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6/19-6/21 Red Sox @ Royals Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2017 22:13:17 GMT -5
Not sure why Sale needed to pitch the 9th up 8-1. He's on 110 pitches now. Because CG. John Farrell, please pick up the white phone. The white phone, and security will meet you and escort you out.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 20, 2017 22:33:02 GMT -5
Satisfying. First place...whoda thunk! Onward we go....
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Post by telson13 on Jun 20, 2017 22:36:22 GMT -5
John Farrell, please pick up the white phone. The white phone, and security will meet you and escort you out. "Captain Oveur, captain Clarence Oveur, please pick up the white courtesy phone."
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 20, 2017 22:43:00 GMT -5
Looking at the box - the Hanley stinker stands out. Our clean up hitting DH. 0-4. Batting.241. 6 doubles, 26 RBI (good for 6th on the team in RBI).
WAR going into the game a big fat 0.1.
Yikes
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Post by larrycook on Jun 20, 2017 22:57:09 GMT -5
Looking at the box - the Hanley stinker stands out. Our clean up hitting DH. 0-4. Batting.241. 6 doubles, 26 RBI (good for 6th on the team in RBI). WAR going into the game a big fat 0.1. Yikes He has been playing through a shoulder and neck injury all season. But at what point do we put him on the dl, let him heal up and and play Travis/Moreland at 1st/dh? I would love to see what Skills Travis really has. Consequently I would also love to see the sox trade abad in order to open up a spot in the pen for Maddux. I think this kid has the skills to help us.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 20, 2017 22:58:36 GMT -5
Yeah I'm beginning to forget about third and thinking about Abreau as a platoon rh1b/dh. He's owed about 6m for '17 and if Hanley doesn't find himself soon I'd like to see what the WS would want for this moose. www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/7546/jose-abreu
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 20, 2017 23:34:38 GMT -5
Somehow, by virtue of the Yankees taking a week off from winning any ballgames, the Red Sox have poked their heads into first place. Feels good. Never imagined first place with Josh Rutledge at 2b and Deven Marrero at 3b, but take what you can get.
Like I said before - if Porcello and Price can get their acts together, E-Rod comes back healthy, they get a 3b who can actually hit and field the position, and Hanley comes alive with the bat, the Sox can go places.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 20, 2017 23:47:42 GMT -5
Red Sox are 17-10 since Rosenthal speculated Farrell could be fired. It's the calm eyes.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 20, 2017 23:53:39 GMT -5
Somehow, by virtue of the Yankees taking a week off from winning any ballgames, the Red Sox have poked their heads into first place. Feels good. Never imagined first place with Josh Rutledge at 2b and Deven Marrero at 3b, but take what you can get. Like I said before - if Porcello and Price can get their acts together, E-Rod comes back healthy, they get a 3b who can actually hit and field the position, and Hanley comes alive with the bat, the Sox can go places. For your ifs...thinking Porcello, Price and ERod are all likely. 3b ...who knows how that will play out. Hanley catching fire to me is the least likely but you never know. Would rather give Travis the ABs
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 21, 2017 0:59:05 GMT -5
Somehow, by virtue of the Yankees taking a week off from winning any ballgames, the Red Sox have poked their heads into first place. Feels good. Never imagined first place with Josh Rutledge at 2b and Deven Marrero at 3b, but take what you can get. Like I said before - if Porcello and Price can get their acts together, E-Rod comes back healthy, they get a 3b who can actually hit and field the position, and Hanley comes alive with the bat, the Sox can go places. The Yankees were on a pace for over 100 wins. Now it's obvious Cashman fielded a team they can win some games with, but they also have serious holes. The relievers are mediocre at best, and the pitching staff is all over the map. Sabathia gets by on guile these days, and Tanaka hasn't looked quite right for a long time. Pineda has very good and very bad days,... and so on. Severino has looked the best, but I don't know that you want a 23 year-old carrying the team on his back. They can compete and they're likely to stay in the race, but the pressure will be enormous to trade for mercenaries to put them over the top. That's true in New York even more so than Boston. What will they be willing to give up, what will it cost them? I don't believe they're a 100 win team so they were due for a fall. But I'll bet they stick around.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 21, 2017 6:27:09 GMT -5
The Yankees were on a pace for over 100 wins. Now it's obvious Cashman fielded a team they can win some games with, but they also have serious holes. The relievers are mediocre at best, and the pitching staff is all over the map. Sabathia gets by on guile these days, and Tanaka hasn't looked quite right for a long time. Pineda has very good and very bad days,... and so on. Severino has looked the best, but I don't know that you want a 23 year-old carrying the team on his back. They can compete and they're likely to stay in the race, but the pressure will be enormous to trade for mercenaries to put them over the top. That's true in New York even more so than Boston. What will they be willing to give up, what will it cost them?
I don't believe they're a 100 win team so they were due for a fall. But I'll bet they stick around. Over the years, I felt Cashman may overpay for FA but they dont seem to do that in trades.
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Post by jdb on Jun 21, 2017 7:05:25 GMT -5
Regarding Hanley I think if he didn't have an option riding on PAs for the next two seasons he'd have been on the DL by now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2017 7:44:10 GMT -5
Somehow, by virtue of the Yankees taking a week off from winning any ballgames, the Red Sox have poked their heads into first place. Feels good. Never imagined first place with Josh Rutledge at 2b and Deven Marrero at 3b, but take what you can get. Like I said before - if Porcello and Price can get their acts together, E-Rod comes back healthy, they get a 3b who can actually hit and field the position, and Hanley comes alive with the bat, the Sox can go places. The Yankees were on a pace for over 100 wins. Now it's obvious Cashman fielded a team they can win some games with, but they also have serious holes. The relievers are mediocre at best, and the pitching staff is all over the map. Sabathia gets by on guile these days, and Tanaka hasn't looked quite right for a long time. Pineda has very good and very bad days,... and so on. Severino has looked the best, but I don't know that you want a 23 year-old carrying the team on his back. They can compete and they're likely to stay in the race, but the pressure will be enormous to trade for mercenaries to put them over the top. That's true in New York even more so than Boston. What will they be willing to give up, what will it cost them? I don't believe they're a 100 win team so they were due for a fall. But I'll bet they stick around. The Yankees will heat up again. They have enough to stay in the race and win it if the Sox don't resolve some of their own issues. As they both are now, both teams are heavily flawed. I think Porcello, Price, and a real 3b are the keys to the Sox season (and not getting any awful injuries of guys who are extremely tough to replace.)
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 21, 2017 8:19:25 GMT -5
Ahh first place vibes.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 21, 2017 8:29:00 GMT -5
The Yankees were on a pace for over 100 wins. Now it's obvious Cashman fielded a team they can win some games with, but they also have serious holes. The relievers are mediocre at best, and the pitching staff is all over the map. Sabathia gets by on guile these days, and Tanaka hasn't looked quite right for a long time. Pineda has very good and very bad days,... and so on. Severino has looked the best, but I don't know that you want a 23 year-old carrying the team on his back. They can compete and they're likely to stay in the race, but the pressure will be enormous to trade for mercenaries to put them over the top. That's true in New York even more so than Boston. What will they be willing to give up, what will it cost them? I don't believe they're a 100 win team so they were due for a fall. But I'll bet they stick around. The Yankees will heat up again. They have enough to stay in the race and win it if the Sox don't resolve some of their own issues. As they both are now, both teams are heavily flawed. I think Porcello, Price, and a real 3b are the keys to the Sox season (and not getting any awful injuries of guys who are extremely tough to replace.) I think the odds the Yankees fade down the stretch is greater than them battling for first the rest of the way. Besides the problems with their pitching staff, they have 3-4 guys who if the season were to end now would have career years. I just can't believe Gregorious, Castro, Hicks and Holliday (at age 37) will continue hitting like they have been.
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Post by michael on Jun 21, 2017 9:29:05 GMT -5
Regarding Hanley I think if he didn't have an option riding on PAs for the next two seasons he'd have been on the DL by now. Maybe a threat of the DL, causing Hanley to miss the qualifying games to trigger his 5th year would help heal his shoulder wounds. Tough love, mah Mahn.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 21, 2017 11:16:08 GMT -5
The Yankees will heat up again. They have enough to stay in the race and win it if the Sox don't resolve some of their own issues. As they both are now, both teams are heavily flawed. I think Porcello, Price, and a real 3b are the keys to the Sox season (and not getting any awful injuries of guys who are extremely tough to replace.) I think the odds the Yankees fade down the stretch is greater than them battling for first the rest of the way. Besides the problems with their pitching staff, they have 3-4 guys who if the season were to end now would have career years. I just can't believe Gregorious, Castro, Hicks and Holliday (at age 37) will continue hitting like they have been. I don't disagree, but even with those players performing at career norms, they still put a good team on the field. It's just not a 100 win team. The real problem is the pitching, and that's where I can see them trying to add players at the trade deadline. There will be a lot of pressure to do that if they stay in the hunt and I think they will.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 21, 2017 11:18:59 GMT -5
Regarding Hanley I think if he didn't have an option riding on PAs for the next two seasons he'd have been on the DL by now. Maybe a threat of the DL, causing Hanley to miss the qualifying games to trigger his 5th year would help heal his shoulder wounds. Tough love, mah Mahn. This isn't a shot at Michael or anyone specifically, but I'm unsure why people think they know the "real information" about the state of health of his shoulder, or of players' health in general.
In 2015, he sustained an injury in a game that we all saw. He did not play to his statistical norms that year.
In 2016, he was apparently healthy and contributed solid play at 1B and he hit well. He seemed to have a joy for the game.
In 2017, his shoulder has bothered him and he has not hit particularly well. His attitude has not been observably poor. Sure, he runs into outs but Dustin Pedroia does too. Not that I think everything the team says about medical matters should be written in stone, but I just don't get the "He's dogging it and is faking a hurt shoulder" stuff. We don't know that and I don't think John Farrell would keep him off 1B just because he complained about playing defense. Consider the very plain way John Farrell has spoken of Pablo Sandoval in the last few weeks, indicating that he needed to play better to find his place on the roster/line-up. He isn't making any excuses for him and I don't know why we'd think he would make excuses for Hanley Ramirez if he thought he was not giving 100%.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 21, 2017 11:23:07 GMT -5
Regarding Hanley I think if he didn't have an option riding on PAs for the next two seasons he'd have been on the DL by now. Maybe a threat of the DL, causing Hanley to miss the qualifying games to trigger his 5th year would help heal his shoulder wounds. Tough love, mah Mahn. My opinion, but that's pure BS. The idea that different players are malingerers and that they can be motivated by threats gets throw around a lot. It's a tough game and playing it when you're hurt doesn't make it any easier. I've said this before but it's worth repeating. When he's healthy he hits. His problem has always been the same one: he's been hurt a lot in his career and it looks as if he's hurt again. That does mean they need other options. It doesn't mean they do it as a form of punishment. These guys live together for 162 games. Creating that sort of clubhouse atmosphere gets you on the downward slope to Uber real fast.
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Post by jmei on Jun 21, 2017 13:15:22 GMT -5
Is there a reason to think that Ramirez is injured other than the fact that he's hitting poorly? Because I don't think you can work backwards and assume he's hurt if the only evidence of such is that he's hitting poorly. Hitters decline for non-injury reasons all the time, and Ramirez is well into the decline phase of his career (turns 34 in December).ADD: I should have Googled that before I posted it-- from a June 12 masslive story ( link):
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 13:50:03 GMT -5
You can't let Ian Kennedy shut you out. Freaking offense.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2017 13:53:33 GMT -5
Ian Kennedy throwing a no hitter after 3 innings, hold my beer.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 13:55:16 GMT -5
These lead off doubles by Pomeranz isn't helping either.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 21, 2017 14:04:11 GMT -5
I planted a garden and harvested tomatoes in the time it takes him to deliver a pitch.
Been counting - with men on base, 30 seconds or so between one pitch and the next. Can't be fun for the fielders.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2017 14:04:31 GMT -5
There sure are a lot of games that you just know right away that they're not worth watching. This is such a strange 1st place team.
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