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2016 Non-Sox Thread
mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Dec 20, 2016 9:43:03 GMT -5
Signing Tomo Ohka is the most Duke thing the Orioles could have possibly done. Fantastic. For anyone else still waiting for the Sunny Kim breakout, he last pitched in the KBO in 2014.
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Post by Coreno on Dec 20, 2016 11:55:02 GMT -5
I see what you did there, slick. nice plug.
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Post by mattpicard on Dec 20, 2016 23:58:05 GMT -5
Garin Cecchini lands a minor league deal with the Royals. He's coming off a .705 OPS season in Colorado Springs, while primarily playing first base. Oof.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 21, 2016 16:11:31 GMT -5
Garin Cecchini lands a minor league deal with the Royals. He's coming off a .705 OPS season in Colorado Springs, while primarily playing first base. Oof. I really feel like in an alternate universe we're still rocking out Cecchini and Lars Anderson as our corner infielders.
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Post by 0ap0 on Dec 21, 2016 16:16:44 GMT -5
Garin Cecchini lands a minor league deal with the Royals. He's coming off a .705 OPS season in Colorado Springs, while primarily playing first base. Oof. I really feel like in an alternate universe we're still rocking out Cecchini and Lars Anderson as our corner infielders. Yeah but we traded Coyle and Ranuado for Sale and everybody was pissed.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 21, 2016 18:18:50 GMT -5
Garin Cecchini lands a minor league deal with the Royals. He's coming off a .705 OPS season in Colorado Springs, while primarily playing first base. Oof. I really feel like in an alternate universe we're still rocking out Cecchini and Lars Anderson as our corner infielders. Maybe Cecchini, I was very high on him.
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Post by Smittyw on Dec 21, 2016 19:21:06 GMT -5
Yeah, but in this alternate universe, Angels president Dave Dombrowski traded us Mike Trout and 3 other prospects in 2011 for our star third baseman Andy Marte, so it's all good.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 22, 2016 10:23:40 GMT -5
Yeah but we traded Coyle and Ranuado for Sale and everybody was pissed. NOT THE NEXT PEDROIA Maybe Cecchini, I was very high on him. Same here, I was very much a believer. He was my favorite hitting prospect outside of Josh Reddick.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 22, 2016 10:39:47 GMT -5
Yeah, but in this alternate universe, Angels president Dave Dombrowski traded us Mike Trout and 3 other prospects in 2011 for our star third baseman Andy Marte, so it's all good. Glad they took a shot on Trout. He'll never be Rudy Pemberton but he's a pretty sweet player.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 22, 2016 14:27:47 GMT -5
Garin Cecchini lands a minor league deal with the Royals. He's coming off a .705 OPS season in Colorado Springs, while primarily playing first base. Oof. At least now they can trade Eric Hosmer.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 22, 2016 20:58:20 GMT -5
And Edwin Encarnacion is a Cleveland Indian for 3 years $60 million and an option. At that length and cost it's too bad it didn't work out for the Red Sox - he would have been a good fit, but at least the Sox keep the badly needed draft pick and stay under the luxury tax limit - that should help them in future years.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 22, 2016 21:50:09 GMT -5
And Edwin Encarnacion is a Cleveland Indian for 3 years $60 million and an option. At that length and cost it's too bad it didn't work out for the Red Sox - he would have been a good fit, but at least the Sox keep the badly needed draft pick and stay under the luxury tax limit - that should help them in future years. With the EE signing I'm quite scared of the Indians. Not that I wasn't before, but now they have the only thing they lacked. A power hitter. I see them being in a tight race with the Red Sox for the #1 Seed.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 22, 2016 22:26:44 GMT -5
Just so I've got this right, Encarnacion got 3/$60 and an option, while Ian Desmond got 5/$70? Okay.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 22, 2016 22:33:13 GMT -5
See now if you told me in Nov Encarnacion would sign for 3 years at a total of $65M I would've said he's playing for Boston.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 23, 2016 0:07:09 GMT -5
Just so I've got this right, Encarnacion got 3/$60 and an option, while Ian Desmond got 5/$70? Okay. The Desmond contract was a total head scratcher. This move makes the Indians far more formidable, great signing on their part. Imagine if Brady Aiken is finally healthy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 23, 2016 0:11:44 GMT -5
Just so I've got this right, Encarnacion got 3/$60 and an option, while Ian Desmond got 5/$70? Okay. Not only that, but the Rockies, right now, have Desmond scheduled to play 1b, which he's inexperienced at, and a position low on the defensive spectrum, especially considering that he's been a middle of the diamond guy. That's really strange. Why not just sign Carter if they want a 1b? I've gotta ask now - we know Moreland is a stop-gap 1b with the Red Sox. Are the Red Sox really considering opening up 1b for Sam Travis in 2018 if he rakes at Pawtucket this year? I mean, yeah, the Sox could simply see what their options are by the end of the year as in who's on the market, but it seems to me that Dombrowski seems to like Travis a lot more than a lot of people here and he might get some serious consideration. I wonder if Dombrowski does like him a lot and he protected him in the prospect purge or if simply Travis, especially injured, wasn't considered that hot a commodity. It seems to me that if Moreland gets injured or struggles and Travis has a hot first half at Pawtucket he could get a shot come August or more likely one of these guys that's trapped in the glut of 1b/dh types could sign for a year and wind up being available in a deal come July - somebody like a Bautista, who could slide Hanley over to 1b.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 23, 2016 0:18:33 GMT -5
Just so I've got this right, Encarnacion got 3/$60 and an option, while Ian Desmond got 5/$70? Okay. Not only that, but the Rockies, right now, have Desmond scheduled to play 1b, which he's inexperienced at, and a position low on the defensive spectrum, especially considering that he's been a middle of the diamond guy. That's really strange. Why not just sign Carter if they want a 1b? I've gotta ask now - we know Moreland is a stop-gap 1b with the Red Sox. Are the Red Sox really considering opening up 1b for Sam Travis in 2018 if he rakes at Pawtucket this year? I mean, yeah, the Sox could simply see what their options are by the end of the year as in who's on the market, but it seems to me that Dombrowski seems to like Travis a lot more than a lot of people here and he might get some serious consideration. I wonder if Dombrowski does like him a lot and he protected him in the prospect purge or if simply Travis, especially injured, wasn't considered that hot a commodity. It seems to me that if Moreland gets injured or struggles and Travis has a hot first half at Pawtucket he could get a shot come August or more likely one of these guys that's trapped in the glut of 1b/dh types could sign for a year and wind up being available in a deal come July - somebody like a Bautista, who could slide Hanley over to 1b. Or alternatively opening up 3B for Devers in mid-season 2018 and sliding Sandoval over, or both.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 23, 2016 0:20:54 GMT -5
Not only that, but the Rockies, right now, have Desmond scheduled to play 1b, which he's inexperienced at, and a position low on the defensive spectrum, especially considering that he's been a middle of the diamond guy. That's really strange. Why not just sign Carter if they want a 1b? I've gotta ask now - we know Moreland is a stop-gap 1b with the Red Sox. Are the Red Sox really considering opening up 1b for Sam Travis in 2018 if he rakes at Pawtucket this year? I mean, yeah, the Sox could simply see what their options are by the end of the year as in who's on the market, but it seems to me that Dombrowski seems to like Travis a lot more than a lot of people here and he might get some serious consideration. I wonder if Dombrowski does like him a lot and he protected him in the prospect purge or if simply Travis, especially injured, wasn't considered that hot a commodity. It seems to me that if Moreland gets injured or struggles and Travis has a hot first half at Pawtucket he could get a shot come August or more likely one of these guys that's trapped in the glut of 1b/dh types could sign for a year and wind up being available in a deal come July - somebody like a Bautista, who could slide Hanley over to 1b. Or alternatively opening up 3B for Devers in mid-season 2018 and sliding Sandoval over, or both. I have trouble believing that Sandoval will hit enough to be a 1b or DH, but yeah, that's a possibility, too.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 23, 2016 0:39:37 GMT -5
Or alternatively opening up 3B for Devers in mid-season 2018 and sliding Sandoval over, or both. I have trouble believing that Sandoval will hit enough to be a 1b or DH, but yeah, that's a possibility, too. Hopefully, at minimum, Panda will do enough to be reasonably trade-able when Devers is ready. Either way, given the rest of the team and what's in Pawtucket, the 1B/3B sitution this year might be a weak point but unlikely to be a back breaker. The old expression, you don't try to have an all star at every position.
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Post by thursty on Dec 23, 2016 9:32:01 GMT -5
That's a strong move by Cleveland.
Makes them the favorite for the AL pennant; if Brantley is the 2014-15 version (a big if), I'd say they're a significant favorite (better top-3 starters, better infield, way better back of bullpen)
Only place Red Sox clearly are better is the OF (and that's largely due to a Mr. Betts)
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 23, 2016 10:14:56 GMT -5
I don't necessarily agree that their top 3 starters are better than the Sox. I'd say it's a coin flip or a slight edge to the Sox based on durability, I agree with them having a slightly better infield and much better bullpen though.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 23, 2016 11:58:56 GMT -5
Either way Cleveland/Boston are 1 & 1A in the AL. Unless something goes catastrophically wrong, they will meet in the ALCS. We all know though, 162 games is a LONG season & things do go wrong. There seems to be more teams re-building this year than most. Should be a fun ride.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 23, 2016 12:34:59 GMT -5
For all those giving the Indians a nod at having a better bullpen remember that bullpen arms often have wild swings from year to year. The Sox have the makings of a pretty good pen themselves. Both have great rosters for sure, should be interesting. I will give the Tribe the advantage of Francona over Farrell and that will not change.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 23, 2016 12:41:10 GMT -5
And Edwin Encarnacion is a Cleveland Indian for 3 years $60 million and an option. At that length and cost it's too bad it didn't work out for the Red Sox - he would have been a good fit, but at least the Sox keep the badly needed draft pick and stay under the luxury tax limit - that should help them in future years. With the EE signing I'm quite scared of the Indians. Not that I wasn't before, but now they have the only thing they lacked. A power hitter. I see them being in a tight race with the Red Sox for the #1 Seed. You realize the man he replaced had over 30 homers last year? EasyE is a better hitter but Nap had a good year last year.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 23, 2016 13:00:50 GMT -5
I have trouble believing that Sandoval will hit enough to be a 1b or DH, but yeah, that's a possibility, too. Hopefully, at minimum, Panda will do enough to be reasonably trade-able when Devers is ready. Either way, given the rest of the team and what's in Pawtucket, the 1B/3B sitution this year might be a weak point but unlikely to be a back breaker. The old expression, you don't try to have an all star at every position. Consider Pablo's deal; Pablo Sandoval 3b 5 years/$95M (2015-19), plus 2020 option 5 years/$95M (2015-19), plus 2020 club option signed by Boston as a free agent 11/25/14 $3M signing bonus 15-17:$17M/year. 18-19:$18M/year. 20:$17M club option ($5M buyout). In conjunction with Rafael Devers ETA which is 2018 according to our website here. He's starting the year most likely for the first time in Portland so the end of 2018 (Sept. call-ups) appears to be a very even keeled guestimate. The Sox would likely want to see how he does then AND at least the start of 2019, then they can be more reassured he's ready and can move Pablo. By that point he'd have some fraction of $18M left say for example it's $12M+, they surely could deal him then and the team trading for him could pick up a club option for $17M or buy him out at $5M. By 2019 many teams could afford that as long as he's playing near league average level.
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