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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 15, 2016 15:59:51 GMT -5
Swihart in LF? Hmm, not sure about that. Is his offense good enough to be worth it?
If they need to go for a third or fourth or fifth or twenty-seventh opinion to get Pablo healthy I hope they don't shy away from doing so. Get this man healthy for 2019.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 15, 2016 21:39:17 GMT -5
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Post by blizzards39 on Apr 15, 2016 21:42:23 GMT -5
Didn't realize Dr Andrews did lyposuction
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2016 8:17:31 GMT -5
Pablo is the joke, but Cherington/Sox ownership is the punchline. The aristocrats! Boston won't tolerate a rebuild!
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 16, 2016 13:00:51 GMT -5
This is about the best case scenario for Pablo. Lengthy DL stint and long rehab gives him time and ability to stay out of the limelight.
The best outcome of him needing surgery is that we'll finally get to stop reading Nick Cafardo talking about the Padres trading for him despite getting better production from Solarte for 17 million less.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2016 15:09:35 GMT -5
The best outcome of him needing surgery is that we'll finally get to stop reading Nick Cafardo talking about the Padres trading for him despite getting better production from Solarte for 17 million less. Why stop now? It's equally as likely as it ever was...
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 18, 2016 13:54:09 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Pablo Sandoval was too sore to be examined by Dr Andrews fully, Farrell said? Will be reexamined in a few weeks”
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 18, 2016 14:09:29 GMT -5
The Pablo injury is pretty anti-climatic. He played his last game for the Red Sox.
The only way it will be interesting is if some people start making excuses for him and try to explain how he couldn't walk on a treadmill because of his shoulder or that he hurt the shoulder reaching for a cookie jar that someone put on the top shelf to keep away from him.
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Post by raftsox on Apr 18, 2016 15:12:42 GMT -5
This was foreseeable with Sandoval as there are not many players who have a history of gaining weight during the season as he has done. He may have played his last game in a Red Sox uniform and I am not sure that any team will pick him up until he drops at least 25 pounds. When are we going to hear the truth that he only had one foot on the scale when the Red Sox reported that Sandoval had 17% body fat? Really, I'm sick of this crap (not attacking you: this is General frustration with these repeated comments from peopke). Do you know what 17% body fat looks like on anyone? www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-pictures-and-percentagesThe above article might not be perfect because Pablo is also an athlete, not a fitness model. The fact is that 17% is probably pretty damned accurate. Losing fat may not make him more athletic. It's been proven many times over in clinical trials that moderate body fat levels for power athletes (not endurance) are actually beneficial.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 19, 2016 5:38:21 GMT -5
This was foreseeable with Sandoval as there are not many players who have a history of gaining weight during the season as he has done. He may have played his last game in a Red Sox uniform and I am not sure that any team will pick him up until he drops at least 25 pounds. When are we going to hear the truth that he only had one foot on the scale when the Red Sox reported that Sandoval had 17% body fat? Really, I'm sick of this crap (not attacking you: this is General frustration with these repeated comments from peopke). Do you know what 17% body fat looks like on anyone? www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-pictures-and-percentagesThe above article might not be perfect because Pablo is also an athlete, not a fitness model. The fact is that 17% is probably pretty damned accurate. Losing fat may not make him more athletic. It's been proven many times over in clinical trials that moderate body fat levels for power athletes (not endurance) are actually beneficial. You apparently haven't had an opportunity to actually see him play baseball. You can quote all the lard studies in the world, it still doesn't make him fit enough to perform his job at a professional level no matter what the projections say. He's a Teletubby role model no matter how you slice the cream pie.
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Post by raftsox on Apr 19, 2016 7:38:05 GMT -5
Really, I'm sick of this crap (not attacking you: this is General frustration with these repeated comments from peopke). Do you know what 17% body fat looks like on anyone? www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-pictures-and-percentagesThe above article might not be perfect because Pablo is also an athlete, not a fitness model. The fact is that 17% is probably pretty damned accurate. Losing fat may not make him more athletic. It's been proven many times over in clinical trials that moderate body fat levels for power athletes (not endurance) are actually beneficial. You apparently haven't had an opportunity to actually see him play baseball. You can quote all the lard studies in the world, it still doesn't make him fit enough to perform his job at a professional level no matter what the projections say. He's a Teletubby role model no matter how you slice the cream pie. There is literally no proof that sandoval losing fat will make him more athletic. People naturally lose quickness and power as they age, regardless of training, profession or whatever. It's simply likely that he has lost a step he will never get back. Looking like Nomar isn't going to make him any better.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 7:45:42 GMT -5
You apparently haven't had an opportunity to actually see him play baseball. You can quote all the lard studies in the world, it still doesn't make him fit enough to perform his job at a professional level no matter what the projections say. He's a Teletubby role model no matter how you slice the cream pie. There is literally no proof that sandoval losing fat will make him more athletic. People naturally lose quickness and power as they age, regardless of training, profession or whatever. It's simply likely that he has lost a step he will never get back. Looking like Nomar isn't going to make him any better. That seems a little ridiculous. It's pretty obvious to me that if a defensive lineman lost 80 pounds, he'd be able to run a faster 40. Or if Pablo lost it, he'd be able to shift weight faster in the field and get up quicker.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 19, 2016 13:00:12 GMT -5
In the 80's did they have a commercial in New England with the line "Help! I've fallen and I can't get up ?
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 19, 2016 14:50:10 GMT -5
They've been around since at least the 90s.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 19, 2016 14:53:47 GMT -5
There is literally no proof that sandoval losing fat will make him more athletic. People naturally lose quickness and power as they age, regardless of training, profession or whatever. It's simply likely that he has lost a step he will never get back. Looking like Nomar isn't going to make him any better. That seems a little ridiculous. It's pretty obvious to me that if a defensive lineman lost 80 pounds, he'd be able to run a faster 40. Or if Pablo lost it, he'd be able to shift weight faster in the field and get up quicker. Yeah it's a little bit absurd to think that physics don't apply to Pablo Sandoval. Run ninety feet on a dirt path. Record your time. Strap 60 pounds to your body and repeat.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 20, 2016 8:54:13 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Pablo Sandoval was too sore to be examined by Dr Andrews fully, Farrell said? Will be reexamined in a few weeks” Sounds like me saying "I'm too sick to see the doctor. I'll go when I feel better". Though he was never considered "athletic", he looks to have a more limited range this year. Losing weight, no doubt, can help, especially bending down for balls hit to his left.
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Post by raftsox on Apr 20, 2016 21:24:31 GMT -5
There is literally no proof that sandoval losing fat will make him more athletic. People naturally lose quickness and power as they age, regardless of training, profession or whatever. It's simply likely that he has lost a step he will never get back. Looking like Nomar isn't going to make him any better. That seems a little ridiculous. It's pretty obvious to me that if a defensive lineman lost 80 pounds, he'd be able to run a faster 40. Or if Pablo lost it, he'd be able to shift weight faster in the field and get up quicker. Doesn't matter what "seems obvious" to you. Quickness isn't a matter of being lean; endurance usually is. Defensive linemen need a certain amount of mass to move objects, regardless of how quickly they can move. It actually doesn't make sense for them to arbitrarily lose weight. Sandoval losing weight isn't going to make his swing or first step quicker: that's positioning and reaction. He can do power cleans or medicine ball throws to improve those aspects of his game. A 3B needs to be able to react quickly in either direction and they need to have a strong arm. That's what is defensively required. He does not need to move more than 5 steps for 99% of the plays in his zone, assuming correct positioning
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 20, 2016 22:05:54 GMT -5
That seems a little ridiculous. It's pretty obvious to me that if a defensive lineman lost 80 pounds, he'd be able to run a faster 40. Or if Pablo lost it, he'd be able to shift weight faster in the field and get up quicker. Doesn't matter what "seems obvious" to you. Quickness isn't a matter of being lean; endurance usually is. Defensive linemen need a certain amount of mass to move objects, regardless of how quickly they can move. It actually doesn't make sense for them to arbitrarily lose weight. Sandoval losing weight isn't going to make his swing or first step quicker: that's positioning and reaction. He can do power cleans or medicine ball throws to improve those aspects of his game. A 3B needs to be able to react quickly in either direction and they need to have a strong arm. That's what is defensively required. He does not need to move more than 5 steps for 99% of the plays in his zone, assuming correct positioning Let's simplify it, Panda is fat, way too fat to be effective. If you have actually watched him play and can come to any other conclusion then I have no respect for your opinion here. Somebody told me I looked like I was gaining weight two days ago. I weighed myself and I have gained about 3 pounds. I will lose it within a week. I have pride, self esteem and I'm not a weak individual.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2016 6:01:32 GMT -5
That seems a little ridiculous. It's pretty obvious to me that if a defensive lineman lost 80 pounds, he'd be able to run a faster 40. Or if Pablo lost it, he'd be able to shift weight faster in the field and get up quicker. Doesn't matter what "seems obvious" to you. Quickness isn't a matter of being lean; endurance usually is. Defensive linemen need a certain amount of mass to move objects, regardless of how quickly they can move. It actually doesn't make sense for them to arbitrarily lose weight. Sandoval losing weight isn't going to make his swing or first step quicker: that's positioning and reaction. He can do power cleans or medicine ball throws to improve those aspects of his game. A 3B needs to be able to react quickly in either direction and they need to have a strong arm. That's what is defensively required. He does not need to move more than 5 steps for 99% of the plays in his zone, assuming correct positioning If a defensive lineman lost 80 pounds, he would absolutely be more agile. He might not be more effective as a player, but that's not the question. Sandoval needs to be more agile and that can only possibly happen if he lost weight.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 21, 2016 6:34:01 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what "seems obvious" to you. Quickness isn't a matter of being lean; endurance usually is. Defensive linemen need a certain amount of mass to move objects, regardless of how quickly they can move. It actually doesn't make sense for them to arbitrarily lose weight. Sandoval losing weight isn't going to make his swing or first step quicker: that's positioning and reaction. He can do power cleans or medicine ball throws to improve those aspects of his game. A 3B needs to be able to react quickly in either direction and they need to have a strong arm. That's what is defensively required. He does not need to move more than 5 steps for 99% of the plays in his zone, assuming correct positioning If a defensive lineman lost 80 pounds, he would absolutely be more agile. He might not be more effective as a player, but that's not the question. Sandoval needs to be more agile and that can only possibly happen if he lost weight. Yeah. Raftsox you are way off here. It's common sense based on life's experiences. And my goodness when Pablo dove for a ball and snagged it recently, he could not get up to throw it when other would have. He looked like a beached walrus.
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Post by raftsox on Apr 21, 2016 9:33:53 GMT -5
Ok. I'm glad you guys know so much about this.
You're not correct, but I'm done trying to convince people who have already made up their minds.
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Post by danr on Apr 21, 2016 11:03:12 GMT -5
I gained a lot of weight over several years prior to last year. Last year I lost 50 pounds through a combination of a low carb diet (but only because I am super-sensitive to carbs and can gain weight rapidly if I don't control them) and regular exercise. I used to have regular pain in my knees and hips. Now I have very little. I've always been physically strong with good stamina, but now it doesn't take as much effort. I am old but I don't feel it and I look much younger than I am - and did before I lost the weight.
I don't think there is any doubt that there is enormous benefit to an overweight person to lose weight. Much depends, however, on how it is done. It should not be done suddenly but over time. It is much more likely to stay off that way. There has to be good nutrition and exercise to make sure the weight that is lost is fat, not muscle.
The Panda would be much better off losing weight if he does it right. He would not be as injury prone and he would have more stamina. That doesn't necessarily mean he will hit or field better, but his reflexes probably will improve some, i.e. he could react faster and his body would have greater motion.
Given his body type, it would be unrealistic to think he could ever be thin. Ortiz isn't thin, either, but he is in good shape. Panda could be as well if he wants to be and sticks to a program.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2016 11:03:15 GMT -5
Maybe Adrian Peterson should put on 100 pounds and remain just as quick and shifty.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Apr 21, 2016 12:03:59 GMT -5
The other night Lou Merloni (The BB Show) said he can't fathom Pablo sitting around for 9 months rehabbing his shoulder. He is literally going to have someone live with him & monitor, prepare meals, treadmill, weight checks, ect. Like Dan said, it's better to lose weight slowly. He could use this year to reshape his physique to live up to the last 3 years of his deal. Maybe go out with some pride.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2016 14:48:06 GMT -5
Raft are you being serious? Yes quickness is largely determined by someone's reaction time and losing weight will not make Pablo's brain process and tell his body to move any faster. However, the other part of that is your muscles moving and shifting your WEIGHT from one point to another. If he maintains his strength and loses weight then he will move from point A to point B more quickly.
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