victorino, Gomes, Nava and JBJ. I mean can we really count on Ben dumping both Peavy and someone else we don't need so the players who should be playing are actually playing? Gomes isn't going to be with the team in three weeks if the team begins a fire sale. He is perfect trade bait for a team in the playoff hunt needing a RHH bat. Who knows when ShaneO will be back. If we were to trade for Craig, our outfield for the rest of the year would likely be Craig, JBJ and Nava, with Carp off the bench and Holt as the emergency CF until ShaneO gets back. Betts goes back to AAA to learn how to play the outfield until September. The Red Sox can clear out the excess in the offseason.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 8, 2014 13:16:56 GMT -5
If Ben turns Peavy into Sosa, this season is a success.
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 13:21:05 GMT -5
The Cardinals also reportedly need a second/third-baseman, because both Ellis and Wong have struggled this year at the keystone. Would they be interested in Holt? He's a guy I might be willing to sell high on.
Something like Craig and a prospect or two for Peavy, Holt, and cash-- that seems like the beginnings of a deal.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2014 13:22:40 GMT -5
The Cardinals also reportedly need a second/third-baseman, because both Ellis and Wong have struggled this year at the keystone. Would they be interested in Holt? He's a guy I might be willing to sell high on. Something like Craig and a prospect or two for Peavy, Holt, and cash-- that seems like the beginnings of a deal. I'd rather get Piscotty if we're adding Holt.
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 8, 2014 13:23:54 GMT -5
I would do that in a heartbeat ADD: Don't think that gets us Piscotty though, given that we've been discussing him as the key piece in a Lester deal, although I guess we could ask as a jumping off point and see if they go for it
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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2014 13:27:37 GMT -5
Peavy + Holt for Craig + Sosa/Reyes would be dope.
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 8, 2014 13:30:42 GMT -5
Just saw this from Ken Rosenthal via MLB Trade rumors: Multiple reports today have indicated that the Cardinals have interest in Jake Peavy of the Red Sox, and Rosenthal reports that the two sides spoke a month ago, though not necessarily about Peavy. Boston has interest in the Cardinals’ young outfielders, and while St. Louis won’t deal Randal Grichuk or Stephen Piscotty for Peavy, the teams could expand the deal to include other players and make something work. Rosenthal floats the idea of a scenario in which Allen Craig heads to Boston, though that appears to be speculation.
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Post by rider on Jul 8, 2014 13:47:26 GMT -5
Really hope we can get Piscotty in some combination. Maybe get Lackey involved if we have to, but then I' think they would definitely have to get Lester locked up if we deal Lackey.
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Post by seanleary001 on Jul 8, 2014 14:07:58 GMT -5
Remember, both Craig AND Peavy are having off years. This is definitely a scenario that could work well for both team. The Cardinals don't particularly need Craig with Taveras being ready to play every day at the major league level, and we don't need Peavy. We will definitely have to eat some of Peavy's salary because Craig is a star player.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2014 14:10:06 GMT -5
I also really hope that Carp or Gomes goes in the trade. I'd be happy with Carp and Peavy for Craig.
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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2014 14:12:46 GMT -5
I also really hope that Carp or Gomes goes in the trade. I'd be happy with Carp and Peavy for Craig. I think Gomes actually makes a lot of sense. Good attitude and presence for a contender, and would compliment Taveras perfectly when he struggles vs LHP.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 8, 2014 14:28:01 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 2 min. nl/st louis would make sense for jake peavy. boston is talking peavy & other things w/many teams. no sign it's imminent tho
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