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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 13, 2017 10:55:58 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 13, 2017 16:41:56 GMT -5
Thanks Chris.. Tomlin.. get him mixed up with brent Strom for some reason from old padres.. I do actually remember both, tho have never mentioned to Dave I remember his playing days with SD. He's one with some humor would miss from Fort Myers on our 2-3 trips each summer.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 13, 2017 18:35:29 GMT -5
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Post by thursty on Jan 13, 2017 18:41:31 GMT -5
With today's signings, I have the payroll at ~ $165, though I might be missing someone/thing (are they still paying something for Crawford?)
Now that doesn't include the total for benefits (is that ~ 12m?) Still seems like a pretty safe distance from $189, not sure why they couldn't have afforded Plouffe
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 13, 2017 20:30:01 GMT -5
With today's signings, I have the payroll at ~ $165, though I might be missing someone/thing (are they still paying something for Crawford?) Now that doesn't include the total for benefits (is that ~ 12m?) Still seems like a pretty safe distance from $189, not sure why they couldn't have afforded Plouffe They could afford Plouffe, they just don't want to spend a lot of their trade deadline cash on a platoon player like Plouffe. Plus Plouffe didn't want to accept a reserve role just yet by accepting a deal from Oakland to start at third base for them.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 13, 2017 21:29:33 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 13, 2017 21:58:44 GMT -5
My gut is that he'd win. This isn't independent negotiating - that All-Star selection carries actual monetary value, and $3.6 for an Arb-2 All-Star starting pitcher is way low. I guess you can look and say that he doesn't have big counting stats that are rewarded in arbitration (specifically wins and saves), but man, the Red Sox would do well to see if they can get him to agree to the high 4's.
It's been 16 years since the Red Sox actually went to arbitration with a player, though. I know it's a new regime, but I don't think they'll pick this as their fight.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 13, 2017 22:11:12 GMT -5
Yeah ownership hates bad press. They try to avoid it all costs. That's what arbitration hearings bring. Drew and the Sox will probably meet somewhere in the middle. A gap of almost 2 million is a lot though and it doesn't surprise me to see him unsigned yet if that's the case.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 14, 2017 15:58:43 GMT -5
For those of you who track this stuff, and I know there are a few spreadsheets out there, the arbitration figures for eight seven of the Sox have been posted on MLB.com. While the team has not confirmed those figures, given that Ian Browne is the source, these are likely to be right on. From the article: Player | Arb Yr | Amount | Xander Bogaerts | 1st of 3 | $4.500 M | Jackie Bradley | 1st of 4 | $3.600 M | Brock Holt | 1st of 3 | $1.950 M | Sandy Leon | 1st of 4 | $1.300 M | Joe Kelly | 2nd of 3 | $2.800 M | Robbie Ross | 2nd of 3 | $1.825 M |
Still to go: Pomeranz and Abad.
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Post by bigpupp on Jan 14, 2017 17:08:42 GMT -5
So who was the last Sox player to actually go to trial for salary arbitration with the Red Sox?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 14, 2017 18:53:39 GMT -5
So who was the last Sox player to actually go to trial for salary arbitration with the Red Sox? I believe it was No-No Nanette after the Sox found out she wasn't an unhittable pitcher.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 15, 2017 7:24:13 GMT -5
So who was the last Sox player to actually go to trial for salary arbitration with the Red Sox? I believe it was No-No Nanette after the Sox found out she wasn't an unhittable pitcher. Which was surprising, because if I recall, all they gave up was a candy bar to acquire her.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 15, 2017 11:01:02 GMT -5
I believe it was No-No Nanette after the Sox found out she wasn't an unhittable pitcher. Which was surprising, because if I recall, all they gave up was a candy bar to acquire her. Getting a gut feeling that we're ready for some baseball.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 15, 2017 11:25:24 GMT -5
The Sox got a good number from Xander in arbitration. That's a good sign going forward if the Sox want to extend Xander.
I think Xander got 1 million less than what he was projected to make through arbitration.
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Post by tookme55 on Jan 15, 2017 18:39:59 GMT -5
With today's signings, I have the payroll at ~ $165, though I might be missing someone/thing (are they still paying something for Crawford?) Now that doesn't include the total for benefits (is that ~ 12m?) Still seems like a pretty safe distance from $189, not sure why they couldn't have afforded Plouffe Go to Cot's Basebaseball.....it has very good 40 man projected luxury tax payroll.....You numbers are low..
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Post by bigpupp on Jan 15, 2017 22:58:23 GMT -5
With today's signings, I have the payroll at ~ $165, though I might be missing someone/thing (are they still paying something for Crawford?) Now that doesn't include the total for benefits (is that ~ 12m?) Still seems like a pretty safe distance from $189, not sure why they couldn't have afforded Plouffe Go to Cot's Basebaseball.....it has very good 40 man projected luxury tax payroll.....You numbers are low.. Cot's shows actual money being paid out by the Sox this year, not AAV. AAV is what matter.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2017 0:33:51 GMT -5
With Jose Bautista and Plouffe gone off the market, this is definitely the team that's going to break camp and start the season.
Assuming the Sox are optioning Eduardo Rodriguez to start the year and take it slow with him and the Sox also utilize Joe Kelly as a AAA starter and option him too, the roster is currently set at 24 (with Abad and Hembree making the team out of camp).
That means there would be one spot open in the 25 man roster and the 40 man roster would be set at 38 with Carson Smith going to the 60 day DL recovering from Tommy John surgery.
I hope Roenis Elias gets serious consideration for the last spot on the roster. I love having the option of having 3 lefties in a bullpen and he could serve as a good arm to go multiple innings and serve as a long man in the bullpen or could come in for a inning and face a few LHB for match up reasons.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 16, 2017 5:00:45 GMT -5
With today's signings, I have the payroll at ~ $165, though I might be missing someone/thing (are they still paying something for Crawford?) Now that doesn't include the total for benefits (is that ~ 12m?) Still seems like a pretty safe distance from $189, not sure why they couldn't have afforded Plouffe You have to consider the timing. When it was rumored that they would be willing to sign Plouffe if the price came down to about $3m, it was also about the time that DD said they wanted to extend some of the young players. That shoe hasn't dropped yet. If they do it during the off-season, the advantage is that the AAV is spread out over a longer period and is lower. If they wait until after the season starts, this year's AAV payroll figure is lower but future years are higher. Plus, if they signed Plouffe at $5m, they wouldn't have had the salary room for a late season guest appearance from David Arias.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 16, 2017 6:22:38 GMT -5
Go to Cot's Basebaseball.....it has very good 40 man projected luxury tax payroll.....You numbers are low.. Cot's shows actual money being paid out by the Sox this year, not AAV. AAV is what matter. Cot's has both kinds of info. Clink the link for "2017-22 payroll and tax tracker"
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 17, 2017 1:42:50 GMT -5
Two charts for you all to think about. Player salaries for the Sox, from 2000-2016 along with the luxury tax from 2003-2016. The first is un-adjusted dollars, the second takes 2000 as base and calculates spending in that year's dollars* (click to expand): *data from Cot's Baseball Contracts
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2017 6:06:14 GMT -5
Benintendi is changing his number from 40 to his old number in college at Arkansas in number 16. This means absolutely nothing, just brings back good memories of me watching Benintendi's highlights of destroying college pitching.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 18, 2017 21:16:16 GMT -5
This sux: Ian Browne @ianmbrowne 32m32 minutes ago Jerry Remy signs a multi-year extension with NESN that has him doing 115 games per year. Good news for redsox fans.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 19, 2017 0:01:02 GMT -5
Yeah ownership hates bad press. They try to avoid it all costs. That's what arbitration hearings bring. Drew and the Sox will probably meet somewhere in the middle. A gap of almost 2 million is a lot though and it doesn't surprise me to see him unsigned yet if that's the case. It's not about bad press. I think most fans couldn't care less about whether the arbitration cases settle or go to a hearing. It's about the fact that in an arbitration hearing, the team literally has to go in and, in front of the player himself, explain to the arbitrator why the player isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is and point out all of the ways he's lacking. It's just not a good situation and a key reason why very few cases actually go to the arbitrator. Think about how you'd feel if your employer or teacher went into this situation and started listing all of the things you're not very good at. It tends to create ill will between the team and the player - a friend who works at an agency told me once about a player (made a couple all-star teams, was an average or better regular for 6-7 seasons) who never forgave his team for what they said about him in the arb hearing and he held it against them in contract negotiations thereafter.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 19, 2017 0:23:12 GMT -5
Benintendi is changing his number from 40 to his old number in college at Arkansas in number 16. This means absolutely nothing, just brings back good memories of me watching Benintendi's highlights of destroying college pitching. Well it could mean that it's #16 we see up in the retired numbers area some day rather than #40.
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Post by thursty on Jan 19, 2017 0:27:51 GMT -5
Do players actually attend their own arbitration hearings? I'm skeptical Well according to this, they're required to attend - that seems odd
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