SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
5/3-5/5 Red Sox @ White Sox Series Thread
|
Post by jimed14 on May 5, 2016 22:27:29 GMT -5
Owens' swing and miss stuff is impossible to forget. If he improves his command/control to average, he's a #2 pitcher.
|
|
|
Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 22:31:07 GMT -5
The sox have the bats and the pen. A solid overall defense. And now they have good starting pitching. This team has a shot of winning it this year.
|
|
|
Post by huskies15 on May 5, 2016 22:31:16 GMT -5
Mookie is popping up a lot of pitches these days. A lot of them are pitches he usually kills
|
|
radiohix
Veteran
'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
Posts: 6,410
|
Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 22:33:18 GMT -5
Boy those CWS catchers are turning strikes into balls.
|
|
|
Post by benogliviesbrother on May 5, 2016 22:40:40 GMT -5
Robbie Ross Time?
|
|
|
Post by telson13 on May 5, 2016 22:41:47 GMT -5
JBJ still plays like a winner. It seems like he comes up with a lot of big plays for a guy hitting 9th. Regarding Owens, I saw him once in Portland give up rocket after rocket on his fastball one day so I do have some bias on that possibly but I don't see a pitcher who is going to blow a fastball by anyone and I also don't see a guy who realistically is going to be a control pitcher. I love the deception but why would mlb players go up there swinging against him? They should just wait him out until he has to throw it over the plate. And when they do, they will hit a lot of 2 and 3 run dingers. Is it possible he develops into a stud. Sure, but I would trade him in a hearbeat for significant value. He is good starting pitcher depth. That's it. I don't see him as a long term solution with the Sox. Maybe a #4 or 5 at best. I saw him in Portland throw 8 innings with 11k and I think 1 walk and three hits, and never get over 91 on the stadium gun. So I feel ya on the bias. And you're re-affirming what I said, in a way: they don't have to swing until he hits his spots. And if he can work the edges, the FB and change make each other better pitches. There's a lot of ground between "stud" and afterthought. He's still very young, it's worth their while to see if they can develop him, because he's not going to headline a deal right now.
|
|
|
Post by bookiemetts on May 5, 2016 22:45:41 GMT -5
Lol there are 15 BBs between the two teams so far tonight
|
|
|
Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 22:48:28 GMT -5
They need starter depth so he serves a purpose. Just saying I'm not counting on him going forward. It looks like we may not need him to be a stud though if the rest of the rotation works out and maybe we have a #5 in Erod and / or Kelly. I like our chances this year.
|
|
radiohix
Veteran
'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
Posts: 6,410
|
Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 22:48:41 GMT -5
Ross-Hanigan is the most caucasian battery in baseball.
|
|
|
Post by telson13 on May 5, 2016 22:52:13 GMT -5
Barnes now *averaging* a hair under 97 with his FB. If his CB and CH develop to be reliable (commandable) secondaries (and the CB looks pretty well on its way), do they try him in the rotation ever again? Is he Martinez (a la Cardinals development track) candidate? I'm not advocating yet, but as his control and command of the FB have improved, so has his velocity. A huge part of that is the "air it out in relief" thing, but his stuff is pretty damn good. What if he adds a two-seamer or cutter? Or ups his 91-mph slider use?
|
|
radiohix
Veteran
'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
Posts: 6,410
|
Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 22:55:11 GMT -5
We won the Ranaudo trade guys.
|
|
ericmvan
Veteran
Supposed to be working on something more important
Posts: 8,941
|
Post by ericmvan on May 5, 2016 22:55:24 GMT -5
It's too bad because there's a good pitcher in there. I hear see he's got great deception. FIFY. With the bases full he threw a 90 mph fastball right by Brett Lawrie in a zone (middle, top third) where he has swung 77% of the time in his career, made contact 84% of the time that he swung (admittedly, nearly half of them fouls), and slugged .586 when he's made contact and put the ball in play. It was the swing you'd expect him to put on a 95 mph pitch. I mean, really, with his FB command and velocity, he'd be getting hit much harder if he didn't have an effective extra 3 to 5 mph. Edit: It's pretty well-established that the one thing velocity is good for is getting away with mistakes in hitter's hot zones.
|
|
|
Post by telson13 on May 5, 2016 23:01:33 GMT -5
Wow, Ross with some gas, too. He's sitting 94 this year, with Hembree, Tazawa, and Smith right there too. Kimbrel and Barnes on either side of 97. Koji mixing things up with 87. This bullpen is nasty.
|
|
|
Post by scottysmalls on May 5, 2016 23:06:20 GMT -5
I love Ross, but sometimes I think Farrell forgets that Tommy Layne is on the team.
|
|
|
Post by telson13 on May 5, 2016 23:07:57 GMT -5
Is it just me, or are there an inordinate number of pitches over the heart of the plate being called balls?
|
|
radiohix
Veteran
'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
Posts: 6,410
|
Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 23:09:00 GMT -5
OK, we've seen the Sox against two of the teams playing very bad baseball, let's see how they do against a team with the best record in the AL so far. (and missing their best pitcher). We're taking 2 out of three here. I saw it in the flames.
|
|
atzar
Veteran
Posts: 1,817
|
Post by atzar on May 5, 2016 23:09:56 GMT -5
Great win. Usually don't expect to win a game in which your starter gets nine outs. Props to the bullpen for doing work tonight.
|
|
|
Post by jclmontana on May 5, 2016 23:10:24 GMT -5
Wow. Robbie Ross. Just remember folks, NEVER trade starting pitching for a reliever.
|
|
|
Post by Don Caballero on May 5, 2016 23:11:56 GMT -5
Great series! The team is looking goofy strong right now.
|
|
radiohix
Veteran
'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
Posts: 6,410
|
Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 23:13:46 GMT -5
Wow. Robbie Ross. Just remember folks, NEVER trade starting pitching for a reliever. Trading Bad starting pitchers for good relievers is OK.
|
|
|
Post by telson13 on May 5, 2016 23:17:40 GMT -5
Huge series win against the hottest team in the AL, on the road no less. The RED Sox are starting to looking like the class of the East, if not the AL in general. Weird moves aside, I've gotta give Farrell credit for getting these guys to gel. The bullpen looks awesome (Ross is brutal on LH!!), the offense is relentless, and the rotation has at least had a nice surprise in Wright, and Rodriguez coming back soon. Shades of 2013: hitting, defense, relief pitching, and unspectacular but sufficient starting pitching. Plus, potential late-season contributions from Benintendi and possibly Moncada.
|
|
|
Post by huskies15 on May 5, 2016 23:18:33 GMT -5
Holy cow Ross with the 95-97 gas tonight
|
|
redsox04071318champs
Veteran
Always hoping to make my handle even longer...
Posts: 15,687
Member is Online
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on May 5, 2016 23:53:08 GMT -5
It makes me nervous to say it, but I think the Red Sox just might be the class of the league.
I don't know if Buchholz has really turned it around. His track record says he'll be good in May and June and get injured in July, but if he indeed has turned it around, you have him, Price who will turn it around, Porcello who's continuing off of what he did when he got off the DL last season, Wright throwing his nasty knuckler, and E-Rod coming back, which would make for a very strong rotation.
The bullpen has been lights out. With the exception of the ageless Koji Uehara, who lulls batters to sleep with that nasty splitter, the bullpen throws some serious gas. The mopup mean are basically Hembree, Barnes, and Ross, and I think all three of them at worst are decent useful relievers. Meanwhile, Kimbrel, Uehara, Smith, and Tazawa make up a very strong quartet to protect leads and tie games.
The lineup has been strong at just about every position with the exception of catcher, which isn't that bad, and if they wanted offense from the position they have a strong hitting catcher in AAA.
Pedroia is hitting like he always has when healthy. Ortiz is a guy no team in their right mind would want to face. Hanley and Shaw have been solid offensive support guys. Holt is doing what he normally does. Bogaerts is continuing off of last season, and it's scary to think that Betts is soon going to go off and raise his BA from .250 to .300 at some point while he continues to hit with some pop. And Bradley is hitting with some pop and getting on base at a decent clip.
So the offense takes walks, gets their base hits, steals bases, runs the bases very well, and so far only lacks home run power, although they hit more than their fair share of doubles and triples. You have to figure the homers will come when the weather gets warmer.
Defensively the team has been surprisingly solid. Vazquez is about as good as it gets behind the plate. Shaw and Hanley have handled their position switches very well. Bogaerts and Pedroia are solid up the middle and the outfield can go get it between Holt, Bradley, and Betts.
And by August it's not out of the realm of possibility that Benintendi forces his way into the LF picture.
So I look at the team and I see a well rounded ballclub. Maybe the Cubs are the only team that looks better, but I'm really starting to think that the Red Sox are for real. Hope I haven't jinxed them! But I like how this team is shaping up.
|
|
|
Post by fenwaythehardway on May 6, 2016 6:33:27 GMT -5
I hear see he's got great deception. FIFY. With the bases full he threw a 90 mph fastball right by Brett Lawrie in a zone (middle, top third) where he has swung 77% of the time in his career, made contact 84% of the time that he swung (admittedly, nearly half of them fouls), and slugged .586 when he's made contact and put the ball in play. It was the swing you'd expect him to put on a 95 mph pitch. I mean, really, with his FB command and velocity, he'd be getting hit much harder if he didn't have an effective extra 3 to 5 mph. Edit: It's pretty well-established that the one thing velocity is good for is getting away with mistakes in hitter's hot zones. I know you're into small samples, but one pitch is pushing it a bit much, don't you think? In his MLB career, hitters are .328/.448/.557 against his fastball. I'd hate to think what hitters would be doing to it if they weren't so deceived.
|
|
|
Post by brianthetaoist on May 6, 2016 6:35:01 GMT -5
I hear see he's got great deception. FIFY. With the bases full he threw a 90 mph fastball right by Brett Lawrie in a zone (middle, top third) where he has swung 77% of the time in his career, made contact 84% of the time that he swung (admittedly, nearly half of them fouls), and slugged .586 when he's made contact and put the ball in play. It was the swing you'd expect him to put on a 95 mph pitch. I mean, really, with his FB command and velocity, he'd be getting hit much harder if he didn't have an effective extra 3 to 5 mph. Edit: It's pretty well-established that the one thing velocity is good for is getting away with mistakes in hitter's hot zones. He's also got good movement on his FB. It's a moderately effective pitch by results, which is fine. "Stuff" is not synonymous with "velocity." I mean, generally there's a very strong correlation, but Owens has an elite, best-in-class change, so he's different. He can get by with being moderately effective with his other pitches, and his fastball gives him that. He doesn't even need elite command, just decent command, and he'll be a solid starter that will eat innings. Does he get there? Who knows? I suspect he will eventually improve enough to have at least a long career. But it may not be with the Sox.
|
|
|