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Kopech fractures hand in altercation with teammate
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 15, 2016 18:19:02 GMT -5
Speier says he had it pinned today, 6 weeks till throwing
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 15, 2016 18:27:42 GMT -5
Speier says he had it pinned today, 6 weeks till throwing I bet he loses half of the season. Damn!
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Post by telson13 on Mar 15, 2016 19:16:28 GMT -5
Eh, they gave Mookie an AFL shot after his breakout Greenville/Salem year. I think if Kopech pitches similarly to last year, only over 80-100 innings or so, they might try the AFL and even a winter league figuring he'll be in AA to start next year anyway. It might be unusual, but not shockingly so. Eh, maybe. I still think that might be a shade over his head, but I'll back down on that a little bit after reviewing the pitchers they've sent there. He'd only be a little less experienced than typical, not far less. Usually a pitcher sent there to start has at least some Double-A experience. But they sent Miguel Pena there in 2013, in his second full season, which he'd started in Salem and gotten 3 Portland starts, to make up innings, presumably from one of his suspensions. That said, he turned 23 that October. Kopech will be 20. The last time they sent a pitcher that young to AZ was Casey Kelly. Of course, that was also the last time they had a HS pitcher who was this good and needed innings. So I slowly find myself backing down and agreeing with you the longer this post goes. Lol. Lol. It's interesting that you bring up Kelly...he's the last legitimate pitching prospect they've sent, at least as far as I can recall. On some level, I wonder if they'll even send Kopech. Espinoza is another question mark. I doubt it, but then again they seem to use the AFL as a kind of MLB finishing school and 40-man roster decision point. So if they think those two might warrant Sept 2017 call ups, idk. Espinoza could have too many innings, but maybe they send him on limited action to see how he does against higher-level competition. And Kopech probably needs innings, but might be on a slow track. Moncada and Devers could be candidates as well. But it'll probably be Rijo, Dubon...guys like that, or farther down the depth chart.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 15, 2016 19:28:18 GMT -5
Speier says he had it pinned today, 6 weeks till throwing I bet he loses half of the season. Damn! Displaced is way more hassle, much longer rehab, much more interosseous and thenar (intrinsic hand muscles) atrophy. Yeah, probably 6-8 weeks in XST after the 6 weeks pinned, plus a couple weeks for healing after the pin's removed. If he's lucky he'll be pitching games in early/mid-June. So 2-3 starts in June, 5-6 each in July/August and maybe 3-4 in Sept. To me it looks like he might make 80-100 innings over 16-20 starts (including possible playoffs).
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 15, 2016 23:52:40 GMT -5
Here's hoping this stuff starts to insinuate itself on his thinking. He's not immortal, and he needs to figure that out before he gets much older. This is how careers get pissed away.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 16, 2016 11:10:03 GMT -5
Eh, maybe. I still think that might be a shade over his head, but I'll back down on that a little bit after reviewing the pitchers they've sent there. He'd only be a little less experienced than typical, not far less. Usually a pitcher sent there to start has at least some Double-A experience. But they sent Miguel Pena there in 2013, in his second full season, which he'd started in Salem and gotten 3 Portland starts, to make up innings, presumably from one of his suspensions. That said, he turned 23 that October. Kopech will be 20. The last time they sent a pitcher that young to AZ was Casey Kelly. Of course, that was also the last time they had a HS pitcher who was this good and needed innings. So I slowly find myself backing down and agreeing with you the longer this post goes. Lol. IIRC Kelly played SS in the AFL (and only on Tuesdays and Thursdays or something cause that's when callups were allowed to play... it was a bizarre rule that only lasted the one year I think). In my mind, Kopech has a chance to get there even if he doesn't pitch in AA this year, but he certainly would have to pitch well in his shortened stint at A+. More likely IMO, the Sox aren't going to reward him for his poor choices with a (basically) promotion. Instead, I'd like to see them pitch instructs and then go dominate some winter league where he can prove he has turned a corner off the field. The carrot would be a potential start to the season in AA in 2017. RE: Kelly, you're not wrong, but neither am I. That was 2009. I was referring to when he went as a pitcher in 2010.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 16, 2016 11:11:32 GMT -5
Eh, maybe. I still think that might be a shade over his head, but I'll back down on that a little bit after reviewing the pitchers they've sent there. He'd only be a little less experienced than typical, not far less. Usually a pitcher sent there to start has at least some Double-A experience. But they sent Miguel Pena there in 2013, in his second full season, which he'd started in Salem and gotten 3 Portland starts, to make up innings, presumably from one of his suspensions. That said, he turned 23 that October. Kopech will be 20. The last time they sent a pitcher that young to AZ was Casey Kelly. Of course, that was also the last time they had a HS pitcher who was this good and needed innings. So I slowly find myself backing down and agreeing with you the longer this post goes. Lol. Lol. It's interesting that you bring up Kelly...he's the last legitimate pitching prospect they've sent, at least as far as I can recall. On some level, I wonder if they'll even send Kopech. Espinoza is another question mark. I doubt it, but then again they seem to use the AFL as a kind of MLB finishing school and 40-man roster decision point. So if they think those two might warrant Sept 2017 call ups, idk. Espinoza could have too many innings, but maybe they send him on limited action to see how he does against higher-level competition. And Kopech probably needs innings, but might be on a slow track. Moncada and Devers could be candidates as well. But it'll probably be Rijo, Dubon...guys like that, or farther down the depth chart. Players with a winter league in their home countries can't go to Arizona. Espinoza, even if he fit the criteria (he's a year away from that sort of consideration, imo), isn't eligible. Neither would Devers, or Rijo be. Moncada is a definite possibility this year. Depends on if he's gassed at the end of the year. Same with Benintendi.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Mar 16, 2016 13:00:03 GMT -5
I was sort of hoping that Kopech & Espinosa would come up the ranks together as they are BY FAR the 2 top pitchers in the next wave of prospects....I figured they could push &/or feed off each other.....still might happen as Espinosa will start in Greenville.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 16, 2016 16:14:17 GMT -5
Lol. It's interesting that you bring up Kelly...he's the last legitimate pitching prospect they've sent, at least as far as I can recall. On some level, I wonder if they'll even send Kopech. Espinoza is another question mark. I doubt it, but then again they seem to use the AFL as a kind of MLB finishing school and 40-man roster decision point. So if they think those two might warrant Sept 2017 call ups, idk. Espinoza could have too many innings, but maybe they send him on limited action to see how he does against higher-level competition. And Kopech probably needs innings, but might be on a slow track. Moncada and Devers could be candidates as well. But it'll probably be Rijo, Dubon...guys like that, or farther down the depth chart. Players with a winter league in their home countries can't go to Arizona. Espinoza, even if he fit the criteria (he's a year away from that sort of consideration, imo), isn't eligible. Neither would Devers, or Rijo be. Moncada is a definite possibility this year. Depends on if he's gassed at the end of the year. Same with Benintendi. Good point, I'd completely forgotten about that rule. Dubon is Honduran, right? But yeah, Rijo, Espinoza, and Devers wouldn't be eligible.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 16, 2016 16:37:32 GMT -5
Players with a winter league in their home countries can't go to Arizona. Espinoza, even if he fit the criteria (he's a year away from that sort of consideration, imo), isn't eligible. Neither would Devers, or Rijo be. Moncada is a definite possibility this year. Depends on if he's gassed at the end of the year. Same with Benintendi. Good point, I'd completely forgotten about that rule. Dubon is Honduran, right? But yeah, Rijo, Espinoza, and Devers wouldn't be eligible. Well a) Honduras doesn't have a league, and b) he went to high school in the United States for a couple years, so they'd probably consider him American. Same thing with Asuaje, who was born in VZ but raised in the US.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 16, 2016 19:20:07 GMT -5
Good point, I'd completely forgotten about that rule. Dubon is Honduran, right? But yeah, Rijo, Espinoza, and Devers wouldn't be eligible. Well a) Honduras doesn't have a league, and b) he went to high school in the United States for a couple years, so they'd probably consider him American. Same thing with Asuaje, who was born in VZ but raised in the US. Yeah, kinda my point: Honduras has no recognized organized league so Dubon would be eligible. I'm sure there's a rule clarification somewhere on US residency time. Still, I find myself raising my eyebrow at the guys they send to the AFL sometimes. Frankly, I hope they start by putting Dubon back at SS and go from there. He's got the skills, and with Guerra gone there's no reason to keep him at 2b.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 19, 2016 12:29:49 GMT -5
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 19, 2016 12:53:38 GMT -5
He also said the right things in the article Speier released about a day or two before the hand thing lol
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Post by sox fan in nc on Mar 21, 2016 10:21:43 GMT -5
Not that it may mean a whole lot, but I saw that Brandon Workman & Jacob Dahlstrand will also be rehabbing in XST @ Fenway South.....They are both fellow Texans, as well as being pitchers & have been in the game for a while, so they may have some impact on the young Kopech. Especially Workman, who has been to the top of the mountain. Not sure how it works, but maybe they will have workouts together, meals together, ect.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 21, 2016 18:06:27 GMT -5
Not that it may mean a whole lot, but I saw that Brandon Workman & Jacob Dahlstrand will also be rehabbing in XST @ Fenway South.....They are both fellow Texans, as well as being pitchers & have been in the game for a while, so they may have some impact on the young Kopech. Especially Workman, who has been to the top of the mountain. Not sure how it works, but maybe they will have workouts together, meals together, ect. "Kopech beats up Brandon Workman in cafeteria brawl"
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 25, 2016 2:46:25 GMT -5
Sorry, I can't find it again but, I saw a training academy video for pitchers which included a lot of footage of Kopech. Damn, he's buff looking and then some.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 25, 2016 3:13:13 GMT -5
Not that it may mean a whole lot, but I saw that Brandon Workman & Jacob Dahlstrand will also be rehabbing in XST @ Fenway South.....They are both fellow Texans, as well as being pitchers & have been in the game for a while, so they may have some impact on the young Kopech. Especially Workman, who has been to the top of the mountain. Not sure how it works, but maybe they will have workouts together, meals together, ect. "Kopech beats up Brandon Workman in cafeteria brawl" Haha I would bet on the big Texan.
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Post by thebogeyman on Apr 19, 2016 12:25:10 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any updates on Kopech? Six weeks is next week, I believe.
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 25, 2016 19:38:25 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any updates on Kopech? Six weeks is next week, I believe. Six weeks from March 15th is tomorrow.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 25, 2016 20:17:08 GMT -5
I saw a reference that he was playing catch for about a week now.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 25, 2016 21:25:44 GMT -5
Speier says he had it pinned today, 6 weeks till throwing I bet he loses half of the season. Damn! Right now, after six weeks, it looks to be a lot less than that.
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Post by adamgregory81 on May 19, 2016 11:19:18 GMT -5
And now we are going on 10 weeks!?
Has anyone heard anything? I can't find anything on the internet.
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Post by ramireja on May 19, 2016 11:25:17 GMT -5
Speier said this past week that he has resumed baseball activities, although I don't think there is a set timeline for game action.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 19, 2016 12:07:58 GMT -5
I saw a reference that he was playing catch for about a week now. Wow! That's got to be tiring!
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 19, 2016 14:01:54 GMT -5
Isn't Brandon Workman able to play catch yet as well? 11 months since TJ.
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