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Red Sox sign Chris Young (OF)
nomar
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Post by nomar on Nov 30, 2015 14:09:11 GMT -5
He was worth1.2 fWAR in 350 PA, over half of which were against RHP. He's probably a better hitter against both RHP and LHP than Castillo, and his glove isn't bad. Unless Castillo makes huge improvements, they're not far apart in production.
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Post by Alonzo on Nov 30, 2015 14:09:37 GMT -5
Two things: -Dave Cameron notes that Chris Young is an extreme pull hitter and an extreme fly ball hitter, both traits that fit Fenway like a glove: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/red-sox-sign-chris-young-the-shorter/-Chris Young is clearly a platoon player, but he's not that bad versus righties. He has a 82 wRC+ versus RHP over the last three years (654 PAs) and an 83 wRC+ versus RHP over his career, which is bad, but not unplayably bad (it's above replacement level, if not by much). He might be a better hitter versus RHP than Rusney Castillo, for instance (not that that's a high bar or anything). This may raise the question if Rusney is the odd man out in this scenario. Castillo's got upside, but as of today, not sure I would take the Cuban ahead of Young. The Ex-Yankee is a pretty good fit for Fenway LF, on offense AND on defense. Rusney might be a little "wasted" (if that's even a real thing to say after watching the Hanley-debacle) in front of the Wall, even though he played it really well in a s short sample size. Issue is Rusney does have basically neutral value. Some teams would take him, but not for much more than the salary he is owed. It's still tough for me to think that Young wouldn't have gotten a starting gig elsewhere, maybe not on a contender, but some players emphasize playing time. That's why I am cautious about the 4th OF thing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2015 14:11:19 GMT -5
Note a 40-man move will be needed (I got confused by the coincidental announcement that Rutledge cleared waivers). Mendez, Coyle, Escobar seem to be the likeliest to go, to me.
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 30, 2015 14:12:44 GMT -5
Needed another OF. DD said a 4th OF and TOR starter and Bullpen(specifically hard throwing) were the focus. 2/3 have so far been addressed.
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Post by heisenberg on Nov 30, 2015 14:13:54 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Chris Young. But, I do see how he'd fit as an insurance policy against Bradley's streakiness and Rusney going on the DL. That being said, it'll be interesting to see the premium payment on this insurance policy.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 30, 2015 14:15:18 GMT -5
I'm guessing 2/20
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 30, 2015 14:16:35 GMT -5
This is two moves now where DDo did exactly what he said he would do. Maybe we should listen to his words, instead of reading between them. Ha said BBC was the starting OF, and he needed a RH OF, he got one. Said he needed an end of the bullpen guy and he got one. Said he needed a TOR guy, and by all accounts he's about to get one. He'll be done with his announced shopping list, and can wait for overpay offers to do anymore.
Nice spot to be in when your team is set by the close of the Winter Meetings.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 30, 2015 14:16:37 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Chris Young. But, I do see how he'd fit as an insurance policy against Bradley's streakiness and Rusney going on the DL. That being said, it'll be interesting to see the premium payment on this insurance policy. We've always signed this type of guy who sends a ton of fly balls at the monster. Gomes, Cody Ross, etc. Makes a good amount of sense, and high dollars on short years to sway depth pieces is a fantastic advantage big money clubs have over smaller markets.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 30, 2015 14:42:00 GMT -5
Maybe have a more home/road platoon with Young being played more @ Fenway regardless of RHP/LHP. Rusney play more on the road where his superior OF ability will play up. As jmei said, Young is not terrible against righties. He may have signed a platoon/part time role with the Red Sox because of Fenway.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 30, 2015 15:15:15 GMT -5
Hmm. just noting that the LHH Holt the last two years has a small reverse split.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 30, 2015 16:16:53 GMT -5
This is exactly the type of player that the Red Sox needed for their OF. Should be a good platoon bat if everyone is healthy/good, and if he's pressed into everyday service because everyone isn't healthy/good, he won't kill the team. Excellent signing unless you're real keen on Bryce Brentz getting a bunch of ABs for the Sox next year.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2015 16:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2015 16:26:20 GMT -5
Yeah, those reasons aren't really mutually exclusive. He's probably both a JBJ platoon partner and a Castillo caddy. Depending on the dollars, I think it's a fine signing. It's an ok signing, but I don't get the platoon part. Both Bradley and Castillo have hit lefties better then righties so far in their careers. Betts hits both about the same. This is why DeAza was my choice as he kills righties. Lets not forget that there are far more righties in the majors then lefties.
So unless Dave doesn't care about lefty versus righty numbers this screams that a trade could be coming or that at least they are considering one.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2015 16:27:15 GMT -5
That would be a gross overpay.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2015 16:30:35 GMT -5
This is exactly the type of player that the Red Sox needed for their OF. Should be a good platoon bat if everyone is healthy/good, and if he's pressed into everyday service because everyone isn't healthy/good, he won't kill the team. Excellent signing unless you're real keen on Bryce Brentz getting a bunch of ABs for the Sox next year. Platoon with who? Bradley and Castillo both have hit lefties better then righties so far and Chris Young is a lot better against lefties. If our 4 OF are Betts, Bradley, Castillo and Young that doesn't make a ton of sense. We will kill lefties and struggle against righties.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 30, 2015 16:31:40 GMT -5
I'd be happier about the deal if JF used platoons logically. But he's a fine fourth outfielder. I just don't want to see JF yank a brilliant defender in JBJ out of the lineup because he's not hitting only to replace him with starts from Young, and I see that happening far too often for my liking based on JF's previous years
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 30, 2015 16:36:53 GMT -5
I like Chris Young as a 4th OF/platoon partner as he kills lefty pitching ... "Kills lefty pitching," although he did indeed kill it in 2015, might be a bit of an overstatement. 2013 - 2015 vs. Lefties: 375 65 92 25 2 15 50 57 3 87 3 2 .245 .344 .443 .787
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2015 16:36:50 GMT -5
This is exactly the type of player that the Red Sox needed for their OF. Should be a good platoon bat if everyone is healthy/good, and if he's pressed into everyday service because everyone isn't healthy/good, he won't kill the team. Excellent signing unless you're real keen on Bryce Brentz getting a bunch of ABs for the Sox next year. Platoon with who? Bradley and Castillo both have hit lefties better then righties so far and Chris Young is a lot better against lefties. If our 4 OF are Betts, Bradley, Castillo and Young that doesn't make a ton of sense. We will kill lefties and struggle against righties. He'll replace Castillo when he's hurt or bad and at that point he can platoon with Holt or Shaw. And he can also give JBJ and Betts some breathers. We need a good 4th outfielder given the uncertainty of JBJ and Castillo. This was exactly the problem with the team in 2014 when penciling JBJ into the everyday lineup without an option they could count on more than Grady Sizemore.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 30, 2015 16:49:02 GMT -5
Platoon with who? Bradley and Castillo both have hit lefties better then righties so far and Chris Young is a lot better against lefties. If our 4 OF are Betts, Bradley, Castillo and Young that doesn't make a ton of sense. We will kill lefties and struggle against righties. He'll replace Castillo when he's hurt or bad and at that point he can platoon with Holt or Shaw. And he can also give JBJ and Betts some breathers. We need a good 4th outfielder given the uncertainty of JBJ and Castillo. This was exactly the problem with the team in 2014 when penciling JBJ into the everyday lineup without an option they could count on more than Grady Sizemore. Under the assumption that JBJ remains an elite+ defender, what's the bottom end of JBJ's bat that should keep him in the lineup, and what's the bottom end of JBJ's bat that causes JF to pull him from the lineup? I ask because my guess is that Farrell's bar is going to be higher than what it should when the replacement is likely a guy like Young
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 30, 2015 16:51:18 GMT -5
I like Chris Young as a 4th OF/platoon partner as he kills lefty pitching ... "Kills lefty pitching," although he did indeed kill it in 2015, might be a bit of an overstatement. 2013 - 2015 vs. Lefties: 375 65 92 25 2 15 50 57 3 87 3 2 .245 .344 .443 .787 Agreed. Let's say he injures lefthanded pitching, but the southpaws do walk away alive but battered.
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Post by brisox on Nov 30, 2015 16:54:11 GMT -5
Excited to see this , of all the ones out there he was the one I wanted. Splits are great against LHP , though every OF on the sox hit better against LHP regardless of what side they hit from , but he is a masher and may give us some flexibility at the winter meetings if someone overwhelms us for Castillo or JBJ.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2015 17:08:10 GMT -5
One thing I hope to see more than anything else - Chris Young pinch hitting for Pablo Sandoval against lefties.
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 30, 2015 17:12:44 GMT -5
Excited to see this , of all the ones out there he was the one I wanted. Splits are great against LHP , though every OF on the sox hit better against LHP regardless of what side they hit from , but he is a masher and may give us some flexibility at the winter meetings if someone overwhelms us for Castillo or JBJ. The Indians still have not fixed any of their issues. I know it's still very early, and there are alternatives out there, but a deal around Bradley and Castillo sure looks good for both sides. Sox adding a mid level piece It would give DDo room to negotiate if the Price talks get silly. Having Carrasco is a decent enough upgrade that he could start the season with Carrasoc, Buchholz as his 1, 2 and have a decent chance at the post season. It also gives him another piece to hold in front of Price, by way of, "we are building a powerhouse, join us." If however he were to still sign Price, he'd have to have a spot to deal Buchholz. Or alternatively, and maybe desired, they start the year with ERod in AAA, Kelly in the pen, then after Buchholz has reestablished value, he's dealt and ERod promoted. In the end they will have traded Buchholz, Bradley, Owens and the SD prospects for Carrasco, Kimbrel, and the Buchholz prospects. Assuming the returning prospects slot into areas of need better than Margot or Guerra, this could shake out quite well, with both the Boston team, and the ML system improved.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 30, 2015 17:21:24 GMT -5
One thing I hope to see more than anything else - Chris Young pinch hitting for Pablo Sandoval against lefties. LOL....hadn't thought about that....but that would be a good bet with Shaw able to also play some 3rd. I'm coming around on the signing. I can see the reasoning. Our bench should be very strong with Hanigan, Holt, Shaw, and Young. With Holt playing 7 positions, we can use a 12 man staff and carry guys like Layne for that special lefty in the 7th or 8th.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Nov 30, 2015 17:23:18 GMT -5
The "lefty masher" thing for Chris Young is way overstated. He slashed .189/.310/.351 against lefties from 2013-2014, and our current outfield, (BBC), slashed a combined .312/.363/.490 against lefties in 2015. Young had a nice year against lefties this past season, and his right-handed extreme power will obviously play up in Fenway, but we can't view this in terms of us needing a lefty masher. Our outfield already could handle them. I like this move if he's strictly our 4th OF, pinch hitting, and filling in for a faltering JBJ or Castillo, but we can't just run with his 2015 stats and label him as a "masher," when he just isn't. But solid 4th OF signing, if he actually stays as our 4th.
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