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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 15:07:45 GMT -5
If you release a player then his money counts against the luxury tax. If you outright someone (like Castillo and Craig) to the minors and off of the 40-man roster, it does not. They have to pay all of them. If he were to sign with another team, his luxury tax number would be what the Red Sox owe him minus what that other team were to agree to pay him. So if he's released and signs with someone for like $800K in 2018, there would be $800K of cap savings next year. Got you. Thanks for the info. Thought I had a loophole. This looks like one of the reasons Ben was let go. Would have liked a happy medium between Ben's not wanting to give up anyone on the farm versus Dave's wholesale moves. I guess Pablo going off the books in two years will fit nicely against the anticipated salary crunch coming with mookie and the gang.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 21, 2017 20:33:20 GMT -5
Anyway, I've been talking for like 25 years now about how Matt Hague can actually play. I'm guessing it wouldn't take a whole lot to pry a 31-year-old Rochester Red Wing stuck behind Miguel Sano away from the Twins, so let's make this happen. Any chance there's a reason he's a 31-yr old stuck in AAA and nobody else is trying to pry him away?
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 22, 2017 6:41:08 GMT -5
Anyway, I've been talking for like 25 years now about how Matt Hague can actually play. I'm guessing it wouldn't take a whole lot to pry a 31-year-old Rochester Red Wing stuck behind Miguel Sano away from the Twins, so let's make this happen. Checked his stats and he looks serviceable....never had much chance in the majors but a .300 Minors BA with a bit of power.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 22, 2017 7:07:58 GMT -5
Anyway, I've been talking for like 25 years now about how Matt Hague can actually play. I'm guessing it wouldn't take a whole lot to pry a 31-year-old Rochester Red Wing stuck behind Miguel Sano away from the Twins, so let's make this happen. Any chance there's a reason he's a 31-yr old stuck in AAA and nobody else is trying to pry him away? Because he's somewhere above replacement-level and below average without the sort of standout skill that made him into an exciting prospect. He's a good contact right-handed hitter without plus power, speed, or defense, so he's not really a bench player on a team carrying 12 or 13 pitchers. He's a lot like Kevin Youkilis, in that he has a weird stance, a bad body, and an ability to square up line drives that doesn't seem to align with those. But he's not the defensive third baseman that Youkilis was, and Youkilis wasn't Brooks Robinson there (though he got pretty good at first base). He has an advanced approach and makes good contact and right now a .280/.350/.380 third baseman with below average defense who doesn't give away at-bats would be a godsend.
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Post by mannofsteele on Jun 22, 2017 10:58:53 GMT -5
Can we just put him on wavers to designate, bring up Dominguez or Craig and move on. This has been a Edgar Renteria, Carl Crawford nightmare.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 22, 2017 11:33:51 GMT -5
Can we just put him on wavers to designate, bring up Dominguez or Craig and move on. This has been a Edgar Renteria, Carl Crawford nightmare. And notably, they didn't cut either Renteria or Crawford. Renteria was also making half as much and was in the pre-CBT era, so his money wasn't as big of a deal. The Red Sox had to give up Gonzalez in order to get the Dodgers to take on most of the Beckett and Crawford money. It's not as simple as just cutting Sandoval with the money he's making. They're going to give Sandoval every last chance to redeem some value before just cutting him loose and taking a $18.5M AAV CBT hit (his $19M AAV minus the league minimum someone would probably pay him) to play for someone else through 2019.
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Post by Coreno on Jun 22, 2017 11:34:41 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd rather give a shot to either Ryan Court or Jantzen Witte before either of those guys.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 22, 2017 12:23:40 GMT -5
Can we just put him on wavers to designate, bring up Dominguez or Craig and move on. This has been a Edgar Renteria, Carl Crawford nightmare. And notably, they didn't cut either Renteria or Crawford. Renteria was also making half as much and was in the pre-CBT era, so his money wasn't as big of a deal. The Red Sox had to give up Gonzalez in order to get the Dodgers to take on most of the Beckett and Crawford money. It's not as simple as just cutting Sandoval with the money he's making. They're going to give Sandoval every last chance to redeem some value before just cutting him loose and taking a $18.5M AAV CBT hit (his $19M AAV minus the league minimum someone would probably pay him) to play for someone else through 2019. I really think they've already done that and they're just waiting for the trade market to open up. There are only so many errors a team fighting to win the division can afford to live with. At this point, I'd make Marrero the full time 3B until a trade can be made. Winning the division is more important than Sandoval's 2018 and 2019 salaries. Missing the playoffs probably would cost the team more than his salary would if he's the difference.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 22, 2017 15:01:07 GMT -5
That's true and all good points, but they might be able to carry him on the bench without taking too much of a hit either, especially in September when rosters expand. Then you just leave him off the postseason roster. Next year he takes one last crack at it and you dump him if it's still not working and Devers is ready.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 22, 2017 15:13:47 GMT -5
That's true and all good points, but they might be able to carry him on the bench without taking too much of a hit either, especially in September when rosters expand. Then you just leave him off the postseason roster. Next year he takes one last crack at it and you dump him if it's still not working and Devers is ready. Definitely possible, if they drag the ear infection out and go with the max rehab. I guess they could also ask him to accept a AAA assignment. It would be so much easier to keep him on the roster if they had Holt, but still he has almost no value on the bench either.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 22, 2017 15:31:18 GMT -5
All good points. This has for me been the biggest injury bugaboo this year, even more than Thornburg and Smith. What looked like good depth what with Holt and Hernandez, disappeared really quickly. Relievers aren't strictly commodities, but it is possible to shuffle through failed starters, promising newcomers and re-treads to find semi-viable replacements. When you need someone to give you 9 innings day in and day out, that's a different story. It's been like watching leaves fall at third base.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 22, 2017 15:41:24 GMT -5
That's true and all good points, but they might be able to carry him on the bench without taking too much of a hit either, especially in September when rosters expand. Then you just leave him off the postseason roster. Next year he takes one last crack at it and you dump him if it's still not working and Devers is ready. Definitely possible, if they drag the ear infection out and go with the max rehab. I guess they could also ask him to accept a AAA assignment. It would be so much easier to keep him on the roster if they had Holt, but still he has almost no value on the bench either. I mean, Holt takes Marrero's spot on the roster, so I'm not sure that's here or there. If anything the infield injuries make it easier to carry Sandoval because he's not taking the spot of a guy in Pawtucket who could help you. Now, if they trade for someone, that's different.
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