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Post by borisman on Sept 30, 2012 8:10:56 GMT -5
Ok, so 7 or 8 will do. I guess we'll be starting a 2013 draft thread early this year. As of now I'd like Clint Frazier, Ryne Stanek or Sean Manaea. All three could be gone by then. Darkhorse, if he stays healthy, is Whitson. I already seen people here bashing him so no need to start over. Let's see what he does next spring. He is from Florida after all. If Austin Wilson has a great spring then he'll do just fine, although his bonus demands may put a damper on a slot signing.
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 30, 2012 8:18:08 GMT -5
While agree with both of you in the aversion to FA's, I don't think there will be that many players getting qualifying offers,
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Post by jdb on Sept 30, 2012 8:33:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure about Whitson. I would like to know more about the college bats, Wilson and Bryant, if anyone's seen them at the Cape.
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Post by nomar on Sept 30, 2012 10:39:51 GMT -5
I love Wilson, hopefully someone does a scouting report of them at the Cape.
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Post by jdb on Sept 30, 2012 12:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 30, 2012 15:34:40 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 10 draft spot (as of 10/1am):
#5 CLE -- (92 losses, CWSx3) #6 MIA -- (92 losses, NYMx3) #7 BOS 2.0 GB (90 losses, MFYx3) #8 TOR 3.0 GB (89 losses, MINx3) #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 KC 4.0 GB (88 losses, DETx3)
Note: BOS has clinched a top 10 draft pick, which is protected and cannot be lost. The tragic number for BOS to be unable to reach the #6 spot is 1. The magic number for BOS to clinch the #7 spot is 3.
It should be noted that BOS loses a tiebreaker with any team. Tiebreaker order (for the better draft pick) is KC, MIA, CLE, TOR and BOS.
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Post by charliezink16 on Sept 30, 2012 15:35:57 GMT -5
So with three games to go, Boston will end up picking anywhere between 4 and 10 (other than #9). We currently sit in the 7th spot, but I want to look ahead at how high we can go.
This is highly unlikely, but if Boston gets swept by NYY, they can climb to the 6th pick if one of Minnesota, Miami or Cleveland sweeps their respective series'.
Minnesota @ Toronto (ONLY IF MIN BEATS DET TODAY) 10/1: Vasquez (0-2) vs. Laffey (4-6) 10/2: Deduno (6-5) vs. Villanueva (7-7) 10/3: Diamond (12-8) vs. Morrow (9-7)
Miami vs. NYM 10/1: Johnson (8-14) vs. Familia (0-0) 10/2: Turner (2-5) vs. Dickey (20-6) 10/3: Buehrle (13-13) vs. Hefner (3-7)
Cleveland vs. CWS 10/1: Kluber (2-4) vs. Santiago (3-1) 10/2: Masterson (11-15) vs. Peavy (11-12) 10/3: Huff (3-0) vs. Floyd (11-11)
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Post by remember04 on Sept 30, 2012 16:42:58 GMT -5
I do kind of think its ironic that the sox get this pick in what will probably be the weakest draft of the decade AND there aren't any free agents worth signing.
There's going to be some slot prediction changes between now and the actual draft but if Frazier somehow manages to fall to us I'll be so happy. Other than that I'm a little disappointed that this happens to us and there isn't the real true talent depth in this class that there normally is.
Remember that this year we went very heavy on pitching so I'd expect the same thing next year as well.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 30, 2012 16:45:41 GMT -5
Somone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a higher draft pick also give us more $$$ in international spending?
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Post by templeusox on Sept 30, 2012 17:04:11 GMT -5
I do kind of think its ironic that the sox get this pick in what will probably be the weakest draft of the decade That's an exaggeration.
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Post by remember04 on Sept 30, 2012 17:16:53 GMT -5
I do kind of think its ironic that the sox get this pick in what will probably be the weakest draft of the decade That's an exaggeration. That was what we heard about last years draft and early on we've been told this one is weaker than last years.
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Post by templeusox on Sept 30, 2012 17:21:27 GMT -5
And just as quickly that can all change. Right now the 2012 Draft class is looking fantastic (not the Sox picks, mind you), but everyone else.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 1, 2012 21:34:42 GMT -5
The 7 spot is looking more and more likely. Sox now locked out of spots 1-5. Magic number of 1 relative to Miami below them and KC/Toronto above them.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 1, 2012 23:30:39 GMT -5
SInce I did not seem to get confirmation from anyone.... Does a Higher draft pick also give us more spending money for international players?
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Post by charliezink16 on Oct 2, 2012 0:31:37 GMT -5
2 games to play, Boston can pick 6, 7, 8, or 10 If we lose today, Boston clinches a top 7 pick (Same goes for if KC and TOR win today)
If Boston loses their last 2 and Miami wins their last 2, we pick 6th
Miami vs. NYM 10/2: Turner (2-5) vs. Dickey (20-6) 10/3: Buehrle (13-13) vs. Hefner (3-7)
If Dickey has an off day and Miami wins, they have a favorable matchup with Buehrle on the mound. -Realistically though, we should all be voting for the Yanks to lose and Oakland to win the last 2 so NYY can matchup with Texas in the 1-game.
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Post by bentossaurus on Oct 2, 2012 6:08:06 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 10 draft spot (as of 10/2am):
#6 MIA -- (92 losses, NYMx2) #7 BOS 1.0 GB (91 losses, NYYx2) #8 TOR 3.0 GB (89 losses, MINx2) #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 KC 3.0 GB (89 losses, DETx2)
Note: BOS has clinched a top 10 draft pick, which is protected and cannot be lost. The tragic number for BOS to be unable to reach the #6 spot is 1.
It should be noted that BOS loses a tiebreaker with any team. Tiebreaker order (for the better draft pick) is KC, MIA, TOR and BOS.
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Post by amfox1 on Oct 2, 2012 6:13:03 GMT -5
If the Red Sox lose tonight, they will clinch the #7 spot, unless Miami wins out and Boston loses out, in which case Boston will pick sixth.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Oct 2, 2012 7:42:53 GMT -5
We get a protected pick in a year where the top two free agents are Fruit Loops. Grienke and Hamilton. I'd rather gamble on the position player Fruit Loop.
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Post by bighead on Oct 2, 2012 7:50:34 GMT -5
We get a protected pick in a year where the top two free agents are Fruit Loops. Grienke and Hamilton. I'd rather gamble on the position player Fruit Loop. Its possible that taking the 2nd rounder that we'd keep by not signing a top FA might be the best gamble.
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Post by elguapo on Oct 2, 2012 8:44:29 GMT -5
Its possible that taking the 2nd rounder that we'd keep by not signing a top FA might be the best gamble. This team has a large talent deficit to make up. Can't let the ~40th pick in the draft wag the dog.
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Post by mjammz on Oct 2, 2012 8:52:28 GMT -5
It's pretty clear that Ben Cherington is putting heavy emphasis on scouting and player development. By brining in guys like Eddie Bane and possibly someone else like Tony Lacava a lot of attention will be paid to drafting and signing the right players. I for one think this is the best long term strategy for the Red Sox and something we have lacked for a long time. Theo Epstein started to do it early in his administration, but got away from it as he got more comfortbable.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 2, 2012 9:36:05 GMT -5
It's pretty clear that Ben Cherington is putting heavy emphasis on scouting and player development. By brining in guys like Eddie Bane and possibly someone else like Tony Lacava a lot of attention will be paid to drafting and signing the right players. I for one think this is the best long term strategy for the Red Sox and something we have lacked for a long time. Theo Epstein started to do it early in his administration, but got away from it as he got more comfortbable. I'm not sure that's entirely fair - Theo's best draft may very well have been his last one.
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Post by bighead on Oct 2, 2012 11:26:51 GMT -5
Its possible that taking the 2nd rounder that we'd keep by not signing a top FA might be the best gamble. This team has a large talent deficit to make up. Can't let the ~40th pick in the draft wag the dog. They also cannot sign a top FA, just because they have a protected 1st rounder. That, to me, is talk radio logic. Set aside for a moment that free agency is not only just cost inefficient but also high risk. Best case scenerio is that you get a guy with good, overpriced production for the 1st half of a long term deal and overpriced, underproduction for the last half. Worst case is a lot worse. The Sox have the resources and I am all about using them but they just unloaded Crawford. I have always been a fan of the guy but he was representing worst case. That was with an OF who had a pretty clean injury history and was under 30 years old. Hamilton has an injury history and is over 30. That is before we even talk about exposing a guy who is struggling with sobriety to the pressures of a big money long term deal in a market where the talking heads would love to see him fall to pieces because of page views and radio share. Not a risk worth taking with their new found payroll flexibility in my opinion. Greinkie is a similar situation and the track record for starting pitchers getting long terms deals is not good. This is a second rounder but also an early second rounder (albiet in a draft that is not highly regarded). It could turn into something or it couldn't but the downside is much smaller. Either way the Sox need starting pitching and Hamilton doesn't solve that problem. Handing out big money long term deals through free agency should be treated like pushing all in. If you don't have a flush or a full house don't even consider it.
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Post by bighead on Oct 2, 2012 11:30:48 GMT -5
It's pretty clear that Ben Cherington is putting heavy emphasis on scouting and player development. By brining in guys like Eddie Bane and possibly someone else like Tony Lacava a lot of attention will be paid to drafting and signing the right players. I for one think this is the best long term strategy for the Red Sox and something we have lacked for a long time. Theo Epstein started to do it early in his administration, but got away from it as he got more comfortbable. I'm not sure that's entirely fair - Theo's best draft may very well have been his last one. I also suspect (with nothing to back this up) that later on he was "feeding the monster". Fans becoming spoiled (myself included) who wanted instant gratification and also a business side of the team who wanted news to sell season tickets. Sticking with player development won't give you that big offseason PR to get people to put a truck load down for season tickets too often.
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Post by mainesox on Oct 2, 2012 11:47:29 GMT -5
SInce I did not seem to get confirmation from anyone.... Does a Higher draft pick also give us more spending money for international players? No, everyone has the same spending limit again this season. Spending pools dependent upon winning percentage don't start until 2014, assuming there isn't an international draft by then. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/cba-details-luxury-tax-draft-.html#more
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