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Kopech fractures hand in altercation with teammate
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 8, 2016 16:38:29 GMT -5
So much talent and so little common sense. Punting 2 years of development is a pretty dumb thing to do. His talent will take him far, but counting on him is something that has gone out the window. Doubt this is the last time he gets in his own way.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 8, 2016 16:39:31 GMT -5
Anybody know where he can get a brain ?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 8, 2016 16:58:41 GMT -5
Anybody know where he can get a brain ? This guy can help
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 8, 2016 17:12:14 GMT -5
From Speier's March 1st article on Kopech overcoming his PED suspension:
“I wouldn’t want to call it a blessing in disguise, but it kind of is. Having six, seven, eight months now to be angry, to be fueled about where next season goes, it’s all I needed. It’s another push. It’s helped – even though I would hate to give any credit to it, it’s helped me,” said Kopech. “I think this season will prove a lot for me. I know how hard I’ve worked, and I know what I need to do this season. I think it will prove a lot of people wrong and a few people right.”
lol
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Post by soxfan06 on Mar 8, 2016 17:37:53 GMT -5
D U M B
Don't care how much talent you have if you are too stupid to function. I tell this to my employees every day. You don't have to like your co-workers, but you have to put up with them. Punching them is not putting up with them.
So stupid.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 8, 2016 17:42:35 GMT -5
This is kind of the risk that you run into when you draft kids out of high school.
That being said, Michael Silverman is way off in saying he'll be out the whole season. Bones heal faster than anything else really. The minor league season doesn't even start for another month. My guess is that he's back by early June.
I'm assuming it's his pitching hand, right?
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Post by humanbeingbean on Mar 8, 2016 17:51:01 GMT -5
Michael posted a picture with his roommate a few days ago on Twitter, and they seem to be close friends, as he's said. I don't know why Kopech felt the need to risk his throwing hand by throwing a punch, but things between friends happen, I guess. I think he certainly has a lot of maturing to do, but it's a little disingenuous or a step too far to sling insults and say his career's in jeopardy. Until he tells the whole story, I guess people will make judgments, but I feel like a ton of negative media attention at him would have an adverse effect: if the Boston media relentlessly piles on him (he'd be in my college class/grade, by the way), then it'd just make him feel more stigmatized.
The best thing to do is to let him heal and maybe set some curfews, or really make sure he's monitored individually. They have to drill it into his head that that hand of his is special, and he has to act like a Major Leaguer if he wants to become one. They have to tell him to his face that only he can control whether or not he gets to the big leagues, and invoke individual responsibility, while making sure there is that "safety net" of people watching him regardless.
That being said, I have no idea how minor leaguers are supervised. Maybe they already are and my points have been moot. I can't even really be disappointed with people calling him an idiot, but what would be really upsetting to see is if the media starts pouncing on him and calling any potential for him into question.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 8, 2016 17:51:19 GMT -5
This is kind of the risk that you run into when you draft kids out of high school. That being said, Michael Silverman is way off in saying he'll be out the whole season. Bones heal faster than anything else really. The minor league season doesn't even start for another month. My guess is that he's back by early June. I'm assuming it's his pitching hand, right? I think commenting on his injury downplaying the severity or exaggerating it at the moment is all wrong. Just have no idea yet. Also, it depends on the bone. There's a slew of hand/wrist bones that are tough to heal that cause problems. For example, I've broken a bone in my lower hand and years later I can feel the effects of it every once in a while.
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 8, 2016 18:21:27 GMT -5
It sucks. Hopefully he'll learn from it and won't be out to long. The Speier article about him only made me more optimistic about his potential and now this...
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Post by nomar on Mar 8, 2016 18:25:22 GMT -5
Hopefully the whole country can learn from this #StopPunchingYourFriends2016
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 8, 2016 18:46:20 GMT -5
I think it's a little early to declare Kopech the next Jon Denny or Andy Yount. Seriously. Unless you think he's lying about not knowingly taking the substance that led to the positive test last year (and given that it is for cutting weight, his story checks out...), I don't get it. It's a sigh-and-headshake situation, not one in which you fear his career is going off the rails. FWIW, having very recently had a boxer's fracture myself (early Jan. 2014), the cast was on for 8 weeks, iirc. That said, it was definitely weak as hell afterwards - I thought I re-broke it playing basketball a few weeks later when trying to catch a pass bent my fingers back. If it is indeed a boxer's fracture, I'd guess he's in rehab games in June?
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Post by telson13 on Mar 8, 2016 18:57:45 GMT -5
This is kind of the risk that you run into when you draft kids out of high school. That being said, Michael Silverman is way off in saying he'll be out the whole season. Bones heal faster than anything else really. The minor league season doesn't even start for another month. My guess is that he's back by early June. I'm assuming it's his pitching hand, right? I think commenting on his injury downplaying the severity or exaggerating it at the moment is all wrong. Just have no idea yet. Also, it depends on the bone. There's a slew of hand/wrist bones that are tough to heal that cause problems. For example, I've broken a bone in my lower hand and years later I can feel the effects of it every once in a while. It's almost assured that it's a metacarpal fracture, and boxeer's fractures are typically transverse, and heal within 6-8 weeks, 8-10 if it's severe. It takes a little longer for the muscles within the hand to regain strength, and there's usually some tightness of the connective tissue after. Probably 12 weeks give or take before he's pitching, maybe less if it's a minor, non-displaced fracture. It would be very unusual for him to have a fracture below the metacarpals from a punch. If he's lucky, it's the 4th/5th (ring or little finger), and it doesn't really affect his grip at all.
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Post by rangoon82 on Mar 8, 2016 19:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 8, 2016 22:39:10 GMT -5
I think it's a little early to declare Kopech the next Jon Denny or Andy Yount. Seriously. Unless you think he's lying about not knowingly taking the substance that led to the positive test last year (and given that it is for cutting weight, his story checks out...), I don't get it. It's a sigh-and-headshake situation, not one in which you fear his career is going off the rails. Well, punching someone could technically have resulted in assault charges.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 8, 2016 23:17:53 GMT -5
Seriously. Unless you think he's lying about not knowingly taking the substance that led to the positive test last year (and given that it is for cutting weight, his story checks out...), I don't get it. It's a sigh-and-headshake situation, not one in which you fear his career is going off the rails. Well, punching someone could technically have resulted in assault charges. You're stretching it a bit. If everyone who ever got into a scrap with an acquaintance got charged with assault there wouldn't be enough jails in the world to hold them all. It's also not a planet where I would consciously choose to hang out. Got to say that Hazen really impressed me with his response, though. Coming to you from the great Northwest
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Post by vinscully on Mar 8, 2016 23:25:12 GMT -5
His judgement can certainly be called into question.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 9, 2016 0:03:14 GMT -5
..and that's what's happening.
He's got it in neutral when everyone was expecting high gear. It's a disappointment because he can't seem to locate the learning curve, but this is a relatively small blip in the bigger picture. But yes, if he keeps throwing splatter marks on that picture it's a concern. It's one thing to be a hothead, quite another to be an airhead. Does he know the difference? Guess we'll find out.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 9, 2016 2:07:08 GMT -5
In terms of his development, I don't see it affecting him too much. Sure he could have dominated in Salem and been promoted to Portland but I was expecting him to be at Salem most of the year anyways.
I do feel bad for Kopech, even though it is all his fault and it was stupid as quoted by Hazen. Just seems like when it rains, it pours and Kopech has been in sitting in a tropical storm for the past 8-9 months it seems. He still is only 19.
Just hope he learns and gets out of this bad stretch of stuff that's been revolving around him because of poor judgment due to the fact that he's so young and immature.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 9, 2016 8:27:57 GMT -5
Not helpful for building up innings either, which is still a big part of the development ahead of him.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Mar 9, 2016 9:05:41 GMT -5
Not helpful for building up innings either, which is still a big part of the development ahead of him. Can't decide if he is a Ryan Dunne or Eric Van Leemer.......That aside, he is still only 19.....I am concerned, but if he were 23 & on the cusp of a call-up, I would be more concerned. I see him in Salem for his 1/2 year, then Portland next year to build up innings, then Pawtucket in 2018, maybe for the full year there to continue innings buildup.....even in 2019, he'll still be only 22. From here on though, he would have to keep his nose clean, no fights, guns, PEDS, DUI's, ect.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 9, 2016 9:05:43 GMT -5
Not the end of the world necessary, but Kopech's behavior is now a thing. It's been officially upgraded to "a thing" status.
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Post by burythehammer on Mar 9, 2016 10:03:00 GMT -5
Yeah. Harder to believe now that the oxilofrine thing was really an honest mistake.
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Post by atzar on Mar 9, 2016 10:28:47 GMT -5
Yeah. Harder to believe now that the oxilofrine thing was really an honest mistake. Eh, I disagree. That was that and this is this. Athletes have skirmishes all the time when they don't see eye to eye. I've seen some myself. It's definitely stupid - and the potential for this to happen is exactly why it's stupid - but that doesn't automatically make him a compulsive cheater, liar or whatever else. I do agree with FTHW that his behavior is "a thing" now, though. By all accounts he's a hard worker, but that doesn't matter if he constantly finds reasons to not be on the field. Hope he makes better decisions from now on.
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 9, 2016 10:52:21 GMT -5
I think it's a little early to declare Kopech the next Jon Denny or Andy Yount. Seriously. Unless you think he's lying about not knowingly taking the substance that led to the positive test last year (and given that it is for cutting weight, his story checks out...), I don't get it. It's a sigh-and-headshake situation, not one in which you fear his career is going off the rails. FWIW, having very recently had a boxer's fracture myself (early Jan. 2014), the cast was on for 8 weeks, iirc. That said, it was definitely weak as hell afterwards - I thought I re-broke it playing basketball a few weeks later when trying to catch a pass bent my fingers back. If it is indeed a boxer's fracture, I'd guess he's in rehab games in June? What Soxprospects staff member did you punch? Was it related to Mookie being ranked 10th at the time?
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 9, 2016 11:10:21 GMT -5
Yeah. Harder to believe now that the oxilofrine thing was really an honest mistake. No it doesn't. Not at all.
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