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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 29, 2014 14:51:24 GMT -5
The Mike Carp showcase tour rolls on. He plays again tonight. We played you, that's why we couldn't trade you. Sure seems that he isn't helping himself...but then, the guy got NO regular playing time.
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Post by kmann on Jul 29, 2014 15:17:24 GMT -5
Will Jon Lester make his start tomorrow? What if the answer was "yes" but as a member of the Blue Jays?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 15:19:33 GMT -5
We played you, that's why we couldn't trade you. Sure seems that he isn't helping himself...but then, the guy got NO regular playing time. He doesn't really deserve playing time on a team with Napoli and Papi. He's too horrible in LF. I mean he's a 3rd string LF, backup 1B and backup DH. This is why I wanted him gone in the offseason, but I digress. I'd be thrilled to get a competitive balance pick for him.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 15:32:08 GMT -5
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 13m Napoli dealing with swelling in his finger.
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Post by danr on Jul 29, 2014 18:12:38 GMT -5
BAs and OPs for July: Nava .368/.843 Bradley .313/.753 Holt .283/.730 Pedroia .270/.642 Ortiz .259/.921 Napoli .257/.759 Drew .197/.778 Bogaerts .197/.481
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 29, 2014 19:03:51 GMT -5
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 13m Napoli dealing with swelling in his finger. Which one?
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 29, 2014 20:15:48 GMT -5
Quality start by Rubby, he battled and kept the team in the game.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 29, 2014 20:20:18 GMT -5
This offense is frustrating to watch.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 29, 2014 20:39:26 GMT -5
So farrell challenges this, but didn't challenge the play in Tampa Bay? does he not know how to manage anymore. Moron.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 29, 2014 20:47:21 GMT -5
So farrell challenges this, but didn't challenge the play in Tampa Bay? does he not know how to manage anymore. Moron. I was mad Farrell challenged that also... till I looked at the TiVo and his foot was off the bag it appeared and with him forcing his foot back on the bag after petey got there it was a good challenge. If should of been a safe call it appeared. So I guess I'm not to po'ed at =John this time!
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 20:48:33 GMT -5
I just had this crazy idea that it's easier to tank with the replays as long as we ask for none.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 29, 2014 20:52:34 GMT -5
Ya wanna know how far we are from contending? Toronto is kicking the crap out of us without; Encarnacion, Adam Lind and Lawrie. Who are we missing? Nobody. Oh, just our best pitcher we're letting go. You're serve John Henry. The 2013 Red Sox won because your GM had an incredible off-season. One which we haven't really ever seen in Boston. Theo's 03 was very good. That's what it's going to take to win without any star players. Your GM is going to have to have an unreasonably spectacular off-season to contend.
Before someone chimes in. Do you want to be the Yankees? The answer is no. Re-signing Jon Lester isn't being the Yankees. It's akin to them keeping guys like; Pettite, Posada, Rivers and Jeter together. Building around your core.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 20:56:33 GMT -5
Ya wanna know how far we are from contending? Toronto is kicking the crap out of us without; Encarnacion, Adam Lind and Lawrie. Who are we missing? Nobody. Oh, just our best pitcher we're letting go. You're serve John Henry. The 2013 Red Sox won because your GM had an incredible off-season. One which we haven't really ever seen in Boston. Theo's 03 was very good. That's what it's going to take to win without any star players. Your GM is going to have to have an unreasonably spectacular off-season to contend. Before someone chimes in. Do you want to be the Yankees? The answer is no. Re-signing Jon Lester isn't being the Yankees. It's akin to them keeping guys like; Pettite, Posada, Rivers and Jeter together. Building around your core. your serve
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 29, 2014 21:12:25 GMT -5
Paying a 34-36 year old pitcher $25M/season is purely the Yankees. Again, I don't necessarily think it would be a huge mistake, because given the rest of the projected roster over the next 5-7 years they are probably able to deal with it, or at worst eat half of the remaining deal and trade him. But I think it was Tim Britton who made a good point today. By the backend of the projected Lester deal, you are in the final arbitration years of Xander, JBJ, and potentially Mookie/Swihart/etc. Chances are they aren't $15M/year players in their final year of arbitration, but they certainly won't be at the league minimum by that point.
From what Speier said on WEEI during the game, I think there is a legit shot they trade him and then offer him a massive deal in the offseason, probably under what a team like the Yankees offers, but still legit, that he agrees to
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 29, 2014 21:23:14 GMT -5
Paying a 34-36 year old pitcher $25M/season is purely the Yankees. Again, I don't necessarily think it would be a huge mistake, because given the rest of the projected roster over the next 5-7 years they are probably able to deal with it, or at worst eat half of the remaining deal and trade him. But I think it was Tim Britton who made a good point today. By the backend of the projected Lester deal, you are in the final arbitration years of Xander, JBJ, and potentially Mookie/Swihart/etc. Chances are they aren't $15M/year players in their final year of arbitration, but they certainly won't be at the league minimum by that point. From what Speier said on WEEI during the game, I think there is a legit shot they trade him and then offer him a massive deal in the offseason, probably under what a team like the Yankees offers, but still legit, that he agrees to Some pretty poor contracts helped this team win a couple of championships. Manny, Drew, Dice-K counting the signing fee, Lackey. It's the cost of a big-market team. I argue Gonzo's contract wasn't a bad one. He's still a good player. He actually allowed us to dump Crawford which was a horrible contract. And, nobody could figure out why the hell we even signed him in the first place.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 21:29:47 GMT -5
Workman to start tomorrow in place of Lester.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 29, 2014 21:33:36 GMT -5
5 bucks Bautista takes him deep in the first.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 29, 2014 22:03:36 GMT -5
Workman will not be frazzled. He will continue to go right after hitters. He really belongs in the pen though.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 30, 2014 9:33:10 GMT -5
Before someone chimes in. Do you want to be the Yankees? The answer is no. Re-signing Jon Lester isn't being the Yankees. It's akin to them keeping guys like; Pettite, Posada, Rivers and Jeter together. Building around your core. Peak Red Sox Fan right here. We don't want to be the Yankees, now here's what we have to do because it's exactly what the Yankees would do. You know there's like 28 other teams that might theoretically provide some insight as to how a team should be run, right?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 30, 2014 11:58:24 GMT -5
Before someone chimes in. Do you want to be the Yankees? The answer is no. Re-signing Jon Lester isn't being the Yankees. It's akin to them keeping guys like; Pettite, Posada, Rivers and Jeter together. Building around your core. Peak Red Sox Fan right here. We don't want to be the Yankees, now here's what we have to do because it's exactly what the Yankees would do. You know there's like 28 other teams that might theoretically provide some insight as to how a team should be run, right? Yeah, we can't afford good players. Just bargains. Tickets at Fenway are cheap and hardly any TV money either.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 30, 2014 12:13:21 GMT -5
The Yankees didn't keep Pettitte when he hit free agency. He signed with Houston.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 30, 2014 12:36:09 GMT -5
Paying a 34-36 year old pitcher $25M/season is purely the Yankees. Again, I don't necessarily think it would be a huge mistake, because given the rest of the projected roster over the next 5-7 years they are probably able to deal with it, or at worst eat half of the remaining deal and trade him. But I think it was Tim Britton who made a good point today. By the backend of the projected Lester deal, you are in the final arbitration years of Xander, JBJ, and potentially Mookie/Swihart/etc. Chances are they aren't $15M/year players in their final year of arbitration, but they certainly won't be at the league minimum by that point. From what Speier said on WEEI during the game, I think there is a legit shot they trade him and then offer him a massive deal in the offseason, probably under what a team like the Yankees offers, but still legit, that he agrees to Some pretty poor contracts helped this team win a couple of championships. Manny, Drew, Dice-K counting the signing fee, Lackey. It's the cost of a big-market team. I argue Gonzo's contract wasn't a bad one. He's still a good player. He actually allowed us to dump Crawford which was a horrible contract. And, nobody could figure out why the hell we even signed him in the first place. I don't disagree. Just saying that signing Lester to a 25/year contract through 37 would be a Yankees move, which has completely hamstrung them because they've done it to multiple guys at the same time. It wouldn't hamstring the Sox if it's the only one
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Post by danr on Jul 30, 2014 13:22:27 GMT -5
I would give Lester a market contract because of who he is - a player developed from high school by the Red Sox who overcame cancer and slowly developed into a stud. He is an icon and there aren't many players in that position. He should make a lot of money and he should stay with the Red Sox. It is not as if the Sox are loaded with players like him.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 30, 2014 15:41:48 GMT -5
I would give Lester a market contract because of who he is - a player developed from high school by the Red Sox who overcame cancer and slowly developed into a stud. He is an icon and there aren't many players in that position. He should make a lot of money and he should stay with the Red Sox. It is not as if the Sox are loaded with players like him. Cherrington offered Lester a deal back in spring training, cherrington felt was fair market value. Lester turned it down, as is his right. Time for us to get over it and wish Lester the best of luck wherever he is traded to, or where ever he signs this offseason, and hope he does well against the other 28 teams. It takes two parties to agree to have a deal. Clearly there is no meeting of the minds is this situation.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 30, 2014 16:32:47 GMT -5
Peak Red Sox Fan right here. We don't want to be the Yankees, now here's what we have to do because it's exactly what the Yankees would do. You know there's like 28 other teams that might theoretically provide some insight as to how a team should be run, right? Yeah, we can't afford good players. Just bargains. Tickets at Fenway are cheap and hardly any TV money either. Didn't you just say you don't want to be the Yankees? What would be more Yankees than giving a bunch of money and a long term commitment to an aging player? Seriously, I'm confused.
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