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2016-2017 Red Sox Offseason (Non-Manager) Discussion
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 30, 2016 0:27:17 GMT -5
That's probably not the only phone call for those guys that Dombrowski has fielded. I can understand not trading either. And let's not forget that Swihart is that outfield depth,
(ducks rotten fruit...)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 30, 2016 0:58:43 GMT -5
Since Swihart has options and since he was rushed to the bigs when Vazquez went down, if one is traded, I'd prefer to let them increase their value by getting another year's experience. Because of circumstances, we'd be selling low right now except someone like Hazen who's totally familiar with the situation. On the other hand, straight up for Goldschmidt would work with me .
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 30, 2016 8:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 30, 2016 13:04:28 GMT -5
That's probably not the only phone call for those guys that Dombrowski has fielded. I can understand not trading either. A nd let's not forget that Swihart is that outfield depth,
(ducks rotten fruit...)Hey, Swihart isn't the only outfield depth. Don't forget Hanley (ducks even stinkier rotten fruit...)
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 30, 2016 16:45:48 GMT -5
Vasquez, Sam Travis, Moreland (with his permission to trade him), and a lower level piece for Goldshmidt. That is the only piece that interests me on that team. This package wouldn't get it done however.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 30, 2016 22:54:48 GMT -5
Vasquez, Sam Travis, Moreland (with his permission to trade him), and a lower level piece for Goldshmidt. That is the only piece that interests me on that team. This package wouldn't get it done however. Goldshmidt has two years at $6.4m AAV then an option year at $14.5. The only downside is that he's another right handed bat. I'd go higher but don't want to turn this into a trade proposal thread.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 31, 2016 18:55:08 GMT -5
This team desperately a decent RH bench bat to sub in for Panda. He's got a career OPS of .673 against LHP. That includes a putrid .465 in 2015. Moving Chris Young to the DH spot and sitting Moreland against LHP leaves to LHH OFers and Panda in the lineup. Unless they think Rutledge is an adequate platoon partner for Panda, they need another RHH CIF.
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Post by slam761 on Jan 1, 2017 22:10:59 GMT -5
This team desperately a decent RH bench bat to sub in for Panda. He's got a career OPS of .673 against LHP. That includes a putrid .465 in 2015. Moving Chris Young to the DH spot and sitting Moreland against LHP leaves to LHH OFers and Panda in the lineup. Unless they think Rutledge is an adequate platoon partner for Panda, they need another RHH CIF. We pretty much need Trevor Plouffe, IMO. Only other FA options I see are Chris Johnson, Gordon Beckham and Aaron Hill, and they all suck, although Hill was still decent against LHP. Mark Reynolds might work if he can still play 3B, but he's mostly been a 1B the last few years so I doubt it.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 2, 2017 9:20:34 GMT -5
Agree on Plouff but then I was optimistic on Craig and Hill too. Amazing that both of those guys dropped off so badly with us. I remember the opposite used to happen with the Yankees. They would get a cast-off or seemingly washed up guy and he would be lightening in the bottle.
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Post by gerry on Jan 2, 2017 10:51:48 GMT -5
Agree on Plouff but then I was optimistic on Craig and Hill too. Amazing that both of those guys dropped off so badly with us. I remember the opposite used to happen with the Yankees. They would get a cast-off or seemingly washed up guy and he would be lightening in the bottle. I'm thinking 2013 here.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jan 2, 2017 15:59:16 GMT -5
Craig could have easily gone the Victorino route, but went completely the other way. It's still amazing a few years ago he was considered to be on a semi good deal.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 3, 2017 23:34:50 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 4, 2017 15:38:09 GMT -5
FWIW, I feel like the fact that he got 10 votes to Moncada's 5 after their respective MLB stints was very interesting. You wonder, on September 1, what that poll would've looked like. It's becoming clear that most (probably all) outlets are going to rank Benintendi higher this offseason, but I'm perfectly ok with the fact that we had Moncada higher at the time of the trade, and things like this certainly help with knowing it's not like we were on an island.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 4, 2017 16:22:23 GMT -5
Even at 10-5 I'm guessing it's still 1A & 1B. Benintendi certainly made an impression with how advanced his approach was and Moncada's toolbox is pretty full. I'm guessing he'll bat 1st or 2nd right out of the gate. (likely 2nd to break up the right handers that are the likely top of the lineup).
lol. sorry grammar guessing/guessing likely/likely.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 4, 2017 16:31:32 GMT -5
FWIW, I feel like the fact that he got 10 votes to Moncada's 5 after their respective MLB stints was very interesting. You wonder, on September 1, what that poll would've looked like. It's becoming clear that most (probably all) outlets are going to rank Benintendi higher this offseason, but I'm perfectly ok with the fact that we had Moncada higher at the time of the trade, and things like this certainly help with knowing it's not like we were on an island. For those who have seen Moncada a lot in the minors, was he ever able to hit a curveball? Major league pitching figured him out in 5 at bats. Just throw curves and he can't hit them, even if he knows they're coming. I absolutely changed my mind on Benintendi and Moncada based on what I saw in the majors. Moncada is going to really struggle in the majors to start out with IMO. Probably for at least a year or two, like Buxton has. Benintendi looks like a LH version of Mookie - about as close to a sure thing as you can get.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 4, 2017 19:10:57 GMT -5
FWIW, I feel like the fact that he got 10 votes to Moncada's 5 after their respective MLB stints was very interesting. You wonder, on September 1, what that poll would've looked like. It's becoming clear that most (probably all) outlets are going to rank Benintendi higher this offseason, but I'm perfectly ok with the fact that we had Moncada higher at the time of the trade, and things like this certainly help with knowing it's not like we were on an island. For those who have seen Moncada a lot in the minors, was he ever able to hit a curveball? Major league pitching figured him out in 5 at bats. Just throw curves and he can't hit them, even if he knows they're coming. I absolutely changed my mind on Benintendi and Moncada based on what I saw in the majors. Moncada is going to really struggle in the majors to start out with IMO. Probably for at least a year or two, like Buxton has. Benintendi looks like a LH version of Mookie - about as close to a sure thing as you can get. FWIW, none of us saw Moncada "a lot" in the minors - he was in Greenville and Salem most of the time. But I don't think it's as simple as "he can't hit a curveball." If you look at the Brooks Baseball data, he saw 25 breaking balls, swung at 7, and missed on 6 of the 7. So yeah, he whiffed when he swung at them, but it's not like he swung and missed at half of the curves he saw. Here's that data, since it's easy to compile for his sample size: Hard: Saw 48, swung 16, missed 6. Breaking: Saw 25, swung 7, missed 6. Offspeed: Saw 14, swung 6, missed 4. So clearly, he had issues making contact with breaking/offspeed pitches. I'd argue, though, that this combined with how many pitches he took (exactly 2/3 of the pitches he saw, actually) is more indicative of him just being in way over his head and not ready rather than having a particular weakness that got exploited. He was probably sitting fastball early and in the first three games, against Oakland, he got them. Then the Pads threw him half breaking/offspeed and he struggled, and he never really even got a chance to adjust. As I've said all along - they went to him full-time way too quickly, and they backed away from him completely way too quickly. Not a huge deal, but a bungled situation.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 5, 2017 11:28:16 GMT -5
Old friend Edwin Escobar is back out there waiting to be claimed yet again. The roster is set at 39 right now. That may be used on a guy like Plouffe but it still doesn't hurt to claim a Escobar in case you don't get Plouffe.
Edit- I would claim Escobar and DFA Bryce Brentz if the Sox signed Plouffe.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jan 5, 2017 11:33:01 GMT -5
Saw him (Moncada) a handful of times coming through Greensboro (Sally) & Winston-Salem (Carolina). I'm no scout. I did see a difference once he went from Low-A pitchers to Advanced-A pitchers. He was barreling up more & "ran into" more FB/CB in Low-A. Seemed more tentative overall in Hi-A.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 6, 2017 12:58:15 GMT -5
The Sox have picked up old friend Shawn Haviland and former Yankees farmhand Jose Rosario per BA.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 6, 2017 13:25:45 GMT -5
Also signed outfielder Brian Bogusevic to a minor league deal. He has over 2500 Triple-A at-bats.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 6, 2017 16:09:19 GMT -5
Decent radio interview by Olney with DD. Nothing really new, mostly confirmations of what we've heard before. Most important part for me was what they are thinking with Pablo: www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18419048ADD: My uninformed opinion, he strikes me as being much more of a players exec than any of his predecessors. Theo and Ben both struck me as being somewhat aloof. When talking about the future of the catchers, he made the comment that Tek likes Swihart a lot.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 12, 2017 5:51:06 GMT -5
Sox have signed old friend Cesar Cabral and RHP Erik Cordier (who pitched in Japan in 2016).
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 13, 2017 5:02:59 GMT -5
Did Dave Strom retire, or did he get a job as a coach with another organization? Curious.. Always liked chatting and talking the game with Dave when went to Ft Myers to catch the GCL Sox.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 13, 2017 6:00:25 GMT -5
Here's an excellent look from Speier's 108 Stitches which compares the impact of HRs vs. OBP. This is where I think Benintendi will most impact the Sox. He projects to be an on base machine with decent speed (Maybe a little faster than Bradley but not as fast as Mookie):
At its heart, the answer is simple: Power isn’t the most important factor in determining whether teams score runs. Players with poorly distributed skill sets such as Trumbo and Carter – both of whom feature immense power, but posted on-base percentages that were roughly league average and below-average defense – do not contribute to the most vital area that defines winning and losing.
Trumbo’s Orioles led the majors in homers last year by an enormous margin, mashing 253 longballs. Yet their offense was pedestrian for the season, ranking seventh in the 15-team American League in runs scored. As Baltimore’s on-base percentage plummeted in the second half, they had the second-worst offense in the AL following the All-Star break, even though they led the league in homers during that span.
The Rays likewise hit a ton of homers in 2016 but featured a terrible offense. The reason isn’t complicated. Tampa Bay did a terrible job of getting on base. Despite hitting the fourth most homers in the AL, they scored the second fewest runs in the AL in a year when they ranked second worst in the league in on-base percentage.
Building an offense 2016 American League team offensive ranks Team Runs Rank HR Rank OBP Rank Red Sox 1 7 1 Indians 2 10 4 Mariners 3 2 5 Rangers 4 5 6 Blue Jays 5 3 3 Tigers 6 6 2 Orioles 7 1 9 Astros 8 9 8 Twins 9 8 11 Angels 10 14 7 White Sox 11 13 10 Yankees 12 11 12 Royals 13 15 13 Rays 14 4 14 Athletics 15 12 15 SOURCE: Baseball-Reference.com
In an era where everyone is once again hitting homers – a record 111 players hit 20 or more homers in 2016 – home runs do not an offense define. A look at American League ranks in runs scored, homers, and on-base percentage in 2016 shows a moderate relationship between a team’s rank in runs scored and homers hit (a .50 correlation coefficient, for those keeping score at home) and a nearly perfect relationship between where a team’s on-base percentage ranked and its ranking in runs scored (a .91 correlation coefficient).
In each of the last four years, there’s been a sizable gap in on-base percentage over homers in their relationship to runs scored. Teams are aware of this, and so the presence of the major league leaders in homers on the open market is greeted with a collective ho-hum given their lack of skills around that one singular trait. The result has been a slow-developing market for sluggers, which promises to become increasingly uncomfortable for mashers as the days until spring training dwindle.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 13, 2017 6:27:12 GMT -5
That's probably not the only phone call for those guys that Dombrowski has fielded. I can understand not trading either. And let's not forget that Swihart is that outfield depth, (ducks rotten fruit...) Also from 108 stitches: CATCHER IS A KEEPER: Dave Dombrowski, in a podcast with Buster Olney of ESPN.com, said that the Red Sox held fast to Blake Swihart in trade talks this winter with the belief that the 24-year-old has a chance to emerge as a future All-Star. Jason Varitek, Dombrowski told Olney, was particularly bullish on Swihart’s future behind the plate.
“In Blake Swihart’s case, he’s a real good offensive player. He has the ability to be a good receiver behind the plate. Jason Varitek, who knows much more about catching than I do, tells me he’s going to be an outstanding big league catcher still. In his mind, he just continues to develop,” Dombrowski told Olney.
“For us, he comes [into spring training], he competes for a spot. [Christian Vazquez and Sandy Leon ] are probably a little bit ahead of him. But if he doesn’t make our club – which we’re open-minded to – if he’s the best guy, then he’ll go down and catch every day in Triple A with the expectation that he’s going to be a fine big league player for us in the near future.”
In an interview with MLB Network Radio (as relayed by Chris Smith of MassLive.com), Dombrowski further elaborated that Swihart “has the potential to be an All-Star.”
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