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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 23, 2016 13:47:16 GMT -5
OK. It's time to stop the shaky rotation meme from propagating. Over the last 30 days the Sox starters have the highest wins above replacement of any AL team. The have more wins, the second best ERA, and the second best FIP. Pick whichever one you want, or ignore them and use the eyeball test. Even with the emergency call-ups and the marginal performances that often produces, they've been very good. On the downside, the Blue Jays are right behind them, with the Rays and Yankees also in the top six. They'll be seeing a bit of those teams as the regular season comes to a close. At this point, the starting pitching is right where it should be.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 23, 2016 13:52:48 GMT -5
And if Farrell did use Ross in the 8th and he had a bad outing, Farrell would be getting ripped for that too. No he wouldn't, because this is what everyone wants to see happen. TL at least recognized Ross Jr was the best reliever at the end of last year and made him the closer, Farrell gets his hands on him and he thinks he's a lefty specialist again that shouldn't be used in high leverage. He was basically the only reliever pitching well at the end of last year....so that's a bit of red herring. It was a terrible bullpen.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 23, 2016 14:05:24 GMT -5
No he wouldn't, because this is what everyone wants to see happen. TL at least recognized Ross Jr was the best reliever at the end of last year and made him the closer, Farrell gets his hands on him and he thinks he's a lefty specialist again that shouldn't be used in high leverage. He was basically the only reliever pitching well at the end of last year....so that's a bit of red herring. It was a terrible bullpen. I agree about that but considering that this bullpen is shaky too, the manager should recognize that he's one of the best pieces.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 23, 2016 14:09:09 GMT -5
Fear: Dave O'Brien will probably talk That's certainly my fear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:13:39 GMT -5
Yes, the rotation has settled down. Price seems to have some momentum right now, Porcello has been great for months, Pomeranz seems to be finding his footing, E-Rod is rounding into form. This rotation and this lineup are both good enough for a deep playoff run. It's the 7th and 8th innings that are hurting the team right now.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 23, 2016 14:37:51 GMT -5
I know you say this a lot, but Buchholz typically is "lucky" when he's good, because he's always nibbling around the edges and getting batters to swing at pitches just out of the zone for weak contact. His peripherals aren't very good, but what I'm talking about is always there when he's doing well. It has always been his approach. With this post you're officially Buchholz's deepjohn. Congratulations! Maybe if I went on for 18 pages about it. It was just an observation about what he used to do well. Take me out back and put me down if I get like deepjohn.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 23, 2016 15:17:42 GMT -5
Yes, the rotation has settled down. Price seems to have some momentum right now, Porcello has been great for months, Pomeranz seems to be finding his footing, E-Rod is rounding into form. This rotation and this lineup are both good enough for a deep playoff run. It's the 7th and 8th innings that are hurting the team right now.They really need Wright to get healthy and effective so that Pomeranz can be used as a multi-inning reliever in the playoffs. Hell, make the rotation just Price and Porcello and every other game is a bullpen start.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 23, 2016 15:32:40 GMT -5
Any talk about Buchholz and the playoffs should be shelved until we actually make the playoffs, then we can decide if he even deserves a spot on the playoff roster. From my point of view...that's an emphatic no.
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Post by bruinsfan94 on Aug 23, 2016 15:39:46 GMT -5
Any talk about Buchholz and the playoffs should be shelved until we actually make the playoffs, then we can decide if he even deserves a spot on the playoff roster. From my point of view...that's an emphatic no. I don't think he should be anywhere near a starting roll, but he could a be a great piece in the bullpen. We still have over a month to see what he does. I'm liking Clay Recently. He has a chip on his shoulder as he should. He has to earn a roll, and I think he could either be a great guy to have in case of a melt down by Erod or Wright, or as maybe the 8th inning guy we need.
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Post by jmei on Aug 23, 2016 16:07:13 GMT -5
*role
(sorry)
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Post by monitormichelle on Aug 23, 2016 16:11:07 GMT -5
I admit, I am a big fan of Andrew Benintendi. And in no way am I trying to say he's responsible for the Red Sox current hot streak. But since he was called up, Boston has gone 12-7 with a .276 team batting average and a 2.97 ERA for the starting rotation. When Jacoby Ellsbury was called up for good in 2007, the Sox went 9-4 in his first 13 games. Although Xander Bogaerts came off the bench for most of the games he played in right when he was called up, the Sox went 13-4 in the first 17 games with his name on the roster. Everyone talks about Yoan Moncada, and he's obviously amazing. But Benintendi is right up there in my opinion. I think that's part of why there was so much trade interest in him. Just really glad Dealin' Dave was able to resist.
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Post by nomar on Aug 23, 2016 16:16:38 GMT -5
Benintendi is the reason the sun comes up
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 23, 2016 16:22:04 GMT -5
I admit, I am a big fan of Andrew Benintendi. And in no way am I trying to say he's responsible for the Red Sox current hot streak. But since he was called up, Boston has gone 12-7 with a .276 team batting average and a 2.97 ERA for the starting rotation. When Jacoby Ellsbury was called up for good in 2007, the Sox went 9-4 in his first 13 games. Although Xander Bogaerts came off the bench for most of the games he played in right when he was called up, the Sox went 13-4 in the first 17 games with his name on the roster. Everyone talks about Yoan Moncada, and he's obviously amazing. But Benintendi is right up there in my opinion. I think that's part of why there was so much trade interest in him. Just really glad Dealin' Dave was able to resist. They're finally playing like they were capable of playing all year. I don't think it's magic, but it's a good time to start.
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Post by monitormichelle on Aug 23, 2016 16:26:10 GMT -5
Benintendi is the reason the sun comes up Well I wasn't going to say it but ......
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 23, 2016 17:08:51 GMT -5
I know you say this a lot, but Buchholz typically is "lucky" when he's good, because he's always nibbling around the edges and getting batters to swing at pitches just out of the zone for weak contact. His peripherals aren't very good, but what I'm talking about is always there when he's doing well. It has always been his approach. With this post you're officially Buchholz's deepjohn. Congratulations! Actually, there may be no pitcher in MLB who more obviously has a BABIP skill than Buchholz. Almost everything jimed said there is true: the only modification being that he's sometimes used a conventional approach for a handful of starts here and there.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 23, 2016 17:32:57 GMT -5
With this post you're officially Buchholz's deepjohn. Congratulations! Actually, there may be no pitcher in MLB who more obviously has a BABIP skill than Buchholz. Almost everything jimed said there is true: the only modification being that he's sometimes used a conventional approach for a handful of starts here and there. There's more than a few guys who've been more successful at suppressing BABIP than Buchholz, but in particular Marco Estrada has a .226 BABIP over his last 505.2 innings (three calendar years). He's the absolute king BABIP suppression.
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Post by braziliansox on Aug 23, 2016 17:49:14 GMT -5
With this post you're officially Buchholz's deepjohn. Congratulations! Actually, there may be no pitcher in MLB who more obviously has a BABIP skill than Buchholz. Almost everything jimed said there is true: the only modification being that he's sometimes used a conventional approach for a handful of starts here and there. So are you implying that deepjohn's posts arent based on facts? Blasphemy
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Post by bookiemetts on Aug 23, 2016 18:16:20 GMT -5
Bogey looked pretty bad there lol
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 23, 2016 18:22:28 GMT -5
Yeah Bogey just couldn't resist that whole AB
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Post by braziliansox on Aug 23, 2016 18:47:08 GMT -5
So whats better, having Mookie behind Papi to punish teams that pitch around him or having Papi behind Mookie so he sees more fastballs? I kinda think its The second option because Mookie is more likely to chase bad pitches in pitch around situations than Ortiz.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 23, 2016 18:52:39 GMT -5
Clay getting squeezed here?
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Post by southernredsoxality on Aug 23, 2016 18:56:41 GMT -5
Buchholz getting swings and misses like it's 2013, he'll probably be our setup man come playoff time.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 23, 2016 19:08:54 GMT -5
very pleased that went into the dugout
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Post by monitormichelle on Aug 23, 2016 19:17:04 GMT -5
David Ortiz with BLAZING speed on the base paths.
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Post by monitormichelle on Aug 23, 2016 19:21:01 GMT -5
Clay Buchholz trying to be the first pitcher in MLB history to win the Cy Young after going from a starter, to a reliever, back to a starter. Good for him.
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