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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 25, 2017 9:20:10 GMT -5
This is unreal Farrell has no idea what he is doing !!! Can we please trade for Torey Lovullo... Betts bats 3rd all year...wake up...Moreland has a broken toe...DL him....Bogaerts is leadoff or second never a 3rd hitter!!!!! Don't know man!!! Not sure!!! Changing the order would!!!! Solve anything!!!!!!!! Everyone is slumping!!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 25, 2017 9:51:40 GMT -5
This, folks, is a slump.
From Scott Lauber, ESPN
In 17 games since July 4, the Red Sox are batting .205 with .275 on-base percentage and more strikeouts (147) than hits (121). They are slugging .296 with 15 doubles and 13 homers. They have scored 53 runs (3.1 per game) and gotten shut out three times, bringing their majors-leading total to nine shutouts. Even worse, they have scored in only 31 of 164 innings (18.9 percent). Amid that team-wide slump, 20-year-old third baseman Rafael Devers will make his debut Tuesday night in Seattle.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 25, 2017 10:49:40 GMT -5
If the 20 year old kid is the panacea for all our offensive ills, I will be pleasantly shocked. I don't think that is going to be the case, though. He can only do what he is capable, and I think he will acquit himself just fine. The good thing is team's, even the 2013 champs, have 3 game losing streaks and win World Series. If our pitching goes bad, we are in a heap of trouble. I will reiterate, I think something else is in the offing. Is there a catcher out there we need to be discussing, (DD)? That is another gaping hole. Other than that, I say hit the juice, we need all the help we can get ( )
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Post by wesmantooth on Jul 25, 2017 12:04:36 GMT -5
I'm most worried about Xander. When hes gone THIS bad he tends to not be able turn it around. I think its a focus issue with him, I don't know how he can go from a super disciplined hitter who doesn't chase outside the zone to know chasing awful pitches.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2017 12:28:49 GMT -5
I'm most worried about Xander. When hes gone THIS bad he tends to not be able turn it around. I think its a focus issue with him, I don't know how he can go from a super disciplined hitter who doesn't chase outside the zone to know chasing awful pitches. He's hurt. It's a huge concern. He might not get better during the season. He hurt his thumb early in the season and that was likely why the power was disappeared. Since he was hit on the hand, it's been that much worse. This is not a focus issue and I'm not sure why everyone goes right to blaming mental issues every time someone doesn't hit like they are capable. By the end of the season, someone will probably write a book about how Papi made the team score an extra 200 runs just with his presence in the clubhouse. It's ridiculous.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 25, 2017 12:48:26 GMT -5
Xander's issues didn't start this year with injuries - it began part way through last year. Was batting .351 in late June, stared a decline - had a flare up in late July, then sagged through the end of the year to end below .300. 8 HR and 22 RBI in August and Sept.
Certainly an injury component this year, but also a mechanical thing that started mid last season.
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Post by wildsox on Jul 25, 2017 13:20:01 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion hat we should let Sam Travis be our starting 1B for the rest of the season. Even if he struggles he won't be worse than what Moreland is giving us right now
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Post by nomar on Jul 25, 2017 13:25:59 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion hat we should let Sam Travis be our starting 1B for the rest of the season. Even if he struggles he won't be worse than what Moreland is giving us right now He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in AAA. If the toe is the reason for Moreland's struggles then it makes sense to replace him. But for all we know he could just be cold and may be able to heat back up soon.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 25, 2017 14:24:37 GMT -5
I'm most worried about Xander. When hes gone THIS bad he tends to not be able turn it around. I think its a focus issue with him, I don't know how he can go from a super disciplined hitter who doesn't chase outside the zone to know chasing awful pitches. He's hurt. It's a huge concern. He might not get better during the season. He hurt his thumb early in the season and that was likely why the power was disappeared. Since he was hit on the hand, it's been that much worse. This is not a focus issue and I'm not sure why everyone goes right to blaming mental issues every time someone doesn't hit like they are capable. By the end of the season, someone will probably write a book about how Papi made the team score an extra 200 runs just with his presence in the clubhouse. It's ridiculous. You keep referencing the injury...which is fair and I agree. However, there is empirical evidence of his hitting poorly because of confidence levels in his Sox tenure. That observation comes from a guy (me) who wants success for him more than I want for any other player on this team.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2017 14:29:52 GMT -5
He's hurt. It's a huge concern. He might not get better during the season. He hurt his thumb early in the season and that was likely why the power was disappeared. Since he was hit on the hand, it's been that much worse. This is not a focus issue and I'm not sure why everyone goes right to blaming mental issues every time someone doesn't hit like they are capable. By the end of the season, someone will probably write a book about how Papi made the team score an extra 200 runs just with his presence in the clubhouse. It's ridiculous. You keep referencing the injury...which is fair and I agree. However, there is empirical evidence of his hitting poorly because of confidence levels in his Sox tenure. That observation comes from a guy (me) who wants success for him more than I want for any other player on this team. What empirical evidence is that? Because all I see are the actual numbers and a bunch of people guessing.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 25, 2017 14:51:35 GMT -5
You keep referencing the injury...which is fair and I agree. However, there is empirical evidence of his hitting poorly because of confidence levels in his Sox tenure. That observation comes from a guy (me) who wants success for him more than I want for any other player on this team. What empirical evidence is that? Because all I see are the actual numbers and a bunch of people guessing. When they brought in Stephen Drew. The second half of last year (or was it 2015. sorry...can't remember....wasn't he like 3.5 WAR in the first half). He gets in some serious ruts, it has been very noticeable to me and others.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2017 14:57:24 GMT -5
What empirical evidence is that? Because all I see are the actual numbers and a bunch of people guessing. When they brought in Stephen Drew. The second half of last year (or was it 2015. sorry...can't remember....wasn't he like 3.5 WAR in the first half). He gets in some serious ruts, it has been very noticeable to me and others. That's not evidence that it's mental. Pitchers figured him out and he has issues with it to this day. He can either go the other way and hit singles to RF forever or he can swing for the fences and hit more home runs and strike out 30% of the time. I'm sorry that he's not the best player in the major leagues like we all hoped he'd be, but he's still a very good player when he's healthy. And that's his problem now. He's not.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 25, 2017 15:24:24 GMT -5
When they brought in Stephen Drew. The second half of last year (or was it 2015. sorry...can't remember....wasn't he like 3.5 WAR in the first half). He gets in some serious ruts, it has been very noticeable to me and others. That's not evidence that it's mental. Pitchers figured him out and he has issues with it to this day. He can either go the other way and hit singles to RF forever or he can swing for the fences and hit more home runs and strike out 30% of the time. I'm sorry that he's not the best player in the major leagues like we all hoped he'd be, but he's still a very good player when he's healthy. And that's his problem now. He's not. We will have to disagree a bit here, for these pros, a lot of this is mental. I love the guy, as I said. I don't care that he is the best, just want to him to succeed.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 25, 2017 15:27:27 GMT -5
That assessment of Xander also doesn't give him any credit - or credit to any ball players to adjust. Hitters come up, may or may not succeed - if they do, pitchers learn and adjust their approach and the hitters adjust (the best hitters end up excelling). So with Xander - he is young, he is promising - he has an injury. But beyond that, one would hope that as pitchers find ways to get him out, he will adjust and modify his approach. Thus far, he hasn't shown an ability to adjust very quickly....hopefully once (if?) his injury heals, that factor will be eliminated - then we will see what happens.
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Post by patford on Jul 25, 2017 16:09:30 GMT -5
Last time I looked Tampa had lost five straight. Maybe they should panic and blow up the team.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 25, 2017 17:52:26 GMT -5
Last time I looked Tampa had lost five straight. Maybe they should panic and blow up the team. And yet they've only lost one game in the standings. Funny that.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 25, 2017 17:55:25 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion hat we should let Sam Travis be our starting 1B for the rest of the season. Even if he struggles he won't be worse than what Moreland is giving us right now He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in AAA. If the toe is the reason for Moreland's struggles then it makes sense to replace him. But for all we know he could just be cold and may be able to heat back up soon. Agreed. I am still not convinced Travis can be an average MLB first baseman. Not sure how he got the shine here of a guy who projects as above average or better at that position
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Post by libertine on Jul 25, 2017 18:10:42 GMT -5
I have long ago consigned myself to the belief that this team will go as far as their pitching, defense and, to a lesser extent, speed would carry them. I also realized that there would be these stretches where they look absolutely toothless offensively.
They probably will still win the division but it'll be playing a game that none of us as long time/term Red Sox fans will be remotely familiar/comfortable with. And if they do win it we can see in the post season if the old baseball truism "good pitching beats good hitting" is actually accurate.
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Post by Canseco on Jul 25, 2017 18:13:37 GMT -5
It continues to really bother me to see Betts hit leadoff. Pedey, to me, is the clear table setter on the squad. Let's shake things up! Big ball game tonight.
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Post by wildsox on Jul 25, 2017 18:25:43 GMT -5
He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in AAA. If the toe is the reason for Moreland's struggles then it makes sense to replace him. But for all we know he could just be cold and may be able to heat back up soon. Agreed. I am still not convinced Travis can be an average MLB first baseman. Not sure how he got the shine here of a guy who projects as above average or better at that position Moreland is only batting .243 and strikes out way too much. Travis at at least put the ball in play in his limited at bats
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Post by station13 on Jul 25, 2017 21:20:49 GMT -5
Mookie with another weak pop up.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 25, 2017 21:21:31 GMT -5
Well, I see that the offense is fixed.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 25, 2017 21:35:18 GMT -5
Too many - way too many - automatic outs in the line up - no way to string anything together, no chance for a rally.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jul 25, 2017 21:35:26 GMT -5
14 scoreless and running. Was shocked to see Xander chasing out of the strike zone there.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 25, 2017 21:37:35 GMT -5
I'm ready for Yonder Alonso - Red Sox 1st baseman.
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