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Post by cba82 on Jun 10, 2016 14:56:32 GMT -5
Nothing like giving $3-4 million to a 17-year-old with "immaturity and idiocy" (per Keith Law) issues. What could possibly go wrong? The same Keith Law had him as the second best player in this draft, said most of the rumors surrounding him were false, and said again today he would've drafted him top 3 even with the inside knowledge he has about his "character issues". In what other industry can a 17-year-old be paid millions of dollars more on the basis of potential than actual accomplishment? No matter the individual, this is a process fraught with risk (and I'm not sure it says much positive about our society and our values).
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 10, 2016 15:00:17 GMT -5
Nogosek BA #164, MLB #175, PG #177 (picked 178, the very definition of slot)
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 10, 2016 15:01:08 GMT -5
So they're just going to offer Groome slot then?
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 10, 2016 15:01:35 GMT -5
Or maybe they talked to him and don't like there chances of signing him freeing up that slot money Expect Rickard came out last night and basically said they know what it takes to sign him and they're encouraged he'll sign. Guys, they know what the price tag is and they are drafting accordingly today. No conspiracy theories or sky is falling rhetoric needed. We all agreed to this when we signed up, it's in the user agreement for the site right between the overreacting at every move they make bashing the managers bullpen usage clauses.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 10, 2016 15:01:47 GMT -5
If there's something more irritating in sports than the vague "character issues" talk that surrounds a few baseball prospects every draft, I don't know what it is.
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Post by kungfuizzy on Jun 10, 2016 15:03:36 GMT -5
The same Keith Law had him as the second best player in this draft, said most of the rumors surrounding him were false, and said again today he would've drafted him top 3 even with the inside knowledge he has about his "character issues". In what other industry can a 17-year-old be paid millions of dollars more on the basis of potential than actual accomplishment? No matter the individual, this is a process fraught with risk (and I'm not sure it says much positive about our society and our values). I love this line of thinking. Sox fans who hump prospects all day complain that the team has no top end talent in the farm system that could turn into an ace aside from Espinoza. Sox draft someone at 17 years old with maturity issues and people complain. I mean this was a top talent that should never have been there at 12. Who would you have drafted? As for financials lets face it, sports falls under the entertainment industry. Tom Cruise used to make 40 million for one movie. Its the sliding scale of the entertainment industry. Top draft picks will always get millions of dollars up front. Not sure where you're going with this. Also, on another note. The logic of punting a pick to get another one in a "stronger" draft the following year seems to be a topic EVERY YEAR. What does that tell you?
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 10, 2016 15:04:43 GMT -5
So they're just going to offer Groome slot then? If rounds 2-10 are all slot picks, they could offer Groome $3,192,800 + 5% of the total pool ($6,997,400), or $3,542,670. In that case, BOS would not be able to sign anyone past round 10 for more than $100,000.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 10, 2016 15:07:19 GMT -5
It'd be funny if we found out one of the things that makes people think Groome is immature is that he says (and believes) things like "the money doesn't matter." And he didn't like the "professional-style environment" (a phrase on their webpage) at IMG
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Post by texs31 on Jun 10, 2016 15:08:54 GMT -5
The same Keith Law had him as the second best player in this draft, said most of the rumors surrounding him were false, and said again today he would've drafted him top 3 even with the inside knowledge he has about his "character issues". In what other industry can a 17-year-old be paid millions of dollars more on the basis of potential than actual accomplishment? No matter the individual, this is a process fraught with risk (and I'm not sure it says much positive about our society and our values). Oookaaay (slowly tiptoeing backwards)
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 10, 2016 15:09:00 GMT -5
In what other industry can a 17-year-old be paid millions of dollars more on the basis of potential than actual accomplishment? No matter the individual, this is a process fraught with risk (and I'm not sure it says much positive about our society and our values). I think that you'd open a can of worms with that thought path. I mean by that logic, what does it say about our country that sports players make millions upon millions of dollars while teachers, police officers, fire fighters, EMT's, librarians and returning military struggle to make ends meet? I think you're asking for a discussion way beyond the purpose of this website.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 10, 2016 15:12:25 GMT -5
"Sox fans who hump prospects all day complain that the team has no top end talent in the farm system that could turn into an ace aside from Espinoza." -- While I'm not sure this is even a sentence, you haven't seen me "hump prospects" (so to speak), all day long or otherwise.
Sorry to be a skunk at the picnic. Now, back to the show...
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Post by texs31 on Jun 10, 2016 15:12:42 GMT -5
Exactly, Trill.
It should, by now, be assumed that we've said bye-bye to reasonability when it comes to sports and the money involved. If you haven't come to grips with that (since it's NOT going to change) maybe it's not the right entertainment for you.
EDIT: By the way, I didn't mean for that to sound disrespectful. I just meant that the only way to have a reasonable discussion about sports is to ignore the very unreasonable concept of player compensation relative to the value that's brought to society (you can easily loop in actors, musicians, etc into this).
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2016 15:15:58 GMT -5
Bobby Dalbec big time power bat, led Cape in HRs, terrible Junior Year. #118 on BA. Nice pick. They are killing this draft so far. Q: is Bobby Dalbec going to be able hit professional pitching? seems like a bad pick for Boston. Keith Law: Where they took him (4th) was fair. Huge power, maybe 80 power, too much swing and miss. Fourth round expected value is near zero, so rolling the dice on a kid who might only have a 5% chance of clicking but is a solid #6 hitter if he does work out is reasonable. Also, while I like some players more than others, it's a little hard to make a "bad" pick by this point in the draft.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 10, 2016 15:16:13 GMT -5
Keith Law chat:
Brian: Keith, the Red Sox selected Florida’s closer, Shaun Anderson, in round 3, mlb.com suggests he could be made a starter. But for this year, is he someone that the Sox could put in the big league pen this year and then try him as a starter in the minors next? Is that bad for his development? Is he even good enough to consider that? Thanks a lot.
Klaw: I don’t think he can be a starter. It’s not outrageous, but I think he’s a pen guy, and I’d do what you suggest – move him quick to AA or AAA and see what happens.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jun 10, 2016 15:16:31 GMT -5
Exactly, Trill. It should, by now, be assumed that we've said bye-bye to reasonability when it comes to sports and the money involved. If you haven't come to grips with that (since it's NOT going to change) maybe it's not the right entertainment for you. The ironic part is if the draft was abolished a guy like Groome would make even more money. The draft isn't player friendly. Of course everyone here understands draft picks represent *some* risk. So do the so called "proven" players (Carl Crawford says hi).
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 10, 2016 15:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on Jun 10, 2016 15:17:34 GMT -5
If a 17-year-old does not have maturity issues before the draft, he will certainly exhibit them after receiving a multi-million dollar bonus. The good news, one of his parents will have to sign the contract for him (possibly after receiving probate court approval) and he will not have unfettered access to the funds until there is a week (or less) remaining in the season. If his parents are cautious, they will set up a trust (perhaps with the probate court being involved) that limits his ability to spend the money unwisely.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 10, 2016 15:29:37 GMT -5
We'll probably pop a college senior here.
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Post by jchang on Jun 10, 2016 15:31:56 GMT -5
I don't see how the risk of giving 4m to a 17yr old is worse than giving 95m to a 28yr old with 3 WS, factoring probability and amount.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 10, 2016 15:32:33 GMT -5
Ryan Scott, OF, Arkansas - Little Rock .. There is a Senior Sign, leads Division 1 in Average.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 10, 2016 15:32:43 GMT -5
We'll probably pop a college senior here. Yay broken clock
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 10, 2016 15:32:58 GMT -5
Ryan Scott, OF, UALR, senior sign!
EDIT: not ranked by BA/MLB/PG
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 10, 2016 15:34:01 GMT -5
I'd love to see 1 more top 200 guy between picks 8-10, but if we go senior sign the rest of the way, I'm still happy and I think it's been a very productive 2 days for Boston. Can't wait to see what they can come up with tomorrow to complete the class.
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Post by Jander on Jun 10, 2016 15:39:01 GMT -5
The baseline for maturity is shifted so dramatically in the context of these conversations. High Schoolers who enter pro ball with no character concerns and intense focus on the game are really the outliers in the big picture of society. If you think about all the 17 year olds you know, how many would you really trust with $4m? The ones with some maturity issues are really more typical. Teenage boys are basically lunatics (I say lovingly as someone who was one and now has a reasonably good head on his shoulders). Point is that while it's grand to land a precocious high schooler who will never stay out late or snooze his alarm, it's not damning if Groome is just a typical teenager.
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Post by rafael on Jun 10, 2016 15:41:04 GMT -5
Ryan Scott's statistics are very solid. He's from a small school in a weak conference, but 12 bombs in 54 games while striking out less than 13% of the time is pretty good. Good senior pick.
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