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7/21-7/24 Red Sox vs. Twins Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2016 13:54:17 GMT -5
OK, Martinez misplayed ball was a joke but the vast bulk of the pitchers on this team continue to fail. In the bullpen as of late, it's just been Hembree and Layne, again and again. And Price is the only starter who has continued to disappoint. 4.78 Runs allowed to date - tied for third worst in the AL. You can cite smaller recent samples of improved efficiency, but the season is a cumulative exercise. Like everyone here, I hope this series is just a blip and the team is improving but it still stands that the pitching staff - and the management of them in some cases - has pissed away, conservatively, 9 winnable games this year out of 95 (and likely closer to 13). That is nearly 10%. Not sure what what is normal for playoff teams traditionally but bottom line is the pitching continues to struggle. Some can point to strength of schedule - or it's overall weakness going forward - but that same projectional outlook would have the Sox taking 3 of 4 from a team as horrible as the Twins. And it's not like we haven't seen this before this year - they lost 2 of 3 to Tampa in April (which included pissing away a 6 run lead), 3 of 4 games to the White Sox and 2-3 to the Rays in June, not to mention the 10-9 complete meltdown loss to the Jays in May, the 13-9 and 12-7 to the Orioles to begin June, and a few others. Sure it's baseball and you have a few games like this, but it's felt like too many this year, especially when they are fielding such an incredible offense. Also, In a few days the offense will not have Fenway to help them overcome this. This team is often incredibly fun to watch, but they are at the point where if they can't fix the pitching, it may become one of those awful missed opportunities, which is so frustrating.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2016 14:00:56 GMT -5
God, I love en fuego Hanley. En Fuego Hanley is the Best Hanley.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2016 14:02:11 GMT -5
I have been pretty supportive of the trades so far, because I felt they improved the big league club, recogninzing that it is a sellers market and overpays were more likely than not. However, I just don't think trading any more prospects is good. I think we need to sink or swim with what we got...and I still think it is good enough to make the playoffs and give a serious run for a championship...with a touch of random baseball luck.
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2016 14:03:39 GMT -5
Some can point to strength of schedule - or it's overall weakness going forward - but that same projectional outlook would have the Sox taking 3 of 4 from a team as horrible as the Twins. And it's not like we haven't seen this before this year - they lost 2 of 3 to Tampa in April (which included pissing away a 6 run lead), 3 of 4 games to the White Sox and 2-3 to the Rays in June, not to mention the 10-9 complete meltdown loss to the Jays in May, the 13-9 and 12-7 to the Orioles to begin June, and a few others. Sure it's baseball and you have a few games like this, but it's felt like too many this year, especially when they are fielding such an incredible offense. Also, In a few days the offense will not have Fenway to help them overcome this. See, this is what makes me think that you just don't understand how probability works. Even if you "should" win 3 out of 4 versus a team, the fact that you actually won 2 of 4 or 1 of 4 doesn't disprove that you were the better team in the first instance.
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Post by atzar on Jul 24, 2016 14:03:57 GMT -5
Terrific slide to make up for a bonehead move.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:08:45 GMT -5
They were just on a 12-3 run before losing the last 2 games. It's really ridiculous to not expect these things to happen throughout the season. It's not the end of the world.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2016 14:09:43 GMT -5
Didn't the Twins just sweep Texas? They're playin their best ball of the year, kind of like how we just faced the Giants at their worst. Things play out funnily sometimes. No need to be melodramatic about it. Its a long season. We're going to have surprisingly good and bad series.
Edit: Jim beat me to the punch.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:11:42 GMT -5
Thank you Sano.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2016 14:13:26 GMT -5
Some can point to strength of schedule - or it's overall weakness going forward - but that same projectional outlook would have the Sox taking 3 of 4 from a team as horrible as the Twins. And it's not like we haven't seen this before this year - they lost 2 of 3 to Tampa in April (which included pissing away a 6 run lead), 3 of 4 games to the White Sox and 2-3 to the Rays in June, not to mention the 10-9 complete meltdown loss to the Jays in May, the 13-9 and 12-7 to the Orioles to begin June, and a few others. Sure it's baseball and you have a few games like this, but it's felt like too many this year, especially when they are fielding such an incredible offense. Also, In a few days the offense will not have Fenway to help them overcome this. See, this is what makes me think that you just don't understand how probability works. Even if you "should" win 3 out of 4 versus a team, the fact that you actually won 2 of 4 or 1 of 4 doesn't disprove that you were the better team in the first instance. I completely understand probability. I just hate watching a team that is so much more talented lose to substandard teams and blow 4 run leads. Nothing is guaranteed in baseball of all sports. But to see the same flaw repeatedly bite this team in the butt this year, especially at points when it appears they have solved that issue and can actually put some distance on the immediate competition is frustrating. Of course that said, I don't want to see Dombrowski trade more valuable assets for relievers, either. So yes, I want the cake, to eat it too, with ice cream, and I want copperheads to stay out of my garden, as well.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:14:17 GMT -5
See, this is what makes me think that you just don't understand how probability works. Even if you "should" win 3 out of 4 versus a team, the fact that you actually won 2 of 4 or 1 of 4 doesn't disprove that you were the better team in the first instance. I completely understand probability. I just hate watching a team that is so much more talented lose to substandard teams and blow 4 run leads. Nothing is guaranteed in baseball of all sports. But to see the same flaw repeatedly bite this team in the butt this year, especially at points when it appears they have solved that issue and can actually put some distance on the immediate competition is frustrating. Of course that said, I don't want to see Dombrowski trade more valuable assets for relievers, either. So yes, I want the cake, to eat it too, with ice cream, and I want copperheads to stay out of my garden, as well. Right, we all want the Red Sox to win 80% of the games they play, but it doesn't happen in baseball.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2016 14:14:48 GMT -5
Shaw gets a cookie and eats it all.
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Post by atzar on Jul 24, 2016 14:15:03 GMT -5
Hey! We can have big innings at the expense of the other team's ineptitude too.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:15:40 GMT -5
Ross catching those home runs in the RF bullpen with his hat is funny as hell until he hurts himself.
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2016 14:15:49 GMT -5
That's right in Shaw's power sweet spot.
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2016 14:16:43 GMT -5
Ross catching those home runs in the RF bullpen with his hat is funny as hell until he hurts himself. He ran right into the side wall going after that one. Tried to play it off all cool and stuff, but he clearly just didn't expect that wall to be there and ran smack dab into it.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2016 14:16:58 GMT -5
I completely understand probability. I just hate watching a team that is so much more talented lose to substandard teams and blow 4 run leads. Nothing is guaranteed in baseball of all sports. But to see the same flaw repeatedly bite this team in the butt this year, especially at points when it appears they have solved that issue and can actually put some distance on the immediate competition is frustrating. Of course that said, I don't want to see Dombrowski trade more valuable assets for relievers, either. So yes, I want the cake, to eat it too, with ice cream, and I want copperheads to stay out of my garden, as well. Right, we all want the Red Sox to win 80% of the games they play, but it doesn't happen in baseball. I'd take 61% and be very happy. Until the playoffs.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2016 14:18:23 GMT -5
Didn't the Twins just sweep Texas? They're playin their best ball of the year, kind of like how we just faced the Giants at their worst. Things play out funnily sometimes. No need to be melodramatic about it. Its a long season. We're going to have surprisingly good and bad series. Edit: Jim beat me to the punch. Right, although it is frustrating losing to teams you thought you would be beating easily. For all we know, the Twins may be much improved the rest of the way.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:21:04 GMT -5
Right, we all want the Red Sox to win 80% of the games they play, but it doesn't happen in baseball. I'd take 61% and be very happy. Until the playoffs. They're 12-5 in July, with a crapload of injuries. I'm happy now.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 24, 2016 14:21:54 GMT -5
So what are they going to call this site? Sox Prospects looks like it will be an oxymoron by July 31. alcoholicsanonymous.com I already hate every single possible trade that might be made. SoxExprospects.com? or, ExSoxProspects.com? or, how about FireDaveDombrowski.com?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:25:01 GMT -5
Porcello's pitch count looking good. Try to avoid the bullpen drama today and get through 8.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2016 14:27:42 GMT -5
This offense is just amazing.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 24, 2016 14:28:20 GMT -5
Didn't the Twins just sweep Texas? They're playin their best ball of the year, kind of like how we just faced the Giants at their worst. Things play out funnily sometimes. No need to be melodramatic about it. Its a long season. We're going to have surprisingly good and bad series. Edit: Jim beat me to the punch. I get that and I understand that people overreacting to losses or just being all around negative nancys get a bit obnoxious. I also think that's in the nature of this team because they are so inconsistent and I get that baseball is just like that man. The possibility of losing a series to the Twins at home regardless of how they're playing in the recent weeks is a little bit annoying so I kind of understand people venting.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2016 14:33:01 GMT -5
Didn't the Twins just sweep Texas? They're playin their best ball of the year, kind of like how we just faced the Giants at their worst. Things play out funnily sometimes. No need to be melodramatic about it. Its a long season. We're going to have surprisingly good and bad series. Edit: Jim beat me to the punch. I get that and I understand that people overreacting to losses or just being all around negative nancys get a bit obnoxious. I also think that's in the nature of this team because they are so inconsistent and I get that baseball is just like that man. The possibility of losing a series to the Twins at home regardless of how they're playing in the recent weeks is a little bit annoying so I kind of understand people venting. I agree. If there's a thread to be reactionary in, it's the game threads. Just a friendly reminder above all else.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:35:27 GMT -5
I'm really getting sick of these replays on super close plays. Just use replay to overturn the gross mistakes. They should require managers to instantly demand a review or else it can't be reviewed.
I do like the unwritten rule if the ball beats the player to the base, he's out. I'm not that interested in seeing close up reviews slowed down to 5 frames a second to see if the runner performed some acrobatic slide to get around it and having them take 5 minutes to possibly determine that the play should be overturned. It is taking away the excitement of the game. I really hope some World Series is not won after a 5 minute review of an impossibly close call.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 24, 2016 14:46:07 GMT -5
Ouch Brock. That's a scary and unfortunate play.
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