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Post by burythehammer on Dec 6, 2015 21:34:31 GMT -5
■ Kennedy looked at the team’s revenues and financial health to determine whether it could afford the commitment. ■ Director of pitching analysis Brian Bannister examined the pitch mixes and deliveries of potentially available pitchers and compared them to pitchers who sustained dominance into their 30s in an effort to identify the available pitchers who represented the best age-defying bets. ■ Director of major league operations Zack Scott and the Sox’ analytics team led a study comparing the cost of trading for an ace (which required affixing a dollar figure to prospects and making performance projections) to signing one, delivering a memo to Dombrowski and Hazen toward the end of the World Series that Dombrowski then presented to the owners a couple of days later. ■ At a meeting of the top members of the baseball operations staff and the team’s pro scouts in Scottsdale, Ariz., in late October, Dombrowski sought the feedback of his evaluators about preferred offseason targets. In an unusually deep year for free agent pitchers, with options such as Johnny Cueto, Jordan Zimmermann, John Lackey, Jeff Samardzija, and Hisashi Iwakuma available, two names stood out: Price and Zack Greinke, who had the right to opt out of his six-year, $147 million deal with the Dodgers. Boy, it really took a lot of analysis to determine that David Price and Zack Greinke were the two best pitchers available in free agency. Come on, Alex.
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Post by thursty on Dec 6, 2015 21:40:14 GMT -5
There are two ways to read this. One is that a lot of analytical and scouting work was done and they reached a consensus backed up by all the angles. The other is that Dombrowski made it clear to everyone he wanted the result to be that they should sign Price and then everyone came up with what the boss wanted. Hard to believe that all the people in the analytics dept would continue to want to work for DDo if their work has zero value. I'd like to think they have more integrity and pride in their work than that. I believe it's the former, not the latter. give it some time. who needs analysis when you can look into a player's eyes
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 6, 2015 21:46:16 GMT -5
It doesn't have zero value. But saying, "We're acquiring an ace, period. I want your thoughts on what's the better way to do it" does not mean that the analytics people were in favor of this move.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 6, 2015 22:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 6, 2015 22:49:41 GMT -5
You seem pretty unhappy about the signing of David Price. Why? What should they have done instead? My last few posts in this thread, including the one you quoted, have nothing to do with whether or not it's a good signing. On top of that my posts before that already answered the question you pose. I'm sorry it bothers you that I'm not waving my pom poms over this move or David Price's personality. This thread is 20 something pages long. Do you really think I sat here taking notes as to what your opinion was on page whatever the hell it was? In reading the last few pages it became obvious to me that you're pretty annoyed about the signing so it piqued my curiosity at the time to pose the question in my mind that was forming when I was reading the post, but if you can't be reasonably civil about it, then I won't deal with you. I don't care if you agree with me but I don't appreciate the snarkiness. Honestly it doesn't bother me either way if you're waving your pompoms or dancing in the street or jumping off a building at the prospect of David Price for seven years. At the end of the day, you're just an anonymous poster on a website whose opinion is no less or no more valid than mine.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 6, 2015 22:52:13 GMT -5
Hard to believe that all the people in the analytics dept would continue to want to work for DDo if their work has zero value. I'd like to think they have more integrity and pride in their work than that. I believe it's the former, not the latter. give it some time. who needs analysis when you can look into a player's eyes Meh, I've read Bill James too many years to think that he's the kind of guy who's going to stick around because, golly gee, it's nice to be employed by a major league team. If his work doesn't have value and is totally ignored, I sincerely doubt that James sticks around. That's not the personality that shines thru in his writings. He's no yes man.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2015 11:02:34 GMT -5
Even if it were ignored in one situation it doesn't mean it's not used.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2015 13:39:58 GMT -5
■ Director of major league operations Zack Scott and the Sox’ analytics team led a study comparing the cost of trading for an ace (which required affixing a dollar figure to prospects and making performance projections) to signing one, delivering a memo to Dombrowski and Hazen toward the end of the World Series that Dombrowski then presented to the owners a couple of days later. This is the exact opportunity cost analysis that I and others applied to the Kimbrel trade. So the front office and ownership apparently agree that this sort of analysis is worthwhile. Of course, that raises the question of whether this analysis was done for the Kimbrel trade, whether their internal analysis agreed with the public consensus, and if so, how they got comfortable with the trade regardless. Supply and Demand, it's that simple. If you wanted an elite closer you couldn't just sign one. So you either traded good prospects, signed one not nearly as good or went without. So if you were dead set on adding an elite closer like Dave was the opportunity cost would have made sense. What I can't wait to see is what the dodgers gave up for Chapman. It should be less then we gave up for 3 years of Kimbrel, but is it a lot less? We need a thread to compare opportunity cost of getting Kimbrel for 3 years and Chapman for one year if the Dodgers package is way less then what we gave up.
One other thing to look at is what effect did the Kimbrel trade have on signing Price? I believe getting one of the best bullpen arms in the game to address a major weaken had to help in signing Price. It shows that when the team has a weakness they go after elite talent to fill it. If your someone like Price that wants to win championships that has to make you feel good about a team. It's the exact opposite of what the Rays do.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 13:58:49 GMT -5
Of course, that raises the question of whether this analysis was done for the Kimbrel trade, whether their internal analysis agreed with the public consensus, and if so, how they got comfortable with the trade regardless. I would bet it has far more to do with assigning dollar value to performance number projections as opposed to using the arbitrary starting point of picking out what other prospects earned that shared the same Baseball America ranking lol
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Post by cba82 on Dec 7, 2015 15:47:15 GMT -5
While the money is ridiculous, it's finally time to be excited about the rotation again. He pushes back Buchholz and puts less of a strain on Eduardo Rodriguez and Porcello. I think he'll help Rodriguez a ton with his pitch selection and work ethic. I'm so excited! Miley and/or Owens will need to be traded, hopefully for some bullpen arms. What he said.
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Post by jrffam05 on Dec 8, 2015 11:21:42 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more. Price absolutely crushed the press conference. And after looking at what Greinke got from the D-Backs, I'm pretty sure this deal just turned into a three year deal at pretty descent price/value. Welcome. In meetings all day, so I didn't see it. It's got to be online somewhere, no? Edit: Found it... I haven't had a chance to watch this yet. I found the 4 minute summary on MLB.com but can't find the full interview. Does anyone have a link?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2015 17:44:33 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 26, 2016 12:54:17 GMT -5
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