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Post by mgoetze on Apr 15, 2016 5:14:41 GMT -5
Very disappointing to hear from the so-called "The Chosen One". He only wants to be recognised as one of the best pitchers in the league? Not THE best in the league? Well, it would be a bit disappointing but I think in the end I could learn to live with it if he ended up being only as good as Thor.
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Post by burythehammer on Apr 15, 2016 5:45:09 GMT -5
As far as his 2016 goals, I think they're all pretty achievable. I think he's a lock for the Futures Game if the Red Sox give it the OK.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 15, 2016 6:03:48 GMT -5
Anderson himself settles it: “My goals are big this year,” Espinoza said through translator Daveson Perez last month. “I want to start off in Greenville, pitch 50 or so innings, and then hopefully be promoted to High A. I want to make the [All-Star] Futures Game this year in San Diego, and hopefully I can have maybe two or three starts in Double A. Those are my goals for the season.
“I know this is a far-fetched goal. There will surely be a lot of people who don’t believe I can do it or who doubt that I can do it. But I know, and I have faith, in that I will make it to that spot that I see myself.”
“If we’re speaking of what’s going to happen in a year, I see myself starting the year in Double A, being there for a little while, then getting called up to the majors, then being in the majors and not get told to go back down,” he said. “I want to be in the running for Cy Youngs in the future. I want to go to All-Star Games in the future. I want to be recognized as one of the best pitchers in the league. I want to have statistics to back that up, and I want to be one of the best pitchers in Red Sox history.” www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/04/14/anderson-espinoza-confident-his-future/PuDSdooJtaVThs7s3HENSJ/story.htmlVery disappointing to hear from the so-called "The Chosen One". He only wants to be recognised as one of the best pitchers in the league? Not THE best in the league? Wouldn't one of the best pitchers in Red Sox history be THE best in the league ? Think Pedro, Roger donut, et al.
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Post by burythehammer on Apr 15, 2016 12:17:28 GMT -5
He was being sarcastic there, chief.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 18, 2016 22:06:19 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2016 0:49:26 GMT -5
My functional definition of dominance has always been SO > IP > (H + BB). If a guy is doing that, he's probably not learning much at that level.
After 3 starts, Neo is 16, 15, 13. Dominance, but not serious dominance. If he steps it up at all, he may be in A+ before he gets to 50 IP.
BTW, it's something neither Hernandez nor Gooden ever did in their careers (except for 2 Felix starts in low-A after failing to do it in A-). Urias did it last year in his 13 AA starts.
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Post by myleskennefick on Apr 19, 2016 8:08:21 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 8:14:52 GMT -5
Oh man, check out the video. There is so much arm side run on his fastball. And it actually looked like a few of those glove side running pitches were cutters.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2016 10:54:39 GMT -5
I'm not even commentating on that
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Post by mobaz on Apr 19, 2016 11:28:11 GMT -5
I'm not even commentating on that God, you've got to say NSFW before you post those things!
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Post by ramireja on Apr 19, 2016 11:35:16 GMT -5
My functional definition of dominance has always been SO > IP > (H + BB). If a guy is doing that, he's probably not learning much at that level. After 3 starts, Neo is 16, 15, 13. Dominance, but not serious dominance. If he steps it up at all, he may be in A+ before he gets to 50 IP. BTW, it's something neither Hernandez nor Gooden ever did in their careers (except for 2 Felix starts in low-A after failing to do it in A-). Urias did it last year in his 13 AA starts. Interesting. We currently have a guy in Double-A at 22, 16.2, 9.....but he's 26 yrs old.....
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2016 12:04:30 GMT -5
My functional definition of dominance has always been SO > IP > (H + BB). If a guy is doing that, he's probably not learning much at that level. After 3 starts, Neo is 16, 15, 13. Dominance, but not serious dominance. If he steps it up at all, he may be in A+ before he gets to 50 IP. BTW, it's something neither Hernandez nor Gooden ever did in their careers (except for 2 Felix starts in low-A after failing to do it in A-). Urias did it last year in his 13 AA starts. Interesting. We currently have a guy in Double-A at 22, 16.2, 9.....but he's 26 yrs old..... I actually almost posted those numbers, first here and in his own thread. They certainly indicate he needs to be in AAA, age notwithstanding.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2016 12:23:06 GMT -5
I'm not even commentating on that God, you've got to say NSFW before you post those things! Absolutely serious psych comment: You can put a subject in an fMRI scanner and see what parts of the brain "light up" when watching porn. What you couldn't tell was which parts are processing the specific erotic content and which, general anticipatory desire. Now, there are many other things you could have subjects watch in order to tease out the difference, but I can't think of a better candidate than having us watch videos like this one. You subtract the two scans, and the area that lights up for real porn but not for Neo-porn is the erotic processing module. Stuff that lights up for both is circuitry for general anticipatory desire. (Stuff that lights up only in the Neo scan does pitch recognition.)
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 19, 2016 13:04:42 GMT -5
Trying to estimate past/future Espinoza starts:
4/8 vs. Asheville 4/13 vs. W.Virginia 4/18 @ Hickory 4/23 vs. Columbia 4/29 @ Lakewood (going to try to see this one)
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 16:01:28 GMT -5
I moved a Kimbrel tangent to the Blue Jays series thread.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 19, 2016 21:31:04 GMT -5
Interesting. We currently have a guy in Double-A at 22, 16.2, 9.....but he's 26 yrs old..... I actually almost posted those numbers, first here and in his own thread. They certainly indicate he needs to be in AAA, age notwithstanding. Just checking, is this one of those times when you're exaggerating but not providing any hints at all when you're doing so, so that when you're called on it later you say you were kidding, or are you actually putting this much stock into three starts? I mean, I actually use the same inquiry in my head (K/9>9, WHIP<1 being the other way to write it) to see if a guy's doing well, but that's the extent of it for me at least.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2016 22:46:14 GMT -5
I actually almost posted those numbers, first here and in his own thread. They certainly indicate he needs to be in AAA, age notwithstanding. Just checking, is this one of those times when you're exaggerating but not providing any hints at all when you're doing so, so that when you're called on it later you say you were kidding, or are you actually putting this much stock into three starts? I mean, I actually use the same inquiry in my head (K/9>9, WHIP<1 being the other way to write it) to see if a guy's doing well, but that's the extent of it for me at least. Mods should move this whole discussion to his thread!
I'm certainly factoring in his last season. In his last 8 starts it's 46.2 IP, 47 SO, 23 H, and 12 BB, and an 0.77 ERA to go with the 0.75 WHIP. His improvement trend over the last two seasons jumps out at you. He had better raw numbers in Salem than in Greenville, and then again in Portland versus Salem. Now he's better again. In terms of just three starts being meaningful, if a guy has a history of losing his mechanics and hence being really inconsistent, I wouldn't say that was enough evidence to say that he needs to be in AAA. But even in that case I don't believe you're really finding out anything about how good he is with those numbers, which is what we know he is capable of doing. Remember that getting easy outs is a skill that minor league pitchers have, and very likely more so against AA hitters than AAA hitters, and when you combine that with AA defense, you can't dismiss the H total as any kind of BABIP luck. To give you a sense of the degree of WHIP dominance, in '99 Pedro had just one stretch of three starts with a lower WHIP -- the one ending with the Yankees game. All of the latter is moot, though, because what he's done over the last two years is pretty convincing evidence that he's too good for his performance against AA hitters to be yielding useful information. His BABIP has gone from .326 to .304 to .252 to .147. That skill needs to be tested against hitters who have some immunity to it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 19, 2016 23:27:18 GMT -5
I just meant generally, not just Wilkerson.
Will agree that it's tough to make anything of Wilkerson's numbers since signing, because he's pretty much been ultra-conservatively assigned until this year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 20, 2016 5:03:22 GMT -5
I just meant generally, not just Wilkerson. Will agree that it's tough to make anything of Wilkerson's numbers since signing, because he's pretty much been ultra-conservatively assigned until this year. He threw 42 innings for Portland last year, had an EL pitcher of the week honor and did quite well although the strikeouts were considerably less. Solely judging by the numbers, it appears that he was pitching to contact more last year. OPS against at Portland was 0.482. Sorry about the topic derailment.
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Post by telluricrook on May 11, 2016 0:28:34 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks its unusual that this is the first post here in about a month? I mean I wonder why.. Is it maybe because there is some disapointment? Or is there nothing good to talk about?
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Post by cologneredsox on May 11, 2016 1:41:28 GMT -5
I guess he gets talked about in the game threads.
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Post by borisman on May 11, 2016 5:45:14 GMT -5
I don't like the 12 BB he's given up this year in 28 IP. I heard he got squeezed in yesterday's game but still...he gave up all of 14 BB in 58 IP. The competition is tougher than last year and he's still VERY young for the league. I think he's holding his own and will improve as the season goes along.
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Post by James Dunne on May 11, 2016 6:12:57 GMT -5
The walk rate is at 9.8%, which is fine. His real problem his been a .382 BABIP in front of a pretty poor Greenville defense, which not only inflates his ERA and WHIP, but also makes his BB/9 artificially high because hes' getting through innings pretty inefficiently. What he's doing in the SAL as an 18-year-old is pretty cool.
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Post by okin15 on May 11, 2016 7:50:02 GMT -5
The walk rate is at 9.8%, which is fine. His real problem his been a .382 BABIP in front of a pretty poor Greenville defense, which not only inflates his ERA and WHIP, but also makes his BB/9 artificially high because hes' getting through innings pretty inefficiently. What he's doing in the SAL as an 18-year-old is pretty cool. The poor defense (and high BABIP) may also make him more reluctant to pitch to contact. Which isn't great for his development and certainly isn't good for his BB rate (either one).
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Post by telson13 on May 11, 2016 9:11:21 GMT -5
God, you've got to say NSFW before you post those things! Absolutely serious psych comment: You can put a subject in an fMRI scanner and see what parts of the brain "light up" when watching porn. What you couldn't tell was which parts are processing the specific erotic content and which, general anticipatory desire. Now, there are many other things you could have subjects watch in order to tease out the difference, but I can't think of a better candidate than having us watch videos like this one. You subtract the two scans, and the area that lights up for real porn but not for Neo-porn is the erotic processing module. Stuff that lights up for both is circuitry for general anticipatory desire. (Stuff that lights up only in the Neo scan does pitch recognition.) And hey, no radioactive glucose coursing through your veins! Actually an interesting thought. Shouldn't have any trouble with an IRB. Totally unrelated (but wholly thread-related). Are Espinoza's troubles getting the ball over the plate indicative of an underlying mechanical issue, or something else? Or is it that he's expanded his repertoire use and struggling with controlling his secondaries? And when do we start getting concerned?
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