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Post by sox fan in nc on May 3, 2016 7:52:38 GMT -5
Old friend Alejandro De Aza is still not playing much for the Mets. Always liked De Aza..Professional hitter, some (OK, a little) pop, can play all OF positions, gives you good AB's, good base runner. Not sure what I'd give up for him & who leaves the 25-man?
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Post by iakovos11 on May 3, 2016 7:54:04 GMT -5
I should think that if the Sox were concerned enough to think about a trade that they'd have Marco playing left field every day at Pawtucket to see what they have in house. Swihart is getting some experience there.
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Post by nomar on May 3, 2016 7:57:17 GMT -5
I like Jay Bruce in a salary dump + lesser prospect deal. He has some upside, can hit RHP, and may benefit from playing on a new/more competitive team.
If they call up Swihart for let time LF duties I'll be annoyed.
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Post by jmei on May 3, 2016 8:04:34 GMT -5
Old friend Alejandro De Aza is still not playing much for the Mets. Always liked De Aza..Professional hitter, some (OK, a little) pop, can play all OF positions, gives you good AB's, good base runner. Not sure what I'd give up for him & who leaves the 25-man? They're carrying an extra reliever on the 25-man, and Barnes has options and is a little redundant now that Smith is back and Hembree looks intriguing. I suspect the trade cost would be minimal if the Red Sox picked up his entire contract-- maybe a low-minors flier. The Mets were trying to move him after they signed Cespedes but couldn't find any takers. Of course, May trades are rare, and by June/July, injuries or Benintendi's rise might change the situation. But I think there's some virtue to the idea of picking up someone that lets Holt be a true backup and gives everyone more days off (Pedroia, Bogaerts and Shaw haven't gotten too many days off; ditto JBJ and Betts and maybe even Holt himself).
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Post by radiohix on May 3, 2016 8:16:24 GMT -5
Always liked De Aza..Professional hitter, some (OK, a little) pop, can play all OF positions, gives you good AB's, good base runner. Not sure what I'd give up for him & who leaves the 25-man? They're carrying an extra reliever on the 25-man, and Barnes has options and is a little redundant now that Smith is back and Hembree looks intriguing. I suspect the trade cost would be minimal if the Red Sox picked up his entire contract-- maybe a low-minors flier. The Mets were trying to move him after they signed Cespedes but couldn't find any takers. Of course, May trades are rare, and by June/July, injuries or Benintendi's rise might change the situation. But I think there's some virtue to the idea of picking up someone that lets Holt be a true backup and gives everyone more days off (Pedroia, Bogaerts and Shaw haven't gotten too many days off; ditto JBJ and Betts and maybe even Holt himself). I would love seeing Holt giving days off to Holt himself.ADD: I know what you meant Jmei, no need for clarifications.
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Post by thursty on May 3, 2016 8:20:24 GMT -5
Nick Markakis is projected for .9 WAR by Steamer, and .6 WAR from ZIPS
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2016 10:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2016 10:35:50 GMT -5
I should think that if the Sox were concerned enough to think about a trade that they'd have Marco playing left field every day at Pawtucket to see what they have in house. Swihart is getting some experience there. I know but Swihart is an excellent hitter for a catcher, not so much as a left fielder. I also doubt if they will bring him up as the third catcher and completely mess up his catching future, that would make no sense. Last night, Swihart caught, Marco played SS and Castillo played left. Brentz has been at Portland for a while now and I kind of think thats to give others a look in left.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2016 10:46:57 GMT -5
Hernandez is almost certainly a worse hitter than Holt, though. Agreed but the underlying topic is to get Holt back into a daily utility role. Hernandez is a lot cheaper than the other alternatives and doesn't block anybody because he has options. If this was the case, it would become a Marco/Young platoon with Holt giving a lot of regulars a day off including Marco. Don't forget that with Castillo in the minors, we're down to two center fielders JBJ & Betts. Both those will need a periodic day off. Also with Marco, there's enough flexibility that we could send Rutledge down and keep the pen stacked. Marco plays SS, Rutledge doesn't. On Xander's days off, you could put Marco at SS, Holt in left. Suggestion, this is getting pretty lengthy, perhaps the mods should split it out as it's own topic.
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Post by jmei on May 3, 2016 11:03:47 GMT -5
I agree that Hernandez is a better fit for the current MLB roster than Rutledge (presumably the only reason they haven't made that switch is because Rutledge is out of options and would have to clear waivers, though I can't see how Rutledge sticks on the roster all season, so I'm not sure that matters). My concern is that, as you noted, the role that Hernandez would effectively play is as the left fielder versus RHP. I think Hernandez is a fringy enough hitter that you could cheaply and easily upgrade on that arrangement (even if it's just a temporary guy who you hope Benintendi will replace by the end of the year).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2016 11:14:40 GMT -5
I agree that Hernandez is a better fit for the current MLB roster than Rutledge (presumably the only reason they haven't made that switch is because Rutledge is out of options and would have to clear waivers, though I can't see how Rutledge sticks on the roster all season, so I'm not sure that matters). My concern is that, as you noted, the role that Hernandez would effectively play is as the left fielder versus RHP. I think Hernandez is a fringy enough hitter that you could cheaply and easily upgrade on that arrangement (even if it's just a temporary guy who you hope Benintendi will replace by the end of the year). We're in general agreement but the players named so far don't seem to fit that since none have options and none would likely clear waivers. I'm thinking the only reason Rutledge is there is because they want people like Marco and Marrero getting their dailies in and he's been on the bench while the team is on a roll. I'm guessing Rutledge would have a shot to clear waivers, marginal hitter, marginal defender with little flexibility. ADD: Don't misinterpret because I don't think he'll sustain this level but SSS facts are SSS facts. With the exception of LaMarre, Hernandez is seriously out OPSing the entire PawSox team including Travis and the PawSox have faced an unusual string of top pitching prospects which is a big part of why everyone else's OPS are so low.
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Post by ericmvan on May 3, 2016 11:44:40 GMT -5
lol, Benintendi bats from the left side and has the tools for LF+. You cannot wait for the wizard, Frodo. He's in Salem and he won't be here for a good long while. And when he's ready, you still have the Hernandez / Rutledge roster spot available. Benintendi starts in LF and your bench is New Guy, Young, Holt, and Hanigan. It's the bench we expected with the acquisition replacing Shaw who has replaced Sandoval, whose thread this is. I was going to say that some 1B experience would be a desirable feature for the addition. BTW, the first four guys on the Mets' bench have 32 to 39 PA, and de Aza has the 32. He's started 6 of their 24 games (4 in CF and 1 in each corner), pinch-hit in another 8, and had a PA in the one game he was a defensive replacement in a double switch. I sincerely doubt he's available unless they're getting someone better. Edit: In the meantime, I'm with guys who expect Hernandez to replace Barnes as soon as they can get Smith into the regular bullpen rotation, but just as a bench piece rather than getting any significant time in LF. A new guy could replace either him or Rutledge.
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Post by jimed14 on May 3, 2016 12:09:47 GMT -5
I like Jay Bruce in a salary dump + lesser prospect deal. He has some upside, can hit RHP, and may benefit from playing on a new/more competitive team. If they call up Swihart for let time LF duties I'll be annoyed. Maybe that trade for Jay Bruce guy was right all along.
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Post by okin15 on May 3, 2016 12:25:28 GMT -5
I agree that Hernandez is a better fit for the current MLB roster than Rutledge (presumably the only reason they haven't made that switch is because Rutledge is out of options and would have to clear waivers, though I can't see how Rutledge sticks on the roster all season, so I'm not sure that matters). My concern is that, as you noted, the role that Hernandez would effectively play is as the left fielder versus RHP. I think Hernandez is a fringy enough hitter that you could cheaply and easily upgrade on that arrangement (even if it's just a temporary guy who you hope Benintendi will replace by the end of the year). I disagree that Hernandez is a better fit. The lineup is young, healthy, and doesn't look to need any platoons anywhere. Marco would waste on the bench, as the starters should play practically every day (my opinion disagrees with yours here as well, our opinions should have a cage match over this some day). Better that Hernandez is a phone call away to come up and play regularly (perhaps platooning with Josh) in event of an emergency. Between Rutledge, Young, Hannigan, and the swiss army knives of Holt and Shaw, you can plug any hole short term. ADD: in addition to the transaction ease, the other benefits here are Hernandez playing every day, and possibly Hernandez getting additional positional versatility.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 3, 2016 12:27:07 GMT -5
]The Rangers have too many left hitting coner outfielder, Josh Hamilton basically costs nothing and considering his injuries, will play around 4 games a week and you could terminate his contract when you think your replacement (Benintendi) is ready. EDIT: He's hurt again and it doesn't look good. Mitch Moreland maybe? They need a spot for Gallo anyway. I was thinking of a Swihart for Mazara deal. Both are controllable with upside and are at positions of depth in their respective team. Probably have to include other pieces to make it even. After that trade you then have plenty of time to evaluate JBJ and Benintendi.
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Post by jmei on May 3, 2016 12:28:46 GMT -5
I agree that Hernandez is a better fit for the current MLB roster than Rutledge (presumably the only reason they haven't made that switch is because Rutledge is out of options and would have to clear waivers, though I can't see how Rutledge sticks on the roster all season, so I'm not sure that matters). My concern is that, as you noted, the role that Hernandez would effectively play is as the left fielder versus RHP. I think Hernandez is a fringy enough hitter that you could cheaply and easily upgrade on that arrangement (even if it's just a temporary guy who you hope Benintendi will replace by the end of the year). We're in general agreement but the players named so far don't seem to fit that since none have options and none would likely clear waivers. I'm thinking the only reason Rutledge is there is because they want people like Marco and Marrero getting their dailies in and he's been on the bench while the team is on a roll. I'm guessing Rutledge would have a shot to clear waivers, marginal hitter, marginal defender with little flexibility. ADD: Don't misinterpret because I don't think he'll sustain this level but SSS facts are SSS facts. With the exception of LaMarre, Hernandez is seriously out OPSing the entire PawSox team including Travis and the PawSox have faced an unusual string of top pitching prospects which is a big part of why everyone else's OPS are so low. I don't think it matters if they have options or not. I'd be surprised if Benintendi were up earlier than September, by which point rosters will have expanded. Even if you wanted to call up Benintendi sooner than that, if the guy he's replacing is on a one-year deal, you just DFA that temporary guy and eat the last two months of his contract, which is no big loss. Of course, the above discussion assumes the Red Sox have the budget room to acquire a guy with a significant contract (De Aza is paid $5.8m this year, Bruce is $12.5m) to be a platoon left fielder. There's a good chance that, if they're going to absorb significant salary, they'll only do so for a bigger upgrade, in which case this whole discussion is moot.
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Post by grandsalami on May 3, 2016 12:31:59 GMT -5
“@jeffpassan: Pablo Sandoval’s L shoulder surgery was indeed complicated: Included repair of labrum tear and cleanup of rotator cuff. He’s out until 2017.”
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Post by nomar on May 3, 2016 12:32:37 GMT -5
I like Jay Bruce in a salary dump + lesser prospect deal. He has some upside, can hit RHP, and may benefit from playing on a new/more competitive team. If they call up Swihart for let time LF duties I'll be annoyed. Maybe that trade for Jay Bruce guy was right all along.Oh my god. That guy is a legend. One of the all time great soxprospects villains and genuinely wasn't even trying to be.
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Post by jmei on May 3, 2016 12:35:36 GMT -5
The lineup is young, healthy, and doesn't look to need any platoons anywhere. Marco would waste on the bench, as the starters should play practically every day This is what I disagree with. I think this is a roster with veterans with injury histories who they should be giving regular days off (Pedroia, Ramirez, Ortiz) and young players who have rarely or never played a full 150+ game season and who they don't want to wear down (just about everyone else). Remember, this is a team without many position players in that age 26 to 29 sweet spot where they have a sustained track record of health/performance but are still in their physical peaks. With that kind of roster, I think you need to give guys regular days off throughout the season to keep them fresh and to build depth in case of injuries or underperformance.
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Post by mgoetze on May 3, 2016 13:02:06 GMT -5
the starters should play practically every day (my opinion disagrees with yours here as well, our opinions should have a cage match over this some day). Your and jmei's opinions notwithstanding, the unfortunate reality is that we're stuck with John "gotta throw the worst possible lineup out every Sunday" Farrell for the moment...
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Post by mandelbro on May 3, 2016 13:22:16 GMT -5
]The Rangers have too many left hitting coner outfielder, Josh Hamilton basically costs nothing and considering his injuries, will play around 4 games a week and you could terminate his contract when you think your replacement (Benintendi) is ready. EDIT: He's hurt again and it doesn't look good. Mitch Moreland maybe? They need a spot for Gallo anyway. I was thinking of a Swihart for Mazara deal. Both are controllable with upside and are at positions of depth in their respective team. Probably have to include other pieces to make it even. After that trade you then have plenty of time to evaluate JBJ and Benintendi. That would be outstanding. Not sure why Texas would agree to it though. Mazara isn't easy on the eyes at first with that splayed all over the place batting stance but he might be the AL batting champ some day and he's got RF-in-Fenway range.
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Post by okin15 on May 3, 2016 14:38:27 GMT -5
The lineup is young, healthy, and doesn't look to need any platoons anywhere. Marco would waste on the bench, as the starters should play practically every day This is what I disagree with. I think this is a roster with veterans with injury histories who they should be giving regular days off (Pedroia, Ramirez, Ortiz) and young players who have rarely or never played a full 150+ game season and who they don't want to wear down (just about everyone else). Remember, this is a team without many position players in that age 26 to 29 sweet spot where they have a sustained track record of health/performance but are still in their physical peaks. With that kind of roster, I think you need to give guys regular days off throughout the season to keep them fresh and to build depth in case of injuries or underperformance. I get the argument with Pedroia and Ramirez, but I still think it's giving them one day off a month, plus one DH day a month. The other guys are in their prime physically. Even though the track record isn't there in terms of results, they are at their physical peaks, and barring a mental health day, they don't really need to sit. I mean, how often are you going to sit Mookie (1.070 ML service days as of November), Bogaerts (2.042), JBJ (1.150), and Shaw (26 yo sweet spot) unless they are hurt or struggling? But even if you feel that each player needs to sit once every other week (plus built-in off days which are also basically every fortnight) then you can easily do that with Holt switching positions, and Chris Young getting a start. Basically, you can sit someone any time there's a LHP on the mound, which should be plenty often enough. And if someone gets something nagging, just call up Marco. He'll be up to speed because he's been playing every day, so you'll be able to slot him in and get his best.
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Post by jimed14 on May 3, 2016 15:08:57 GMT -5
Next season, the Red Sox should consider rotating DHs so they don't need to rest players as often and play with a scrub lineup.
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Post by mgoetze on May 3, 2016 15:14:15 GMT -5
Next season, the Red Sox should consider rotating DHs so they don't need to rest players as often and play with a scrub lineup. Or maybe get a manager who can stagger rest days and keep guys fresh without putting out a total scrub lineup? Hmmmmm.
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Post by jimed14 on May 3, 2016 15:16:46 GMT -5
Next season, the Red Sox should consider rotating DHs so they don't need to rest players as often and play with a scrub lineup. Or maybe get a manager who can stagger rest days and keep guys fresh without putting out a total scrub lineup? Hmmmmm. I'd go with both, unless there is some huge hitter they can trade for that makes a ton of sense like Schwarber. But I doubt he's going anywhere.
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