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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 17, 2017 8:38:24 GMT -5
JBJ is a fixture - remarkable defense and hitting plenty to hold down the job...which is great. Seems like a truly positive addition to the ball club, character-wise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 19:04:01 GMT -5
JBJ is a fixture - remarkable defense and hitting plenty to hold down the job...which is great. Seems like a truly positive addition to the ball club, character-wise. Which is why they should keep him until his contract runs out if not further.
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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 4, 2018 12:26:59 GMT -5
I think the best bet for the Sox is to keep JBJ until the end of his contract. At that point he will be 30yrs old and a Boras client.
He is a streaky hitter, but if he can maintain a .255ish average with 20 Hrs and great defense on a relatively cheap three years, why trade that away? Of course, there are scenarios where you'd have to consider the roster construction, but I'd like to keep him (I didn't always feel that way).
Maybe trade him in his last year to avoid a large Boras deal and still get a return...
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 4, 2018 13:25:09 GMT -5
I think the best bet for the Sox is to keep JBJ until the end of his contract. At that point he will be 30yrs old and a Boras client. He is a streaky hitter, but if he can maintain a .255ish average with 20 Hrs and great defense on a relatively cheap three years, why trade that away? Of course, there are scenarios where you'd have to consider the roster construction, but I'd like to keep him (I didn't always feel that way). Maybe trade him in his last year to avoid a large Boras deal and still get a return... My sentiments exactly and I have always felt this way!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 13:53:30 GMT -5
When I got home from the hospital I went through my Sox collection. I have more JBJ stuff than any other player. Didn't know why until I watched MLB Networks Top 100 plays 2017. After seeing the 4-5 plays that had shown of him I KNEW WHY!! There's no way they can trade JBJ!!
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 4, 2018 13:56:03 GMT -5
When I got home from the hospital I went through my Sox collection. I have more JBJ stuff than any other player. Didn't know why until I watched MLB Networks Top 100 plays 2017. After seeing the 4-5 plays that had shown of him I KNEW WHY!! There's no way they can trade JBJ!! If you haven't already go check out the video of him throwing the ball out of Fenway dead center from home plate, impressive!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 14:00:11 GMT -5
I have seen it. Love it
PUT THAT ARM ON A BATTLESHIP!!!
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Post by soxjim on Jan 5, 2018 0:04:08 GMT -5
I'd more aggressively open up offers to trade JBJ after this season. I would be working out Chavis for left field. Doesn't look like Sox are going to do that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 5, 2018 7:38:21 GMT -5
I'd more aggressively open up offers to trade JBJ after this season. I would be working out Chavis for left field. Doesn't look like Sox are going to do that. That's what I would do, too. JBJ can be an excellent player, but the "we can't trade JBJ" stuff seems kind of short-sighted to me. It's not like he's Freddy Lynn circa 1975. His defense is excellent, but I wouldn't anticipate more than a few years of top notch defense in CF. His bat is still questionable. The last three years he has ridden three hot streaks and done very little else. He hit very well in Aug/Sep 2015, scorching hot in May/Jun 2016, and had a hot May (or was it June) in 2017. And did very little else offensively every other month (but I'll grant he wasn't horrible offensively EVERY other month). He is consistently inconsistent on offense still. Overall he's still quite a valuable player at the present time, though, when you balance his offense and defense, but that doesn't make him somebody you "can't trade". I wouldn't trade JBJ to open up LF for JDM for instance. Given the cost, the downgrade in defense, the upgrade in offense wouldn't be worth it. But at some point, if there was a good LF who can really rake, Betts or Benintendi could move to CF and RF and the Sox would still be fine defensively. If Stanton had come Boston's way in a trade and JBJ was the player going out, I would have been quite fine with that. As it is, I think the likelihood of the Red Sox making a deal for an OF that makes JBJ expendable this season is quite low. I think the Red Sox can either 1) play out his entire service time thru 2020 and let him walk, 2) play thru 2019 and trade him before his last service time year or 3) play thru this season and trade him after the season. Barring a disastrous season his highest value would be after this season, and if the Red Sox have a guy who can be a decent LF, and the return is really maximized then JBJ could be quite expendable after the season. As Soxjim mentioned, I'd look at Chavis in LF, but if it's not a "natural" defensive fit, then it might not work. Chavis was a SS at some point so it's not out of the realm of possibility to move to LF. But some of us thought the same thing with Hanley, too. Haha. It all comes down to can they replace the offense to offset the defense (which could decline over the next few years as he draws closer to 30) at a palatable cost and receive maximization of value in a deal for Bradley. That's what will drive the decision, and also where the Red Sox are at as a team. Do they need the additional offense? Where are they in their window and what does a deal do for it? The only thing I'm certain is that it makes very little sense to "extend" JBJ or even try to. His biggest asset is his glove. I would hate to pay big $ to watch him decline defensively beyond 30 and watch him forced into a corner OF spot where he doesn't hit well enough to justify it. Of all the Sox free agents upcoming, his is the easiest decision. The Red Sox will cut ties at some point with JBJ over the next three seasons. It's a question of when as it relates to the best timing and value for the team.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 5, 2018 13:39:50 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 5, 2018 14:37:56 GMT -5
Just another man down last year, I had forgotten about that. It would be nice to have 2 or 3 of those hot JBJ months, his ops was 835 in 2016. At 28 this could be his career year which would certainly help his trade value.
One of the reasons I can't wait for this season. So many guys who can contribute a lot more when healthy. So many players who are either in their prime or heading there. Outside of Sale, Kimbrel, Pomeranz and CV who don't we expect more out of next year?
Getting anxious.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 5, 2018 15:07:30 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest JBJ supporter but I am glad the Sox turned down that offer. Puig is one of those players I just can't stand.
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Post by Canseco on Jan 5, 2018 15:13:08 GMT -5
Extend Bradley, if possible, as he is a winning player. His defense is an every day asset... anything he gives us beyond .240 and 15 HRs is gravy. His game may not be as sexy as a major slugger, but he won't eat up a massive chunk of the payroll and will provide great up-the-middle defense, which is invaluable. We aren't going to have superstars 1-9, and we know Jackie can produce in the Boston fish bowl. That should be worth a lot to us.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 5, 2018 17:19:18 GMT -5
Extend Bradley, if possible, as he is a winning player. His defense is an every day asset... anything he gives us beyond .240 and 15 HRs is gravy. His game may not be as sexy as a major slugger, but he won't eat up a massive chunk of the payroll and will provide great up-the-middle defense, which is invaluable. We aren't going to have superstars 1-9, and we know Jackie can produce in the Boston fish bowl. That should be worth a lot to us. His defense is an every day asset right now and I can still see it being good for the remainder of his service time, but I'd be surprised if he stayed in CF much beyond age 30 or was the asset then that he is now in CF. A huge part of his value is tied up in his defense which is likely decline beyond his age 30 season, and is not something I would think you'd want to pay huge $ for?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 5, 2018 17:42:34 GMT -5
I was very happy to hear this and hope people pay attention to not just the fact this trade was rejected but why. Bradley is a valuable player under team control for 3 years. There is a reason he was on the Fangraphs top 50 trade value list. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-1-to-10/
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jan 5, 2018 18:42:47 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 5, 2018 18:51:13 GMT -5
I like that fangraphs chart but shouldn't Devers be on it? AB was on last years.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 5, 2018 19:21:27 GMT -5
“Trade Jackie Bradley for a player who’s not actually better than Jackie Bradley” is now officially a genre and I hate it so much.
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Post by patford on Jan 5, 2018 20:20:16 GMT -5
I strongly believe Bradley has unrealized offensive potential and is the sort of player (like Dwight Evans) who will continue to improve at the plate for some time. It would not surprise me at all if he develops into a .300 hitter with 25-30 HR.
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Post by p23w on Jan 5, 2018 20:41:06 GMT -5
I think this forum overrates JBJ. What I like best about him are his routes and his arm. What I am not enamored with is his pitch selection. Personally I believe there are 4-5 CFers in the league every bit as good defensively as JBJ. I believe there are about ten CFers that are better offensively. That said, I'd be loathe to upset the chemistry of the clubhouse for a new manager to exchange Bradley for Puig, or to make room for a future DH. My .02.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 6, 2018 16:33:08 GMT -5
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Post by prangerx on Jan 7, 2018 12:19:11 GMT -5
I was very happy to hear this and hope people pay attention to not just the fact this trade was rejected but why. Bradley is a valuable player under team control for 3 years. There is a reason he was on the Fangraphs top 50 trade value list. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-1-to-10/My first reaction was to laugh at the Red Sox for being delusional. Bradley is an average player and with exceptional defense. I wouldn't hesitate trading him in the right deal. Puig is the better player and hits for more power. Something this team reall needs. I would be surprised if the Dodgers offered him straight up. But to totally turn down the deal without discussing it? It shows me that the Red Sox are way overvaluing Bradley.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 7, 2018 12:23:01 GMT -5
I was very happy to hear this and hope people pay attention to not just the fact this trade was rejected but why. Bradley is a valuable player under team control for 3 years. There is a reason he was on the Fangraphs top 50 trade value list. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-1-to-10/My first reaction was to luagh at the Red Sox for being delusional. Bradley is an average player and with exceptional defense. I wouldn't hesitate trading him in the right deal. Puig is the better player and hits for more power. Something this team reall needs. I would be surprised if the Dodgers offered him straight up. But to totally turn down the deal without discussing it? It shows me that the Red Sox are way overvaluing Bradley. And what does the Dodgers offering Puig for JBJ tell you? In the last 3 years, JBJ has put up 9.8 fWAR and Puig has put up 5.4 fWAR. JBJ has an additional year of control and isn't a headcase like Puig is. The Red Sox were absolutely right to just say no and not bother to negotiate further on that joke of an offer.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 7, 2018 12:43:02 GMT -5
On pure talent I'd probably rather have Puig, but it's very close and the difference in controllable years makes it a non-starter.
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Post by prangerx on Jan 7, 2018 13:00:20 GMT -5
My first reaction was to luagh at the Red Sox for being delusional. Bradley is an average player and with exceptional defense. I wouldn't hesitate trading him in the right deal. Puig is the better player and hits for more power. Something this team reall needs. I would be surprised if the Dodgers offered him straight up. But to totally turn down the deal without discussing it? It shows me that the Red Sox are way overvaluing Bradley. And what does the Dodgers offering Puig for JBJ tell you? In the last 3 years, JBJ has put up 9.8 fWAR and Puig has put up 5.4 fWAR. JBJ has an additional year of control and isn't a headcase like Puig is. The Red Sox were absolutely right to just say no and not bother to negotiate further on that joke of an offer. It tells me that the Dodgers are overrating him too. War can be misleading sometimes. In this case its because Jackie is so good defensively. Thats skewing the numbers. Remember Puig is coming off a bounce back year, so his down years skew his numbers down.
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