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Post by atzar on Aug 21, 2016 13:42:33 GMT -5
Owens hasn't pitched as bad as the final line will look like. He really hasn't.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 21, 2016 13:43:22 GMT -5
Ok, this came undone fast. But... Am I out of line in saying I think Owens looks better? A few walks with pitches that look close. Yes, a bomb to Upton on a very bad pitch. But his curve looks better, his fastball has been up to 92, but a reasonable 90 much of the game. I had been really down on him, but I wonder still if he could end up like Pomeranz. I suppose I am thinking he might be worth looking at on slightly longer timelines? I had the same thought. The Martinez double was on a pitch that 9 times out of 10 is not getting hit.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2016 13:45:07 GMT -5
What's Owens' bWAR per 32 starts now? Based on that last pitch, it's 70.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 21, 2016 13:51:52 GMT -5
Who's our long man today? Considering that Farrell was an 'inverted W' pitcher who likely needed Tommy John for half his career at a time when Tommy John was just a pitcher, Tazawa to get him loosened up for the Rays series.
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Post by atzar on Aug 21, 2016 13:56:48 GMT -5
Can't throw a pitch in that spot and expect to get it back. Lucky this game isn't 7-0.
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Post by atzar on Aug 21, 2016 13:59:31 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever heard of a Three True Outcomes pitcher before.
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 21, 2016 14:00:23 GMT -5
I'm very excited to never have to watch Henry Owens in a Red Sox uniform ever again.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 21, 2016 14:00:58 GMT -5
Henry Owens is Allen Webster without all that flashy velocity stuff.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 21, 2016 14:02:25 GMT -5
Can't throw a pitch in that spot and expect to get it back. Lucky this game isn't 7-0. Well, now it's 8-0, and all 8 runs have scored with 2 out, from the middle of the order that Henry just can't handle. I think the earlier post was about right -- Henry is almost a MLB pitcher, but until he refines his command he isn't going to be any more than that. And if he can't do it, well ..... the minors, the banks, and the real estate offices are filled with guys who almost made it.
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Post by sierram363 on Aug 21, 2016 14:02:36 GMT -5
If you take away the walks and the 8 runs ...... actually nevermind
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2016 14:03:29 GMT -5
The comeback begins now.
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 21, 2016 14:04:15 GMT -5
Owens hasn't pitched as bad as the final line will look like. He really hasn't. I missed the last two innings, but up to the third inning, he had given up four balls in play and not one of those four was hard hit. Not to mention numerous just-out-of-play foul balls on a couple of those walks.
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Post by braziliansox on Aug 21, 2016 14:07:27 GMT -5
Farrell is just obsessed with throwing games away, its not like a 5 run deficit is game over, its the perfect time to bring your crappy relievers like Abad and maybe find a comeback. But no, just keep Owens in there until its a huge deficit, since its a sunday afternoon game after all, gotta save that pen.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 21, 2016 14:10:03 GMT -5
Time to get Bogaerts and Ortiz out of this game.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 21, 2016 14:17:05 GMT -5
It's a bit unfortunate that Henry got stuck with Justin Upton remembering how to be an All-Star again. There was some good stuff in that start. It remains to be seen if it ML level (see Drew Pomeranz).
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 21, 2016 14:20:20 GMT -5
It really would be something if Papelboner wanted to come back here.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 21, 2016 14:28:34 GMT -5
Farrell is just obsessed with throwing games away, its not like a 5 run deficit is game over, its the perfect time to bring your crappy relievers like Abad and maybe find a comeback. But no, just keep Owens in there until its a huge deficit, since its a sunday afternoon game after all, gotta save that pen. Come on man, he played the a line up on a Sunday afternoon game. This is on the Pitcher. Congrats on the gold in football.
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Post by atzar on Aug 21, 2016 14:38:02 GMT -5
Beni!
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Post by nomar on Aug 21, 2016 14:38:44 GMT -5
Benny!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 21, 2016 14:38:47 GMT -5
Benny, it was worth waiting around to see....
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Post by Guidas on Aug 21, 2016 14:41:11 GMT -5
Farrell is just obsessed with throwing games away, its not like a 5 run deficit is game over, its the perfect time to bring your crappy relievers like Abad and maybe find a comeback. But no, just keep Owens in there until its a huge deficit, since its a sunday afternoon game after all, gotta save that pen. Nostradamus-level post. Just amazing. Owens was going to go down after today and a reliever likely coming back so why not bring in Abad or whomever and try to keep it at 5. Anyway...
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 21, 2016 14:41:58 GMT -5
I said it in the college world series and will say it again. AB has some great wrist action. Congrats on the first of many.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 21, 2016 14:45:29 GMT -5
Go Cleveland. Go Houston.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 21, 2016 14:48:01 GMT -5
Farrell is just obsessed with throwing games away, its not like a 5 run deficit is game over, its the perfect time to bring your crappy relievers like Abad and maybe find a comeback. But no, just keep Owens in there until its a huge deficit, since its a sunday afternoon game after all, gotta save that pen. This Farrell obsession isn't healthy. Not sure how you call this throwing the game away, I see it as a normal loss that would happen anytime your starting pitcher is this awful. If you really try you can put this on the manager though, but if you think having anyone else in charge would have made that big of a difference today, perhaps you need to reevaluate your understanding of the sport.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 21, 2016 15:00:56 GMT -5
Go Cleveland. Go Houston. And Go Brewers just to be safe.
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