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Post by wcp3 on Jun 26, 2016 16:21:26 GMT -5
What a bad baseball team this is.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 26, 2016 16:22:17 GMT -5
Brentz's swing has looked very compact today. Good day for him. I called it years ago. Brentz deserves a legit chance. Over the course of his Minor League career at least 40% of his hits are extra-base hits which = gap and HR power. You can talk all the sabor-metrics you want but that stat is telling. He deserves a legit opportunity. That's because he doesn't get enough hits period and doesn't walk enough. It's not really advanced statistics that make it easy to see that he's a long shot.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 26, 2016 16:26:56 GMT -5
At times buddy? how about the whole year? Maybe you have that memory loss going and i get that. You've been defending him ALL year. Don't say "he's been bad at times this year" because you were defending him even then. Again I understand bad luck and i'd be willing to dismiss it, but he doesn't get leeway for a few decent starts. And honestly this board does look dumb, because their are ppl on here like you. Absolutely delusional on another planet ppl, like you. Lucky homer by Prince there huh? soft hit? Keep living on fantasy island lol **there
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 26, 2016 16:33:56 GMT -5
lol grammar police. Thats SO this board. I'll try to be better buddy, all i can do.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 26, 2016 16:36:05 GMT -5
Nothing on you personally. The irony was just a low hanging fruit.
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 26, 2016 16:39:43 GMT -5
I get it, was taking multi tasking to the limit and paid the price. A bit unlucky there, like Clay Buchholz.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 26, 2016 16:45:33 GMT -5
Does this team need a nomar trade ? Is it time to part ways with a player that still has plenty of trade value but will cause a firestorm when traded for much needed pitching ? I think you cash those chips in right now if that trade can be made ... But only for a Greinke or a Certain pitcher in Miami ...what would a Bruce do for this lineup ? I don't think the situation is dire as some but a significant move must be made .
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 26, 2016 16:51:46 GMT -5
Does this team need a nomar trade ? Is it time to part ways with a player that still has plenty of trade value but will cause a firestorm when traded for much needed pitching ? I think you cash those chips in right now if that trade can be made ... But only for a Greinke or a Certain pitcher in Miami ...what would a Bruce do for this lineup ? I don't think the situation is dire as some but a significant move must be made . Nomar turned down a 4 year 60 million dollar a year contract, demanded to be traded, and told management "he didn't know how much he'd be able to play in the second half." I don't think there is a comparable here. For some reason Nomar is still revered here but he was absolutely a cancer. I don't know if the team has one right now (maybe its Clay) - in which case they can just salary dump him to some NL team that needs an innings eater.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 26, 2016 16:57:45 GMT -5
I called it years ago. Brentz deserves a legit chance. Over the course of his Minor League career at least 40% of his hits are extra-base hits which = gap and HR power. You can talk all the sabor-metrics you want but that stat is telling. He deserves a legit opportunity. That's because he doesn't get enough hits period and doesn't walk enough. It's not really advanced statistics that make it easy to see that he's a long shot. Minor League Numbers comparable to Shaw?
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Post by trotfan on Jun 26, 2016 16:59:55 GMT -5
Maybe we look at the Nomar situation different ? I seem to remember Nomar not being a cancer but a productive moody player who in stark contrast to Derek at the time and game was troubling to say the least by ownership ....But what I do remember is that the move as earth shattering at the time and shook a team that as talented into a place that ultimate was a World Series winning decision....There is no moody player I see but I see decline in a few past stars who could fetch a season changing talent .
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 26, 2016 17:01:31 GMT -5
Does this team need a nomar trade ? Is it time to part ways with a player that still has plenty of trade value but will cause a firestorm when traded for much needed pitching ? I think you cash those chips in right now if that trade can be made ... But only for a Greinke or a Certain pitcher in Miami ...what would a Bruce do for this lineup ? I don't think the situation is dire as some but a significant move must be made . Price
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Post by trotfan on Jun 26, 2016 17:05:34 GMT -5
I'm not saying Price but that is a very interesting view ...I would never trade this teams young core it's the old that needs to be cashed in on while you have a window and it would be a player who every team in both leagues covet .
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Post by larrycook on Jun 26, 2016 17:05:46 GMT -5
I still believe in this team, at least offensively.
If the starters did not suck so bad, the bullpen would not be so gassed, and I think much better.
The success or failure of this team rests with the starting pitching and/or dombrowski's ability to to a a quality starter or two.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 26, 2016 17:15:32 GMT -5
9 17 since May 26, thanks Dave, John, John, Tom, Larry and Ben
Vintage Bucholz 3 8 6.00 ERA
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 26, 2016 17:18:51 GMT -5
9 17 since May 26, thanks Dave, John, John, Tom, Larry and Ben Vintage Bucholz 3 8 6.00 ERA Why are you here?
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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2016 17:25:38 GMT -5
This game thread has been so chippy it's insane.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 26, 2016 17:29:26 GMT -5
9 17 since May 26, thanks Dave, John, John, Tom, Larry and Ben Vintage Bucholz 3 8 6.00 ERA Did you thank them for their record before May 26th or the 3 Championships since they took over? Of course not, you'd have to actually balance everything. Of course nobody heard boo from you when they were winning. And if the Sox do go on some sort of winning streak, you'll be gone, unless you complain about the quality of their victories or something lame like that. But seriously, all you do is complain. You point out a bunch of bad moves and then conveniently forget that the guy who made those moves was in essence replaced. Now you're complaining because Dombrowski didn't tear down the minor league system (yet) so that the team had absolutely no holes. When spring training started the team looked solid. The questionable area was the #2 spot in the rotation. Price got off to a lousy start when his mechanics were out of whack, but even with his most recent start, has pretty much resembled the pitcher he's always been and he didn't cost them a draft pick, which they used to get Jason Groome. They wound up getting a #2 in Steven Wright, who's actually pitched like an ace this season, even with his mediocre start yesterday. You saw what Shelby Miller cost. You saw what Kimbrel cost and you saw what Giles cost the Astros. So what are you complaining about? That Dombrowski didn't nuke the system for that #2 starter? Don't worry. You might get your wish soon enough.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 26, 2016 17:30:30 GMT -5
This game thread has been so chippy it's insane. It's hard watching a team every last one of us thought would make a run at it this year ....completely flounder and fall apart the last three weeks ...The fans the team both need a shot In the arm with an infusion of new blood.I am in the camp you fire Farrell soon and promote TL but that's not enough .
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Post by borisman on Jun 26, 2016 17:32:57 GMT -5
We need some pitching as the schedule is light for the next month, save for SF and Texas (but we got them at home, even though the last home stand was a bust), as we need to gain some ground in the east. Waiting till the deadline could prove fatal. So what'll it be, DD? Don't trade the studs, as even if we do upgrade at pitching, there's no confidence the rest of the staff will hold up or improve, which is what is needed. I wouldn't want to be him right now.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 26, 2016 17:42:04 GMT -5
We need some pitching as the schedule is light for the next month, save for SF and Texas (but we got them at home, even though the last home stand was a bust), as we need to gain some ground in the east. Waiting till the deadline could prove fatal. So what'll it be, DD? Don't trade the studs, as even if we do upgrade at pitching, there's no confidence the rest of the staff will hold up or improve, which is what is needed. I wouldn't want to be him right now. Agreed ..the fact is Clay needs to be cashed in on a trade thats either hole A.Starter hole b.LF hole C.Reliever .....The team needs to send Vaz down and hope like heck that The young man who was on pace to be a heck of a hitting catcher now turned dinged up outfielder can platoon behind the plate .I would consider getting the kid from the Brewers at this point .No clay alone won't net much it would have to be quantity for quality
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 26, 2016 17:43:56 GMT -5
This game thread has been so chippy it's insane. It's hard watching a team every last one of us thought would make a run … It's not hard. It's called being a grown up.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 26, 2016 17:46:53 GMT -5
It's hard watching a team every last one of us thought would make a run … It's not hard. It's called being a grown up. Yes but I'm a Redsox fan ....is this a Cardinals board ? Let's go on a win streak all this doom is for the birds thank you .
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 26, 2016 17:56:55 GMT -5
I think people are grossly underestimating what adding another starter would do this farm system. Eh... by far not as much as they are overestimating the effect it would have on the Sox' W-L record. Which team doesn't? Even the Cubs have lost 1/3 of their games, I suppose they had better DFA half their roster before it's too late? Hey... Jason Heyward only has a .229 batting average, let's trade for him, Cubs fans will surely breathe a sigh of relief!
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 26, 2016 17:56:56 GMT -5
9 17 since May 26, thanks Dave, John, John, Tom, Larry and Ben Vintage Bucholz 3 8 6.00 ERA Did you thank them for their record before May 26th or the 3 Championships since they took over? Of course not, you'd have to actually balance everything. Of course nobody heard boo from you when they were winning. And if the Sox do go on some sort of winning streak, you'll be gone, unless you complain about the quality of their victories or something lame like that. But seriously, all you do is complain. You point out a bunch of bad moves and then conveniently forget that the guy who made those moves was in essence replaced. Now you're complaining because Dombrowski didn't tear down the minor league system (yet) so that the team had absolutely no holes. When spring training started the team looked solid. The questionable area was the #2 spot in the rotation. Price got off to a lousy start when his mechanics were out of whack, but even with his most recent start, has pretty much resembled the pitcher he's always been and he didn't cost them a draft pick, which they used to get Jason Groome. They wound up getting a #2 in Steven Wright, who's actually pitched like an ace this season, even with his mediocre start yesterday. You saw what Shelby Miller cost. You saw what Kimbrel cost and you saw what Giles cost the Astros. So what are you complaining about? That Dombrowski didn't nuke the system for that #2 starter? Don't worry. You might get your wish soon enough. Come up for air my friend. Dombrowski has done nothing but spend spend spend like his predecessor. Where has Price CYoung and Kimbrell gotten you? Your right I'll give DD a chance even though he has spent like a buffoon. 31 million for Price could have landed you both a #1 and #2 Starting pitcher much like the SFGiants did. Far as Wright, great Story. At the end of Day he is nothing but a #5 SP in any rotation due to the pitch he throws. Don't use the AL East as an excuse not to sign starting pitchers. Yes DD should have tore down the Minor Leagues at the Front Office Player Development level. Baird destroyed KC in his tenure there with 3 100 plus losses in 6 years. Crockett a pitcher no less cannot develop any Pitching at any level. Go back and look at the Drafts under the latter two and make your own judgement. Yes I will b!tch. 200 million dollar payroll and u finish dead last in 14 15. Your probably going to finish close to that again this season because of the past Front Office group and no Starting Pitching. Now DD has cash strapped himself with Price, by retaining Bucholz , already dealt a chip for Reliever (see Reddick) and Retaining Farrell. Unacceptable! There are some decent pitching numbers in AAA and those Pitchers do not get a chance, Why? Light, Shephard, Martin, Cuevas, Wilkerson, Owens. I have to watch "walk en home" Barnes, the Hit man Tommy Layne, Recycled Ross, give Kelly another chance and 2 very good Japanese arms getting overworked. Wait, we got a SF pitcher the Giants didn't want... And you wonder why Im negative.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 26, 2016 18:25:29 GMT -5
Maybe we look at the Nomar situation different ? I seem to remember Nomar not being a cancer but a productive moody player who in stark contrast to Derek at the time and game was troubling to say the least by ownership ....But what I do remember is that the move as earth shattering at the time and shook a team that as talented into a place that ultimate was a World Series winning decision....There is no moody player I see but I see decline in a few past stars who could fetch a season changing talent . Players from the 2004 team, namely Schilling have come out and publicly said he was a clubhouse cancer.
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