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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 13:50:37 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 25, 2015 14:50:25 GMT -5
Hanley Ramirez is working out at first base. I repeat, Hanley Ramirez is working out at first base.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 25, 2015 15:06:05 GMT -5
Hanley Ramirez is working out at first base. I repeat, Hanley Ramirez is working out at first base. Can you believe it?
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Post by ianrs on Aug 25, 2015 15:06:48 GMT -5
Hanley Ramirez is working out at first base. I repeat, Hanley Ramirez is working out at first base. This is the best news of the season (well, aside from the emergence of Rusney, JBJ, and Rodriguez). Hanley's expression accurately captures how I am feeling right now (via Brian MacPherson).
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 15:07:55 GMT -5
Seems like the no-brainier decision unless/until you're able to dump him. Then sort out where JBJ, Betts and Rusney should play in the outfield (should be JBJ in center, Betts in left, and Rusney in right, but I doubt that happens) and you have a spectacular defensive outfield with a whole lot of offensive upside.
The question then becomes what to do with Shaw. But as we've seen many times, a supposed surplus can quickly turn into a shortage of talent.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 15:29:47 GMT -5
...and Louvollo decides to sit Castillo tonight.
What a nitwit.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 25, 2015 15:39:17 GMT -5
...and Louvollo decides to sit Castillo tonight. What a nitwit. So just to make sure, he's supposed to... sit Ramirez? We're angry if he sits Bradley, we're angry if he sits Castillo, I'm sure we're angry if he sits Betts... there are only so many spots in the lineup. Can we agree that playing Ramirez at first base (and sitting Shaw, who some might bet upset about) isn't a good idea on the first day he's worked out there?
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 15:46:29 GMT -5
How about sitting Hanley for a few days till he's ready to play 1st? This team isn't going anywhere, so consistent PT is a lot more valuable to the young guys than Hanley.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 25, 2015 16:12:24 GMT -5
How about sitting Hanley for a few days till he's ready to play 1st? This team isn't going anywhere, so consistent PT is a lot more valuable to the young guys than Hanley. I'm not sure I entirely agree. Getting Hanley going at the bat is arguably just as valuable. He's either going to be around for the next 3-4 years to be counted on as a middle-of-the-order force, in which case you'd like to get him going at the plate as well, or he's going to be traded, in which case you'd like him to get going at the plate so that you fetch more for him in a trade and/or don't have to eat as much salary. Agreed that this is a less-than-ideal situation, but I'm not sure "play the kids, f- Hanley" is the way to go here.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 16:19:53 GMT -5
How about sitting Hanley for a few days till he's ready to play 1st? This team isn't going anywhere, so consistent PT is a lot more valuable to the young guys than Hanley. I'm not sure I entirely agree. Getting Hanley going at the bat is arguably just as valuable. He's either going to be around for the next 3-4 years to be counted on as a middle-of-the-order force, in which case you'd like to get him going at the plate as well, or he's going to be traded, in which case you'd like him to get going at the plate so that you fetch more for him in a trade and/or don't have to eat as much salary. Agreed that this is a less-than-ideal situation, but I'm not sure "play the kids, f- Hanley" is the way to go here. Talk about a complete straw man... How did sit Hanley a few fats translate to F Hanley in your brain?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 25, 2015 17:01:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure I entirely agree. Getting Hanley going at the bat is arguably just as valuable. He's either going to be around for the next 3-4 years to be counted on as a middle-of-the-order force, in which case you'd like to get him going at the plate as well, or he's going to be traded, in which case you'd like him to get going at the plate so that you fetch more for him in a trade and/or don't have to eat as much salary. Agreed that this is a less-than-ideal situation, but I'm not sure "play the kids, f- Hanley" is the way to go here. Talk about a complete straw man... How did sit Hanley a few fats translate to F Hanley in your brain? Pardon the exaggeration in that line. But am I wrong that your point was more or less that the kids should be playing at Hanley's expense? My point was that they shouldn't.
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Post by pedroiaesque on Aug 25, 2015 17:02:46 GMT -5
Sounds like this is not just for fun and Hanley is being penciled in as the 1B for the 2016 Sox.
Of course, anything could happen between now and April, but at least this frees up playing time for Betts, JBJ, and Castillo down the stretch.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 17:09:05 GMT -5
@chris Hatfield No, and I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion.
I said Hanley should sit for a few days until he's ready to play 1st base, while the three young OFers take over at what'll likely be their respective positions. If the plan is for Hanley to take over at 1st next year - and all reports seem to indicate he will - how does is benefit anyone for him to keep playing LF at the expense of the young guys?
Giving everyone a head start for next year makes more sense IMO.
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 25, 2015 17:23:05 GMT -5
Sounds like this is not just for fun and Hanley is being penciled in as the 1B for the 2016 Sox. Of course, anything could happen between now and April, but at least this frees up playing time for Betts, JBJ, and Castillo down the stretch. Hmmm, if only someone thought of this before so we weren't wasting playing time with him in LF at the end of August. This should have been done as soon as we saw how bad he was in LF and as soon as Napoli was hitting sub .200 beginning of July. And let me be clear, this move to 1B thing might go just as bad as the move to LF goes. But it would have been nice to figure that out now in meaningless games than next year.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 25, 2015 17:24:16 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 11m11 minutes ago Lovullo said trying Ramirez out at first base hadn't been discussed before Dombrowski came on board last week.
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Post by nomar on Aug 25, 2015 17:24:39 GMT -5
Sounds like this is not just for fun and Hanley is being penciled in as the 1B for the 2016 Sox. Of course, anything could happen between now and April, but at least this frees up playing time for Betts, JBJ, and Castillo down the stretch. Hope it works out for him, because he's going to be a tough sell at this point to another team.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 25, 2015 18:10:54 GMT -5
@chris Hatfield No, and I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. I said Hanley should sit for a few days until he's ready to play 1st base, while the three young OFers take over at what'll likely be their respective positions. If the plan is for Hanley to take over at 1st next year - and all reports seem to indicate he will - how does is benefit anyone for him to keep playing LF at the expense of the young guys? Giving everyone a head start for next year makes more sense IMO. I reached the same conclusion. Seems like you've been complaining about Hanley's playing time for a while now. He can only play left (in terms of OF positions) and he's going to get playing time. As Chris mentioned, they need to get his offense going - either to improve the team or to increase the chances of being able to move him in the offseason.
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Post by atzar on Aug 25, 2015 18:15:21 GMT -5
Sounds like this is not just for fun and Hanley is being penciled in as the 1B for the 2016 Sox. Of course, anything could happen between now and April, but at least this frees up playing time for Betts, JBJ, and Castillo down the stretch. Hope it works out for him. I'm in the minority I know, but I never got the sense that it's been an effort issue with him this year. So I hope he finds a way to make a positive impact next year - we could use his bat when he's going strong.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 18:23:50 GMT -5
@chris Hatfield No, and I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. I said Hanley should sit for a few days until he's ready to play 1st base, while the three young OFers take over at what'll likely be their respective positions. If the plan is for Hanley to take over at 1st next year - and all reports seem to indicate he will - how does is benefit anyone for him to keep playing LF at the expense of the young guys? Giving everyone a head start for next year makes more sense IMO. I reached the same conclusion. Seems like you've been complaining about Hanley's playing time for a while now. He can only play left (in terms of OF positions) and he's going to get playing time. As Chris mentioned, they need to get his offense going - either to improve the team or to increase the chances of being able to move him in the offseason. You're also making things up. I've criticized a lot of guys on the team, but Hanley hasn't really been one of them.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 25, 2015 19:05:46 GMT -5
I reached the same conclusion. Seems like you've been complaining about Hanley's playing time for a while now. He can only play left (in terms of OF positions) and he's going to get playing time. As Chris mentioned, they need to get his offense going - either to improve the team or to increase the chances of being able to move him in the offseason. You're also making things up. I've criticized a lot of guys on the team, but Hanley hasn't really been one of them. OK. Maybe not complaining about Hanley's playing time, but the lack of pt for castillo, Betts, & Bradley - which means - by infrence - Hanley's playing time. Perhaps I'm wrong, though.
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 25, 2015 19:10:50 GMT -5
Did I miss Swihart getting banged up? He must be right?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 19:45:29 GMT -5
Did I miss Swihart getting banged up? He must be right? Yes he must be, but this information must be kept super secret to avoid giving the other teams too much information costing us wins. /sarcasm for those who can't comprehend
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 19:47:22 GMT -5
Sounds like this is not just for fun and Hanley is being penciled in as the 1B for the 2016 Sox. Of course, anything could happen between now and April, but at least this frees up playing time for Betts, JBJ, and Castillo down the stretch. Not buying it for a second. Sounds like a GM who wants to sound not desperate to get rid of a guy who is less than worthless. Hanley is barely hitting enough for a decent defensive shortstop.
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Post by atzar on Aug 25, 2015 19:53:26 GMT -5
<3 Mookie
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 25, 2015 19:53:56 GMT -5
When they signed Hanley I thought to myself "Of course he can play LF, he used to be a SS". I was surprised to see that he was so bad at LF. I guess it's a lesson learned. We can't assume players can adapt to what appears to be a logical positional option. Manny could play LF but Hanley couldn't"? Who would have thought that really?
I'm not so sure he can play 1st base either. How about 3rd? They should try him where ever THIS YEAR so they know their options.
To Hanley's credit, the guy hits a lot of ropes which look like HR in other parks. And he could be a good DH. If he can play 3rd or 1st maybe they hold onto him until Ortiz is gone.
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