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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 13, 2016 12:19:03 GMT -5
If you look at the teams with post season success (over, say the past 10 years), the only surprise to me is why this trend wasn't picked up earlier by baseball "brain trusts" and sabermatricians. Miller was (still is) an absolute steal. FWIW I would take Jansen over Chapman, all things considered. The trend will die once one of these high priced relievers reminds the world how volatile they are again. My money is on Chapman doing that within the next couple of years. I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think it's just getting started. The stats guys are just now figuring out how much value an elite reliever provides to team. With starters pitching less and less innings I just don't see this trend changing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 13, 2016 19:41:56 GMT -5
Eduardo A. EncinaVerified account @eddieintheyard #Orioles have signed 2B/3B/CF Sean Coyle to a minor league deal, according to an industry source.
Chris Cotillo @chriscotillo 3h3 hours ago Former @diamondheels catcher Tim Federowicz has landed with the Giants on a minor-league deal.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 13, 2016 19:52:19 GMT -5
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 13, 2016 20:20:19 GMT -5
Absolutely horrible news. Forget about him being an athlete. So upsetting to hear about young men losing their lives. May he rest in peace.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 14, 2016 12:45:49 GMT -5
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Post by Costigan on Dec 15, 2016 20:15:00 GMT -5
Tazawa heading to Miami for 2 years and 12 million. Just went back and watched that Miggy strikeout on 4 straight fastballs.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 15, 2016 20:27:38 GMT -5
Tazawa heading to Miami for 2 years and 12 million. Just went back and watched that Miggy strikeout on 4 straight fastballs. I remember that at bat. Cabrera was shaking his head acting cocky and Tazawa paid no attention and was nails. Good luck to Tazawa. Good for him for getting 12 million when he's been declining for 2 straight years too.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 15, 2016 21:17:51 GMT -5
I've long thought that Taz would have been one of the elite non-closers in baseball if Farrell didn't consistently overuse him.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 15, 2016 23:07:28 GMT -5
I remember the hype when Tazawa first signed with the Sox. Originally meant to be a starter, but he turned into a weapon out of the bullpen. Best of luck, JT! I hope Miami utilizes you better than Farrell did.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 15, 2016 23:52:55 GMT -5
I've long thought that Taz would have been one of the elite non-closers in baseball if Farrell didn't consistently overuse him. Tazawa has never even pitched 70 innings in a season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2016 0:05:38 GMT -5
I've long thought that Taz would have been one of the elite non-closers in baseball if Farrell didn't consistently overuse him. Tazawa has never even pitched 70 innings in a season. Since 2013 he has the 4th most appearances among AL relievers.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 16, 2016 6:46:29 GMT -5
I've long thought that Taz would have been one of the elite non-closers in baseball if Farrell didn't consistently overuse him. Tazawa has never even pitched 70 innings in a season. It was how he was used. He was basically the only guy Farrell trusted the last couple of years, so he was worn down in the first half of the season.
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Post by radiohix on Dec 16, 2016 7:37:02 GMT -5
Tazawa heading to Miami for 2 years and 12 million. Just went back and watched that Miggy strikeout on 4 straight fastballs. With one out and a runner on third and the 1-0 score. After he struck him, I kind of knew we're winning that WS trophy. I'll miss Taz.
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Post by p23w on Dec 16, 2016 8:55:39 GMT -5
Tazawa heading to Miami for 2 years and 12 million. Just went back and watched that Miggy strikeout on 4 straight fastballs. With one out and a runner on third and the 1-0 score. After he struck him, I kind of knew we're winning that WS trophy. I'll miss Taz. To put Miggy's AB in some perspective, he was suffering from a flexor strain. He had almost no power in his swing from mid-September on. By the playoffs the word was out and Cabrera was subject to inside heat with very good results for the defense. A healthy Cabrera and that series could have very easily had a different outcome. Good for the Sox, a nail in the coffin for Dombrowski's tenure with the Tigers. Baseball.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 16, 2016 10:57:46 GMT -5
Tazawa has never even pitched 70 innings in a season. Since 2013 he has the 4th most appearances among AL relievers. So this is pretty misleading. It mostly reflects that relievers get hurt and switch leagues a lot. '13 - 31st most appearances by any reliever in baseball '14 - 29th '15 - 79th '16 - 111th He was definitely used a lot in '13 and '14, but not a crazy amount.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 16, 2016 13:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2016 15:57:32 GMT -5
Since 2013 he has the 4th most appearances among AL relievers. So this is pretty misleading. It mostly reflects that relievers get hurt and switch leagues a lot. '13 - 31st most appearances by any reliever in baseball '14 - 29th '15 - 79th '16 - 111th He was definitely used a lot in '13 and '14, but not a crazy amount. Have you watched Farrell kill Taz year after year? It's not made up. Fine, he's not durable. But Farrell has never done him any favors from April-July.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 16, 2016 17:56:12 GMT -5
I really hope starting next year his velocity drops to 89 and is a complete disaster for the Yankees. The two would be perfect for each other if this turns into a albatross.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 17, 2016 1:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Dec 17, 2016 2:04:19 GMT -5
Brad Ziegler is joining Tazawa on the Marlins. Two years and 16 million.
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Post by gerry on Dec 17, 2016 2:21:06 GMT -5
I've long thought that Taz would have been one of the elite non-closers in baseball if Farrell didn't consistently overuse him. Tazawa has never even pitched 70 innings in a season. But he probably pitched 199 more warming up almost every game. He even, politely, complained about it in a NESN interview. I remember yelling at the TV regularly about Taz warming up and not being used.
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Post by p23w on Dec 17, 2016 6:58:20 GMT -5
Tazawa has never even pitched 70 innings in a season. But he probably pitched 199 more warming up almost every game. He even, politely, complained about it in a NESN interview. I remember yelling at the TV regularly about Taz warming up and not being used. Every relief pitcher in baseball warms up, and depending on the situation may not get into the game. Ross warmed up numerous times in the bullpen and never got into the game in 2016. It's not just the Red Sox, or Farrell. Tazawa, for whatever reason simply does not have the arm strength to do what is asked of him. Marlin blogs are lamenting this and pointing the finger of blame at Mattingly already. In contrast Ziegler has a "rubber arm" compared to Taz and answers the call with consistency each time. His salary is commensurate with his value. He will be missed far more than Tazawa.
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Post by ray88h66 on Dec 17, 2016 15:28:01 GMT -5
Since 2013 he has the 4th most appearances among AL relievers. So this is pretty misleading. It mostly reflects that relievers get hurt and switch leagues a lot. '13 - 31st most appearances by any reliever in baseball '14 - 29th '15 - 79th '16 - 111th He was definitely used a lot in '13 and '14, but not a crazy amount. Wish more teams would count times up and pitches throw in the pen without every coming into a game. The Twins do it. Not sure if the sox do it. Taz was used and abused. Just watching on TV I saw him warm up 2 or 3 times in a game and never throw a pitch in anger often.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 19, 2016 15:29:54 GMT -5
But he probably pitched 199 more warming up almost every game. He even, politely, complained about it in a NESN interview. I remember yelling at the TV regularly about Taz warming up and not being used. Every relief pitcher in baseball warms up, and depending on the situation may not get into the game. Ross warmed up numerous times in the bullpen and never got into the game in 2016. It's not just the Red Sox, or Farrell. Tazawa, for whatever reason simply does not have the arm strength to do what is asked of him. Marlin blogs are lamenting this and pointing the finger of blame at Mattingly already. In contrast Ziegler has a "rubber arm" compared to Taz and answers the call with consistency each time. His salary is commensurate with his value. He will be missed far more than Tazawa. Agree on Zieglar. He solidified our pen last year. Thornburg replaces Ziggy. Taz was relegated to 5th/6th/mop up duty by Sept. With Kelly emerging late last year, he'll replace Taz. We can see the obvious trend of power arms replacing Koji/Zig/and even Taz to an extent.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 20, 2016 8:41:04 GMT -5
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