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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 30, 2015 22:21:09 GMT -5
I like this pickup. By the way, I don't see any chance Betts is moved to 2B. Holt will spell Pedroia and Moncada should be the long term answer there.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 30, 2015 22:53:11 GMT -5
Very good signing for all the reasons that have already been mentioned, insurance, Fenway swing, defense, lefty masher, can play all 3. Plenty of AB's to go around, approx. 2000, for all of them to get their share. I think there is a very good chance Young gets more playing time than Castillo, hope I'm wrong. Sign Price and the job is done.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 1, 2015 7:32:19 GMT -5
Sign Price and the job is done. I do think dombrowski is going all out for price. However once we sign price, the job is not done. Dombrowski is going after another starter via the trade route probably ( think Cleveland) and we will feel some serious farm system pain. I thought young said he wanted to be a starter? Maybe young is thinking that Castillo gets hurt every other day and there are lots of plate appearances because of it. Are there free agents that don't want to be starters ?
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Post by radiohix on Dec 1, 2015 9:19:02 GMT -5
It's 2 years 13 millions per Rosenthal. I'm OK with that.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 1, 2015 9:22:07 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 5 min. Sources: Chris Young deal with #RedSox is two years, $13M.
Less than I expected: Good deal.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 1, 2015 9:23:56 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 5 min. Sources: Chris Young deal with #RedSox is two years, $13M. Less than I expected: Good deal. 1M more than I expected, but that was an early signing premium. Solid deal!
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 1, 2015 9:28:39 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier 2 min. Confirmed @ken_Rosenthal report that Chris Young's agreement is for 2 yrs, $13M. $6.5M salary for both 2016 and 2017
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Post by mattpicard on Dec 1, 2015 9:42:24 GMT -5
Nice deal. He's a plus 4th OF to have around, hitting lefties well, and able to play the corners at a solid-plus level. Sure, he's not an elite lefty masher, and he's been known to struggle with consistency, but he's overall been above average. The fit at Fenway makes it even better. As for the idea of Holt being one of the LF platoon options for us if a trade of another OF happens, I'm pretty wary of that. He's posted wRC+'s vs. RHP of 89 and 90 in 2014 and 2015, respectively, and that's probably what he'll continue to hover around. He's valuable as a super utility player, but he's ideally a guy who'll sub in around the infield, with the ability to step into an outfield corner here and there.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 1, 2015 9:49:13 GMT -5
I think planning a platoon with Holt in mind is a poor approach as you lose some flexibility with him should you do that. He's the Swiss Army knife of the bench. That's the only role you should think of him for.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 1, 2015 9:58:14 GMT -5
I think planning a platoon with Holt in mind is a poor approach as you lose some flexibility with him should you do that. He's the Swiss Army knife of the bench. That's the only role you should think of him for. Do you see Shaw as a platoon partner? I kind of see Marrero as the IF version of Holt, and a better late inning defensive option. If Bradley were moved, it would open a roster spot for Marrero.
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Post by mattpicard on Dec 1, 2015 10:03:12 GMT -5
I think planning a platoon with Holt in mind is a poor approach as you lose some flexibility with him should you do that. He's the Swiss Army knife of the bench. That's the only role you should think of him for. Do you see Shaw as a platoon partner? I kind of see Marrero as the IF version of Holt, and a better late inning defensive option. If Bradley were moved, it would open a roster spot for Marrero. I'd like to see Shaw get some LF exposure, especially in a small park like Fenway, but it's worth pointing out he was a pretty mediocre hitter vs. RHP, both in the majors and minors last year. I disagree on Marrero vs. Holt. If Chris Young is the 4th OF behind Rusney/JBJ/Mookie, there's no room for Holt to get at bats, unless you play him a bunch in LF over Rusney vs. RHP (and that's not the best way to use him). He seems a lot more apt to step in for any infielder and still put up competent numbers, and while his defense is significantly worse, it's not bad.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 1, 2015 10:03:18 GMT -5
Good signing.
Well, Dave Dombrowski's approach is pretty clear: I need three things (closer, SP, and RHH fourth outfielder), and I will do whatever I need to get the best of those three things. It's not particularly interesting to think about, but when you've got one of the best farm systems in the game and a ton of money, why not, I guess? Winning is a lot more important than being interesting.
edit to add: probably should say "elite back-end reliever" instead of "closer" ... that's more along the lines of what he was looking for/needed. But, main point stays the same
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 1, 2015 10:43:19 GMT -5
I think planning a platoon with Holt in mind is a poor approach as you lose some flexibility with him should you do that. He's the Swiss Army knife of the bench. That's the only role you should think of him for. Agree on this with Holt. He should not be pigeonholed into a straight platoon with an OF.....I think Castillo is a bit of a waste in LF. He would be more valuable in RF. This is why JBJ is expendable. Mookie in CF is a drop-off defensively from JBJ, but not much. I'd go with Castillo in RF, Mookie in CF & Young in LF & sign a De Aza as your 4th OF....Bench would be Hanigan, Holt, Shaw, De Aza. Marrero in Paw for insurance. Flip JBJ for a #1 or solid #2 & keep your 250 million.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 1, 2015 11:15:52 GMT -5
I think planning a platoon with Holt in mind is a poor approach as you lose some flexibility with him should you do that. He's the Swiss Army knife of the bench. That's the only role you should think of him for. Agree on this with Holt. He should not be pigeonholed into a straight platoon with an OF.....I think Castillo is a bit of a waste in LF. He would be more valuable in RF. This is why JBJ is expendable. Mookie in CF is a drop-off defensively from JBJ, but not much. I'd go with Castillo in RF, Mookie in CF & Young in LF & sign a De Aza as your 4th OF....Bench would be Hanigan, Holt, Shaw, De Aza. Marrero in Paw for insurance. Flip JBJ for a #1 or solid #2 & keep your 250 million. If Holt were to platoon with Young, why would he be limited to that function? Seems he'd still be that Swiss Army Kife guy when Young is in the field. Am I missing something about the platoon that limits him?
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 1, 2015 11:28:55 GMT -5
I don't have a problem if Shaw is a platoon player.
Making Holt a platoon player doesn't stop him in the days he's not part of the platoon, but part of him being the Swiss Army knife is filling in for injured players so if a guy goes down he needs to back up then it hurts you at two spots because you now lost your platoon partner. I'd just prefer to keep him out of that role if you can. Not saying it's the end of the world, I just wouldn't go into a season planning that.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 1, 2015 11:41:15 GMT -5
I don't have a problem if Shaw is a platoon player. Making Holt a platoon player doesn't stop him in the days he's not part of the platoon, but part of him being the Swiss Army knife is filling in for injured players so if a guy goes down he needs to back up then it hurts you at two spots because you now lost your platoon partner. I'd just prefer to keep him out of that role if you can. Not saying it's the end of the world, I just wouldn't go into a season planning that. OK, strong point. If they are planning on him as part of the platoon, they can't plan for his utilization as a super utility. Yup, you're right, planning would be better with Shaw as the platoon partner. The odd thing about all of it, is the reverse splits for both Shaw and Holt. I suppose they could hope those even out in a platoon role?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 1, 2015 12:16:31 GMT -5
Moved all the stuff about trading for another pitcher to this thread.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Dec 1, 2015 13:20:57 GMT -5
It's 2 years 13 millions per Rosenthal. I'm OK with that. Me too. But I'd rather have taken a flyer on Rich Hill, if it was an either/or.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 1, 2015 14:17:13 GMT -5
I don't think it was. Hill wanted a guarantee for a spot in the rotation. That wasn't something the Sox were going to do. It wasn't about money since neither broke the bank.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 1, 2015 14:37:18 GMT -5
I don't think it was. Hill wanted a guarantee for a spot in the rotation. That wasn't something the Sox were going to do. It wasn't about money since neither broke the bank. Yeah, people keep mentioning Hill like he was something the Sox cheaped out on. I'm sure they would've loved him for that Chris Young swing-man role, but he was always going to someone who guaranteed him a spot. 2/13 for Young is actually under what I expected. I thought he might get 2/15 signing early. Hopefully he follows the Cody Ross/Jonny Gomes role and assaults the monster. I'm not 100% sure they're done with the OF though, but who knows. Betts, JBJ, Rusney, Chris Young, Shaw, Holt all hit lefties better than righties last season, though Shaw's previous splits favors him against righties. Should be interesting though to see what else happens. Dombrowski seems to have laser focus on his plan, not a whole lot of smoke & mirrors like we're used to seeing with Cherington & co
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 1, 2015 15:00:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't make too much of one season's splits, especially for guys like Shaw who didn't play all that much.
But I've lost track ... did Shaw go anywhere to play leftfield this winter?
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 1, 2015 15:04:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't make too much of one season's splits, especially for guys like Shaw who didn't play all that much. But I've lost track ... did Shaw go anywhere to play leftfield this winter? Not sure if he ever played it. I know they were reports of them wanting to see if he could play some 3rd and left as well. Also why he's the last option on the depth chart there. Seems like it's more of a "get him some looks in spring training in case his bat plays so well we force him into lineup"
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 1, 2015 15:29:29 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that Shaw will take to LF better than Hanley did. Really going out on a limb there.
I think he could pick it up and play at a passable level in spring training, kinda like Nava picked up 1B a few years ago in the spring.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 1, 2015 16:05:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't make too much of one season's splits, especially for guys like Shaw who didn't play all that much. But I've lost track ... did Shaw go anywhere to play leftfield this winter? Not sure if he ever played it. I know they were reports of them wanting to see if he could play some 3rd and left as well. Also why he's the last option on the depth chart there. Seems like it's more of a "get him some looks in spring training in case his bat plays so well we force him into lineup" He went to Puerto Rico but only played one game before suffering a shoulder impingement that sent him home early. I'll take this opportunity to plug the Fall-Winter Stats page: soxprospects.com/fall-winter.htm and to mention the "Young Graduates" section of the front page: soxprospects.com/index.html
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 1, 2015 16:13:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't make too much of one season's splits, especially for guys like Shaw who didn't play all that much. But I've lost track ... did Shaw go anywhere to play leftfield this winter? Played one game in Puerto Rico @ 3B.....Had a right shoulder "impingement" whatever that is....the statement from the red sox was that he only needed a few weeks of therapy & that he should be ready for ST.
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