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Post by grandsalami on Sept 27, 2015 15:18:43 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 27, 2015 15:32:28 GMT -5
Paps actually tires to CHOKE harper
The nats better cut his ____
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 27, 2015 16:17:06 GMT -5
And he was actually allowed to go out and pitch after attacking a teammate...wow. Matt Williams has to be finished, right?
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 27, 2015 21:54:24 GMT -5
 m He didn't know there was a fight in the dugout? How the hell did he win MOY last year? |
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2015 13:15:39 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Sept 28, 2015 13:37:43 GMT -5
Whats infuriating about this? The timing of Pap's actions were wrong, but several of the quotes comment on that. I'm down with the general idea of someone needing to send Harper a message. I think thats the tone of the article and I wouldn't call that infuriating. |
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 28, 2015 13:49:41 GMT -5
JJ Cooper @jjcoop36 1h1 hour ago
Criticism of Bryce Harper today reminds me of what you read in Ted Williams' biographies. Criticized when he was best player in the league.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 28, 2015 13:52:55 GMT -5
Ramirez for Pap?
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 28, 2015 13:54:42 GMT -5
JJ Cooper @jjcoop36 1h1 hour ago Criticism of Bryce Harper today reminds me of what you read in Ted Williams' biographies. Criticized when he was best player in the league. I was thinking of Manny. And Pedro. And Ortiz. |
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Post by ethanbein on Sept 28, 2015 13:55:29 GMT -5
Whats infuriating about this? The timing of Pap's actions were wrong, but several of the quotes comment on that. I'm down with the general idea of someone needing to send Harper a message. I think thats the tone of the article and I wouldn't call that infuriating. Which of Harper's actions were so egregious that somebody needed to choke him in response? |
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 28, 2015 14:02:58 GMT -5
Whats infuriating about this? The timing of Pap's actions were wrong, but several of the quotes comment on that. I'm down with the general idea of someone needing to send Harper a message. I think thats the tone of the article and I wouldn't call that infuriating. Which of Harper's actions were so egregious that somebody needed to choke him in response? Being better at baseball than all the bitter old washouts talking about how it's okay that he got choked. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2015 14:12:08 GMT -5
Whats infuriating about this? The timing of Pap's actions were wrong, but several of the quotes comment on that. I'm down with the general idea of someone needing to send Harper a message. I think thats the tone of the article and I wouldn't call that infuriating. So you're OK with Papelbon trying to choke out Harper, so long as he does it in the clubhouse rather than in the dugout? |
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2015 14:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 28, 2015 14:25:56 GMT -5
Wasn't the narrative with Harper before that he was trying TOO HARD, and that he had to learn like sprinting on routine pop outs was going to do nothing but get him hurt?
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Post by ramireja on Sept 28, 2015 15:07:53 GMT -5
I think Papelbon's frustration (and apparently the frustration of the majority of active players) runs deeper than a single case in which Harper didn't run out a fly ball. I think many feel that at age 22, Harper is acting bigger than the game and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. At some point, thats going to boil over into some sort of altercation. I'm not really advocating physical altercations, but its clearly been a part of the entire existence of the game. I'd be lying if I said a small part of me didn't enjoy seeing someone stand up to Harper's prima donna ways. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2015 15:10:25 GMT -5
It's really hard to go along with the excuse of "all of baseball is wrong". I've never met anyone who is universally disliked who didn't deserve it. Being the best doesn't change expectations of how someone should act in order to like or respect them. |
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 28, 2015 15:20:14 GMT -5
I'm hoping all the people who side against Harper really enjoyed the Tom Brady witch hunt. Because it is the Exact Same Thing.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2015 15:24:34 GMT -5
I'm hoping all the people who side against Harper really enjoyed the Tom Brady witch hunt. Because it is the Exact Same Thing. Brady had a lot of people stick up for him. Harper hasn't. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2015 15:30:14 GMT -5
I think Papelbon's frustration (and apparently the frustration of the majority of active players) runs deeper than a single case in which Harper didn't run out a fly ball. I think many feel that at age 22, Harper is acting bigger than the game and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. At some point, thats going to boil over into some sort of altercation. I'm not really advocating physical altercations, but its clearly been a part of the entire existence of the game. I'd be lying if I said a small part of me didn't enjoy seeing someone stand up to Harper's prima donna ways. "acting bigger than the game"-- why is this (a) a bad thing at all and (b) bad enough to justify physical assault? If the only reason is "that's the way we've always done it," that's not good enough. I'm not saying you have to like Harper's personality, but you shouldn't go around confronting everyone you dislike. Just passive-aggressively talk **** behind his back like everyone else does. PS: you should, on the other hand, absolutely respect Harper. In his age-22 season, he's having the best offensive season since peak Barry Bonds. He might be arrogant, but there should be no question about his effort levels or work ethic. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2015 15:30:46 GMT -5
I'm hoping all the people who side against Harper really enjoyed the Tom Brady witch hunt. Because it is the Exact Same Thing. Brady had a lot of people stick up for him. Harper hasn't. ![]() |
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Post by ramireja on Sept 28, 2015 15:31:48 GMT -5
I'm hoping all the people who side against Harper really enjoyed the Tom Brady witch hunt. Because it is the Exact Same Thing. Yeah, its really not. Many of Harper's supporters want to believe the hate stems from his success, but it seems obvious to me its at least coupled with his overall attitude and persona (in other words, being a giant dick, which Brady is not). Is that worthy of being "choked out" or more accurately, shoved? Probably not, but it is worthy of someone at least calling him out.....and once you bark back (which Harper did), you run the risk of things turning physical. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Sept 28, 2015 15:39:17 GMT -5
I'm hoping all the people who side against Harper really enjoyed the Tom Brady witch hunt. Because it is the Exact Same Thing. Yeah, its really not. Many of Harper's supporters want to believe the hate stems from his success, but it seems obvious to me its at least coupled with his overall attitude and persona (in other words, being a giant dick, which Brady is not). Is that worthy of being "choked out" or more accurately, shoved? Probably not, but it is worthy of someone at least calling him out.....and once you bark back (which Harper did), you run the risk of things turning physical. What did Harper ever do. I mean really? |
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Post by ramireja on Sept 28, 2015 15:40:14 GMT -5
I think Papelbon's frustration (and apparently the frustration of the majority of active players) runs deeper than a single case in which Harper didn't run out a fly ball. I think many feel that at age 22, Harper is acting bigger than the game and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. At some point, thats going to boil over into some sort of altercation. I'm not really advocating physical altercations, but its clearly been a part of the entire existence of the game. I'd be lying if I said a small part of me didn't enjoy seeing someone stand up to Harper's prima donna ways. "acting bigger than the game"-- why is this (a) a bad thing at all and (b) bad enough to justify physical assault? If the only reason is "that's the way we've always done it," that's not good enough. I'm not saying you have to like Harper's personality, but you shouldn't go around confronting everyone you dislike. Just passive-aggressively talk **** behind his back like everyone else does. PS: you should, on the other hand, absolutely respect Harper. In his age-22 season, he's having the best offensive season since peak Barry Bonds. He might be arrogant, but there should be no question about his effort levels or work ethic. Why is it a bad thing? Simply put, its about respect. Respect the game, respect your teammates, and respect your peers. I don't see in that his game or his interviews, and apparently neither does the league. But take Mike Trout for example....roughly the same age and the same talent level, and I don't think this situation would elicit the same response from other players if it had been Trout who was confronted. So its not all about success, its about Harper being a giant $%#@. If you act like one, someone might put you in your place after a while. Also, I do respect Harper's talents. How can you not? He's going to be a star in this league for a long time. But just like Barry Bonds, that doesn't necessarily make you a desirable teammate, and thats something that needs to be considered when building a team. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2015 15:40:35 GMT -5
I'm hoping all the people who side against Harper really enjoyed the Tom Brady witch hunt. Because it is the Exact Same Thing. Yeah, its really not. Many of Harper's supporters want to believe the hate stems from his success, but it seems obvious to me its at least coupled with his overall attitude and persona ( in other words, being a giant dick, which Brady is not). Is that worthy of being "choked out" or more accurately, shoved? Probably not, but it is worthy of someone at least calling him out.....and once you bark back (which Harper did), you run the risk of things turning physical. Your laundry is showing. Plenty of fans and players (of other teams) think Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are arrogant jerks: www.google.com/webhp#q=tom+brady+arrogant |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2015 15:41:09 GMT -5
I think Papelbon's frustration (and apparently the frustration of the majority of active players) runs deeper than a single case in which Harper didn't run out a fly ball. I think many feel that at age 22, Harper is acting bigger than the game and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. At some point, thats going to boil over into some sort of altercation. I'm not really advocating physical altercations, but its clearly been a part of the entire existence of the game. I'd be lying if I said a small part of me didn't enjoy seeing someone stand up to Harper's prima donna ways. "acting bigger than the game"-- why is this (a) a bad thing at all and (b) bad enough to justify physical assault? If the only reason is "that's the way we've always done it," that's not good enough. I'm not saying you have to like Harper's personality, but you shouldn't go around confronting everyone you dislike. Just passive-aggressively talk **** behind his back like everyone else does. PS: you should, on the other hand, absolutely respect Harper. In his age-22 season, he's having the best offensive season since peak Barry Bonds. He might be arrogant, but there should be no question about his effort levels or work ethic. Harper probably shouldn't have started it in the newspapers with the Machado thing then. Being a dick is what gets you into fights, whether you want to justify it or not. Eventually someone snaps. I didn't go defending the a-holes I'd go out with in college when they'd get drunk and get beat up and didn't come up with anti-violence rhetoric like my mom would when I was 12 and got into a fight because I was getting bullied. That's life. Don't be a dick is the lesson. |
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