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Draft order (Red Sox will pick #7)
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 28, 2012 9:17:40 GMT -5
KC has 3 left with CLE and 3 with DET; other than that, you're good. Except of course for the childish vulgarity that is referring to the New York Yankes as the MFY rather than the NYY. But then, everybody here does that. I had copied it from amfox1's post and edited it accordingly, just assumed the order of the teams were the order of the series being played. I think it's right now.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 28, 2012 18:23:32 GMT -5
I am calling it now. Boras is gonna get us Appel. In next year's draft.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 28, 2012 20:43:17 GMT -5
#6 MIA -- (90 losses, NYMx3, PHIx2) #7 TOR 2.0 GB (88 losses, MFYx2, MINx3) #8 BOS 2.0 GB (88 losses, BALx2, MFYx3) #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 KC 3.0 GB (87 losses, CLEx2, DETx3)
Mets' win essentially removes them from the calculation (4 losses behind) and clinches a "protected" pick. Miami also wins, bringing them within 2, but we remain only one game ahead of KC.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 29, 2012 1:27:18 GMT -5
Toronto finishes with 3 easy games vs Twins while we get the MFY who could still be playing for the postseason. These never go as they should. Watch us sweep NY and Toronto loses 2/3.
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 29, 2012 10:19:56 GMT -5
I couldn't care less if we have a protected pick or not, it could only be the first 5 picks for all I care. I'll go bananas if we sign any of the FA projected to have Type A status. The only fit I see is Greinke and even then it would have to be a sweet deal to make me consider it.
What I do care is about the chance of drafting the kind of talent we rarely have within our reach, and with the new CBA draft position is gold.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 29, 2012 11:03:32 GMT -5
I am calling it now. Boras is gonna get us Appel. In next year's draft. That would be great, but Appel has (really) no leverage going back to Stanford for his senior year. To me, him not signing with the Pirates this year was absolutely crazy.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 29, 2012 13:31:14 GMT -5
Not having researched the ML Rule Book, I have a question. If the Sox fail to sign their 1st round pick this year and are awarded a top ten pick again next year, are they exempt in both years from relinquishing a 1st round pick should they sign two qualifying offer declined FAs?
Long sentence, I know. But this could me a maneuver to be free from the 1st round penalty two years in a row.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 29, 2012 13:53:18 GMT -5
Not having researched the ML Rule Book, I have a question. If the Sox fail to sign their 1st round pick this year and are awarded a top ten pick again next year, are they exempt in both years from relinquishing a 1st round pick should they sign two qualifying offer declined FAs? Long sentence, I know. But this could me a maneuver to be free from the 1st round penalty two years in a row. That's a great question. In other words, if they DO NOT sign their 1st round pick this year and sign a free agent who has been offered, do they lose their 3rd round pick and not the 2nd....and are they also exempt from losing their 1st round next year also? Hope that was clear and I hope this is what sibbysisti meant.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 29, 2012 14:01:14 GMT -5
That's what I meant, Steve, though it may have been phrased awkwardly. My gut feeling is, if the Sox finish, say in the middle of the pack or higher, next season, they wouldn't be exempt forfeiting a first rounder in 2014 just because they were awarded another top ten pick.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 29, 2012 15:03:47 GMT -5
That's what I meant, Steve, though it may have been phrased awkwardly. My gut feeling is, if the Sox finish, say in the middle of the pack or higher, next season, they wouldn't be exempt forfeiting a first rounder in 2014 just because they were awarded another top ten pick. If I understand the question correctly, isn't that the position the Pirates figure to be in for the upcoming draft (figuring they won't have one of the 9 or 10 worst records in baseball this year)? Of course, it doesn't figure that the Pirates would sign two qualifying type A free agents. But if they were to do so, I'd presume that their comp pick this year is protected, while the pick they earn from this year's record isn't. Each pick is protected, or not, depending whether or not it is in the top 10. If the Pirates were to sign 2 qualifying free agents, either the team losing the first free agent, or the team losing the top-rated free agent (I forget which), would get the Pirates' earned (non-comp) first round pick; the other team would get their 2nd round pick. Or am I speaking out of turn here? Oh, and in other news, Toronto just closed out the Yankees. A loss this evening moves the Sox back into 7th position. The O's should be motivated, given that they can tie for the division lead tonight, while the Sox should be just as motivated as they have been for the past several weeks.
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Post by mjammz on Sept 29, 2012 15:08:06 GMT -5
Toronto beats the Yankees which is great news for the Red Sox in multiple ways. If Red Sox lose the rest of their games they will pick ahead of TOR. And if Balt beats Boston tonight. tied for 1st with NY!
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Post by remember04 on Sept 29, 2012 15:16:03 GMT -5
I am calling it now. Boras is gonna get us Appel. In next year's draft. Nah, Toronto is going to pick him one pick ahead of us and not sign him. The comp pick they get next year will be future hall of famer ?? who will be a Sox killer for years to come and the situation that involved him going to Toronto instead of us will haunt me til the day I die.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 29, 2012 15:24:55 GMT -5
I still don't get what the question is, but I think the easy answer is this:
If you have a top ten pick, you don't have to give it up for signing a qualifying free agent. End of story.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 29, 2012 17:58:11 GMT -5
Let me try to clarify the question with a hypothetical: the Red Sox sign FA Mike Napoli to whom the Rangers have extended a qualifying offer. They don't forfeit a 1st round pick because it is protected.
Then, the Sox, like Pittsburgh last year with Appel/Boras, do not come to an agreement with their first round pick in 2013, thus awarding them another top ten pick in 2014.
In the 2013 season the Sox finish with a record that gives them the 21st pick in the 2014 draft. But, they are awarded a #9 pick because of the 2013 failure to sign their pick. Can they sign a qualifying offer FA again without forfeiting a 1st round selection?
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 29, 2012 18:00:07 GMT -5
They'd lose the 21st pick. What's the doubt?
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 29, 2012 18:04:09 GMT -5
They'd lose the 21st pick. What's the doubt? Of course they'd lose the 21st pick because they have the #9 instead. But can they sign another FA without surrendering a first the next draft?
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 29, 2012 18:16:22 GMT -5
I'm starting to lose track here. The picks you forfeit are the ones you were awarded by your finishing in the season.
Under you scenario, if they sign 2 FA they lose the 21st pick and their 2nd rounder, unless the CBA changed that.
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Post by elguapo on Sept 29, 2012 20:48:05 GMT -5
Toronto came through today big time. KC winning.... the Sox better not screw this up.
add - Well done.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 29, 2012 21:01:13 GMT -5
Miami was winning as well, Phillies screwed it up.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 29, 2012 21:15:29 GMT -5
KC was winning, but Asdrubal gets a 2 out, 2 strike single to tie KC
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 29, 2012 22:45:45 GMT -5
I'm starting to lose track here. The picks you forfeit are the ones you were awarded by your finishing in the season. Under you scenario, if they sign 2 FA they lose the 21st pick and their 2nd rounder, unless the CBA changed that. Yeah Sibby, you're over-thinking this. If a pick is outside the top ten, it can be forfeited. End of story.
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 30, 2012 7:11:12 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 10 draft spot (as of 9/30am):
#6 MIA -- (91 losses, NYMx3, PHIx1) #7 BOS 2.0 GB (89 losses, BALx1, NYYx3) #8 TOR 3.0 GB (88 losses, NYYx1, MINx3) #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 KC 4.0 GB (87 losses, CLEx1, DETx3) #11 NYM 6.0 GB (85 losses, MIAx3, ATLx1)
All teams (BOS/MIA/TOR/KC/NYM) have 4 games left.
Note: the top 10 draft picks are protected and cannot be lost.
It should be noted that BOS loses a tiebreaker with any team. Tiebreaker order (for the better draft pick) is KC, MIA, NYM, TOR and BOS.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 30, 2012 7:12:26 GMT -5
7.Boston 69 89 2 (Balt, NYYx3) 8.Toronto 70 88 3 (NYY, Minnx3) 9.PITT 10.Kansas City 71 87 4 (Clev, DETx3)
#6 pick seems out of reach with Miami 2 games ahead, plus the tiebreaker, so we'd need 3 wins from them (unlikely) KC's win puts them two ahead of us, but we lose the tiebreaker, so only have a one game cushion. Plus, we need Toronto and KC to win so we can beat the Yanks and knock them out of the playoffs.
Some prominent names who we will see at #7/8: 1.Mark Appel, RHP, Stanford 2.Austin Meadows, OF, Grayson HS (GA) 3.Clinton Hollon, RHP, Woodford County HS (KY) 4.Clint Frazier, OF, Loganville HS (GA) 5.Ryne Stanek, RHP, Arkansas 6.Kris Bryant, 3B, San Diego 7.Sean Manaea, LHP, Indiana State 8.Stephen Gonsalves, LHP, Cathedral Catholic HS (CA) 9.Austin Wilson, OF, Stanford 10.Colin Moran, 3B, North Carolina Oscar Mercado, SS, Gaither HS (FL) Bobby Wahl, RHP, Ole Miss Karsten Whitson, RHP, Florida Jeremy Martinez, C, Mater Dei HS (CA)
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 30, 2012 7:29:03 GMT -5
7.Boston 69 89 2 (Balt, NYYx3) 8.Toronto 70 88 3 (NYY, Minnx3) 9.PITT 10.Kansas City 71 87 4 (Clev, DETx3) #6 pick seems out of reach with Miami 2 games ahead, plus the tiebreaker, so we'd need 3 wins from them (unlikely) KC's win puts them two ahead of us, but we lose the tiebreaker, so only have a one game cushion. Plus, we need Toronto and KC to win so we can beat the Yanks and knock them out of the playoffs As your post suggests, the next NYM win or Sox loss guarantees us a protected pick, which was the point of this whole exercise from the beginning ..... in a year when, ironically, the FA class may not justify losing even a second-round pick.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 30, 2012 7:39:56 GMT -5
in a year when, ironically, the FA class may not justify losing even a second-round pick. Honestly, there's a part of me that wants the Red Sox to not get the protected pick, just because they'll have that much less incentive to sign one of these crappy FAs.
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