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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2016 15:33:25 GMT -5
I guess Ziegler caught the same disease Kimbrel caught, Failure to Thrive when not pitching in a save situation syndrome. This team just finds ways to lose! Come on. Ziegler has been lights out. Versus one of the best hitters in the game he got burnt.. I'm not criticizing him. Just saying - yet another situation where the Sox can't hold a tie at Fenway Park in the 9th inning, and the guy acting as closer gave it up. If this were Kimbrel, everybody would be all over him. Cabrera is awesome but that doesn't mean that giving up a HR in that situation is ok. Doesn't mean that I don't like Ziegler or think that he's lousy or something. Just wish he gave up his 1st run in a situation that isn't a killer.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 27, 2016 15:33:47 GMT -5
Call Leyland before it's to late
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 27, 2016 15:36:01 GMT -5
Come on. Ziegler has been lights out. Versus one of the best hitters in the game he got burnt.. I'm not criticizing him. Just saying - yet another situation where the Sox can't hold a tie at Fenway Park in the 9th inning, and the guy acting as closer gave it up. If this were Kimbrel, everybody would be all over him. Cabrera is awesome but that doesn't mean that giving up a HR in that situation is ok. Doesn't mean that I don't like Ziegler or think that he's lousy or something. Just wish he gave up his 1st run in a situation that isn't a killer. Your rite. First thing I said was "better not throw a pitch down the middle" there it goes. In defense of the staff, defense has been very ? As of late.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jul 27, 2016 15:39:05 GMT -5
The Red Sox are 11-12 in one run games and came in two wins below their Pythagorean expectation.
On the other hand they entered the game with an .833 OPS compared to a .743 OPS for their opponents. That's a pretty large spread.
Frankly I think this team is pretty close to being really good; it could happen the last two months of the year or it could happen next year. Unfortunately young players and young teams develop on their own schedule, but it wouldn't surprise me if this team were scary good very soon.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 27, 2016 15:44:01 GMT -5
It may be a good time for a road trip. Re-set. Re-boot.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2016 15:46:18 GMT -5
The Red Sox are 11-12 in one run games and came in two wins below their Pythagorean expectation. On the other hand they entered the game with an .833 OPS compared to a .743 OPS for their opponents. That's a pretty large spread. Frankly I think this team is pretty close to being really good; it could happen the last two months of the year or it could happen next year. Unfortunately young players and young teams develop on their own schedule, but it wouldn't surprise me if this team were scary good very soon. When they replace Ortiz's offensive production with...
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 27, 2016 15:47:22 GMT -5
The Red Sox are 11-12 in one run games and came in two wins below their Pythagorean expectation. On the other hand they entered the game with an .833 OPS compared to a .743 OPS for their opponents. That's a pretty large spread. Frankly I think this team is pretty close to being really good; it could happen the last two months of the year or it could happen next year. Unfortunately young players and young teams develop on their own schedule, but it wouldn't surprise me if this team were scary good very soon. I agree the team is close to being really good, but don't think the young guys have been the problem.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jul 27, 2016 15:48:23 GMT -5
The Red Sox are 11-12 in one run games and came in two wins below their Pythagorean expectation. On the other hand they entered the game with an .833 OPS compared to a .743 OPS for their opponents. That's a pretty large spread. Frankly I think this team is pretty close to being really good; it could happen the last two months of the year or it could happen next year. Unfortunately young players and young teams develop on their own schedule, but it wouldn't surprise me if this team were scary good very soon. When they replace Ortiz's offensive production with... Better run prevention. Edit: plus it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't getting some level production from some combination of Moncada, Benintendi, Travis and Swihart some time next year.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 27, 2016 15:48:46 GMT -5
Call Leyland before it's to late
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 27, 2016 15:54:16 GMT -5
While getting swept hurts, this is a good time to remember that this is still a team on the rise. They finished in last place in the 2 past seasons, while bottoming out in 2014 being flat out awful and then showing some notable improvement the past year as the season went on. This year they're a postseason contender with an incredibly talented young roster and a very top heavy farm system. They're on the verge of greatness and while that can be frustrating, well at least we aren't Diamondback fans or something.
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Post by telluricrook on Jul 27, 2016 16:00:22 GMT -5
Why Leyland? The guy is so old. Doesnt he drink coffee all day and smoke ciggarettes. The sox do not need anybody to win them games. Just time for John to leave.
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Post by nomar on Jul 27, 2016 16:40:32 GMT -5
Why Leyland? Doesnt he drink coffee all day and smoke ciggarettes. Are you his doctor? Lol
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 27, 2016 17:22:34 GMT -5
I was hoping for a 6-3 homestand, but got 4-5. This has been both exciting and frustrating year. Excitement because of the young guys, the signings and trades (whether you like them or not), career years from guys you didn't expect.....so many things. Frustrating because it feels like the guys should have a better record (I would throw in the Farrell stuff, but I am not that well versed in manager bashing).
What is most frustrating for me is that they have lost 8 games, while scoring 7 or more runs. Maybe that is in the normal for teams, but even 3 of those games with different results has us at 58-41. The good news is the 2004 team was 56-45 after 101 games and won the world series that ended so much of the angst of being a Sox fan. There is still a lot of time and the division isn't filled with teams that are that great. Gonna keep the faith.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 27, 2016 17:54:48 GMT -5
Why Leyland? The guy is so old. Doesnt he drink coffee all day and smoke ciggarettes. The sox do not need anybody to win them games. Just time for John to leave. See Jack McKeon in 03 age 72, how do like those beans?
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 27, 2016 18:04:24 GMT -5
And who can argue with THAT sample size?
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 27, 2016 23:56:48 GMT -5
Why Leyland? The guy is so old. Doesnt he drink coffee all day and smoke ciggarettes.So do I. Perhaps he likes videogames as well and then we could talk all day about stuff like that, it would be awesome.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 28, 2016 0:06:30 GMT -5
Rodriguez did not have good stuff today, but he limited the damage, especially early on since it could have gotten really ugly.
I think this kid has a bright future and I just hope dombrowski puts him in the keep pile for the next five days.
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Post by zimmerdown on Jul 28, 2016 0:16:56 GMT -5
Glad you haven't all jumped off the bridge by now. Long season. Take the good with the bad. Really great showing by you Temple. As usual you only come around when they are ****ing the bed. They're not playing all that badly right now. They are losing games that they should be winning. It's frustrating as hell. But they are not that far off. And, in this series at least, it is the players that cost the games, not the manager or the GM. Act like you've seen a full baseball season before.
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Post by zimmerdown on Jul 28, 2016 0:22:32 GMT -5
Leyland, lol. Who cares what he does to his body? That has literally nothing to do with managing a ball club. But he will be the answer to all of this team's problems? I'd be way happier if Lovullo took over. I'm not a huge Farrell supporter nor basher, but WTF is Leyland going to that Lovullo could not?
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Post by telluricrook on Jul 28, 2016 0:32:56 GMT -5
Why Leyland? The guy is so old. Doesnt he drink coffee all day and smoke ciggarettes. The sox do not need anybody to win them games. Just time for John to leave. See Jack McKeon in 03 age 72, how do like those beans? But he had Josh Beckett! He had the second best post season performance by a pitcher in the past 15 years.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2016 0:33:10 GMT -5
Not that I endorse smoking or want Jim Leyland to be the next manager, but I one of the greatest managers of all-time was a heavy smoker - and that's Earl Weaver. If the Sox had 1970s Earl Weaver managing them they'd be in first place by several games.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 28, 2016 4:55:53 GMT -5
I’m not sure how you can blame Dombrowski for the failures of Price and Kimbrel Uhm... what exactly would you say Dombrowski's job is, then?
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 28, 2016 9:13:25 GMT -5
What a mess of a series.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 28, 2016 9:27:11 GMT -5
Frustrating series. Been occupied so I haven't watched the last two games but it looks like it was close no cigar (or any other combustible). Off to Seattle for a visit with family/friends and to get a closer look at this year's issue.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 28, 2016 9:47:02 GMT -5
When they replace Ortiz's offensive production with... Better run prevention.Edit: plus it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't getting some level production from some combination of Moncada, Benintendi, Travis and Swihart some time next year. So: 1) Something this team hasn't done in any significant sense since 2013 will suddenly appear? Because...? I don't see any pitching help coming from AAA/AA that will significantly impact this team next year. If you believe David Price becomes more like the David Price of old, fine, I'll go with that. But Wright had a magic first half, and the bloom is coming off that rose so he could very easily slip to #5 status next year (or even in the second half of this year). Porcello looks solid so let's say that continues to happen. You're then banking on Pomerantz to continue with a transformative year, and for Rodriguez to be as good if not better than his 2015 season, but with a full season of innings? I can't hold with that right now based on past performances. I am of course excluding Buchholz, who I think will be gone by then, if not August 1. 2) So two guys who've never played in MLB are going to split in two positions (one as yet to be undetermined) to make up for lost production from a potential MVP candidate, and two other guys, one who is barely a replacement level LF and who the team has completely mishandled - and where does he play since they don't like him for catcher if Benintendi comes up? - will exceed their current production to the point where it will all come together? I respect your optimism but I find both these scenarios, while not impossible, highly improbable. This is an amazing year for this offense, which may never occur again. Average AL performance by this pitching staff would have the Sox up by 5 games or more. Instead they've been mired as one of the 3 or 5 worst in runs allowed virtually all year. In addition, 2016 offers a tremendous opportunity as there is no single dominant AL team. It is entirely frustrating that this team, with a near historic offense, has been unable to seize that opportunity as of yet. Meanwhile, as it always happens, other teams will get better next year, too. This is a moment in time. Unless they get it together soon they will blow it.
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