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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2014 16:09:17 GMT -5
Rob Bradford ?@bradfo 4m Peavy said he would be "extremely disappointed" if traded. Keeping tabs on situation through agent. Rest of his comments are forthcoming Well at least through being "extremely disappointed" he can relate to his fans.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 8, 2014 16:15:38 GMT -5
@jonmorosi: Red Sox and Cardinals are engaged in trade discussions about Jake Peavy, sources confirm reports by @gordonedes and @jaysonst.
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Post by ethanbein on Jul 8, 2014 16:15:58 GMT -5
Something tells me a shot at another ring might soothe Peavy's disappointment.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 8, 2014 16:21:50 GMT -5
A little disconcerting that Gomes is still penciled in the lineup tonight.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2014 16:22:46 GMT -5
He can drive his duck boat to St. Louis
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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2014 16:26:31 GMT -5
I don't want Gomes out of the lineup.
If Gomes is out, then we're likely getting Grichuk back. If not, there's a chance it's Craig coming here and Grichuk getting called up.
Grichuk does us nothing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 8, 2014 16:26:49 GMT -5
Grichuk would be a good pickup for Peavy. Peavy is a guy who is obviously on the downside of his career as he is extremely HR prone, isn't coming back and isn't getting a QO, so any prospect with a chance of being a good player is a good deal for the Sox.
Grichuk's numbers make me think of an OF version of WMB, but I can see the Sox being attracted to his power and his defense that's CF like in RF.
At worst case scenario, he is a platoon guy against lefties. At best case scenario, he's a coachable kid who hopefully learns some patience at the plate so he's not a complete hacker as his record thus far indicates. If he does learn that patience, then he could be a 25 HR guy playing good defense under the Sox control for 6 years. That's a core member of the team and a very valuable thing to have.
Granted that's best case scenario. More likely he's a platoon player. I don't think it'll be a 1-1 swap as my guess is there are other players on both sides being discussed with the Sox 2nd player being more valuable than the Cards 2nd player. I guess we'll see how it plays out.
Meanwhile, Jake Peavy has been nothing but a standup, classy guy since he's gotten to Boston, so I wish him nothing but the best out in St. Louis.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2014 16:41:26 GMT -5
The more I look at Craig's #s, the more I stay away. His downturn this year was preceded by a pretty terrible 2nd half last year. And the first half of last year may have been fueled by a .380 BABIP.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 8, 2014 16:46:00 GMT -5
The more I look at Craig's #s, the more I stay away. His downturn this year was preceded by a pretty terrible 2nd half last year. And the first half of last year may have been fueled by a .380 BABIP. Craig has reached the point in his contract where he is no longer a value for his numbers. 15:$5.5M, 16:$9M, 17:$11M, 18:$13M club option. I would much rather get a fringe prospect in return. No need to be saddled with Craig's salary.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2014 16:54:42 GMT -5
Braves are apparently in on Peavy too.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 8, 2014 16:56:35 GMT -5
@peteabe: Farrell said the #RedSox would have a “move of some sort” after the game tonight
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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2014 16:56:57 GMT -5
LOL
@stlcardswire 34m
A little fuel for the rumors, Jackie Bradley Jr. not in the #RedSox lineup. Could see him in a possible deal along with Peavy to #STLCards
Yeah its definitely not because there's a LHP starter for the White Sox.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Jul 8, 2014 16:58:00 GMT -5
Braves are apparently in on Peavy too. what do you think we could get from ATL?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 8, 2014 17:06:01 GMT -5
Braves are apparently in on Peavy too. what do you think we could get from ATL? The Braves system is pretty thin. Assuming the Red Sox are looking for outfielders, there isn't much in the minors.
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Post by myleskennefick on Jul 8, 2014 17:13:30 GMT -5
Braves are apparently in on Peavy too. what do you think we could get from ATL? Jason Heyward probs
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 17:15:07 GMT -5
The more I look at Craig's #s, the more I stay away. His downturn this year was preceded by a pretty terrible 2nd half last year. And the first half of last year may have been fueled by a .380 BABIP. Craig has reached the point in his contract where he is no longer a value for his numbers. 15:$5.5M, 16:$9M, 17:$11M, 18:$13M club option. I would much rather get a fringe prospect in return. No need to be saddled with Craig's salary. That averages out to $9m per guaranteed year, which is pretty reasonable for a guy who is probably a league-average corner outfielder going forward. Granted, he's on the older side (this is his age-30 season), but judging a guy based on one down year is generally a bad idea. The real problem with Craig this season is a pretty big spike in his ground ball rate and a corresponding decline in his line drive rate, which accounts for his big drop in power and BABIP. If he can fix that, though, he's a guy who has a pretty great history of offensive success (career .294/.345/.465, 126 wRC+ in 1784 career PAs) and pretty rosey projections (50/50 Steamer/ZiPS has him at .277/.331/.433, 117 wRC+, 2.4 fWAR/600 PAs). He basically never pops up (a trend which has continued even into this slump) and hits a ton of line drives, which explains his career .333 BABIP. If the scouting reports are decent enough, he's a prime buy-low candidate for me and I'd love to get him.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2014 17:15:08 GMT -5
what do you think we could get from ATL? Jason Heyward probs Yeah, just have to throw in Betts to sweeten the pot.
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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2014 17:19:10 GMT -5
I was just about to say the drop in Craig's LD% suggests it's mechanical and can be fixed, but who knows, could just be a decline. I think worst case scenario he's as valuable Gomes though. He's still hitting LHP, and he can play 1B too which adds a bit of value.
I'm warming up to Girchuk too. I like that he's still young and think he can find decent success if he keeps his Ks where they were last year.
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 17:29:24 GMT -5
The real problem is that Craig hasn't pulled anything with authority this year. Read this article and compare his 2012 spray chart to his 2014 one. He used to have tremendous pull power that has just not been there this year. That jives with some of the reports from earlier this year suggesting that Craig has had issues with his timing at the plate. If his swing is out of whack and his timing is just not right, this will be the result-- a lot of ground balls rolled over to the left side and fly balls carved to the opposite field. But I think it's just a slump that he'll get out of, similar to how Daniel Nava was in a deep funk to start the season but worked his way out of it. There's some risk that this is a more permanent decline, but he's just 29 and has an extensive history of offensive production. That's the kind of guy I'm willing to take a chance on, and the kind of guy this front office had such success targeting in 2013.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 8, 2014 17:33:05 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 1 min. #RedSox are talking to many teams about their starters, Peavy included. But nothing imminent according to team source.
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 17:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 8, 2014 17:53:40 GMT -5
Cafardo says the Sox and Cards are getting the money straightened out. Maybe the deal is not for Grichuk but for Craig instead? Craig has been a good hitter. Not really a HR hitter and they'd be attached to him for quite some time given his contract. Not sure I'd want him in LF for the long-term and he hasn't been having a good year as I guess he's still plagued by the injury from last year. Wonder if and when he'd return to being the same hitter he had been.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 8, 2014 17:57:28 GMT -5
Cafardo says the Sox and Cards are getting the money straightened out. Maybe the deal is not for Grichuk but for Craig instead? Craig has been a good hitter. Not really a HR hitter and they'd be attached to him for quite some time given his contract. Not sure I'd want him in LF for the long-term and he hasn't been having a good year as I guess he's still plagued by the injury from last year. Wonder if and when he'd return to being the same hitter he had been.Hmm, this is just a wild guess, but you might try reading the tremendously well-informed discussion on this very page of your browser.
I'm not hugely excited about Craig, but any return for Peavy is peachy.
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 8, 2014 18:03:02 GMT -5
It's funny I mentioned when they sent Rubby down that Peavy needed a few starts to re establish some value. A few people mocked that even to go as far as say we'll get a bucket of balls for him (with a picture included might I add)It just goes to show some people don't have a clue about baseball and a veteran starter will usually be an asset of some kind.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 8, 2014 18:08:04 GMT -5
Cafardo says the Sox and Cards are getting the money straightened out. Maybe the deal is not for Grichuk but for Craig instead? Craig has been a good hitter. Not really a HR hitter and they'd be attached to him for quite some time given his contract. Not sure I'd want him in LF for the long-term and he hasn't been having a good year as I guess he's still plagued by the injury from last year. Wonder if and when he'd return to being the same hitter he had been.Hmm, this is just a wild guess, but you might try reading the tremendously well-informed discussion on this very page of your browser.
I'm not hugely excited about Craig, but any return for Peavy is peachy.
Bunch of projections really don't tell me anything, but like you I'm not too excited about Craig. When I imagine LF for the Sox I'm hoping for a young up and coming power hitter (or Betts in LF with Stanton in RF or vice versa, but that's kind of a fantasy) or one of the Cuban OF (I know the better veteran power hitter is still in Cuba, but I'd be pleased with Tomas) .
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