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World Series Gameday Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 22, 2017 21:06:10 GMT -5
2017 World Series Schedule
Tue., Oct. 24: World Series Game 1, Astros at Dodgers, 8 p.m. Fox
Wed. Oct. 25: World Series Game 2, Astros at Dodgers, 8 p.m. Fox
Thu. Oct. 26: Travel day
Fri. Oct. 27: World Series Game 3, Dodgers at Astros, 8 p.m. Fox
Sat. Oct. 28: World Series Game 4, Dodgers at Astros, 8 p.m. Fox
Sun. Oct. 29: World Series Game 5*, Dodgers at Astros, 8 p.m. Fox
Mon. Oct. 30: Travel day
Tue. Oct. 31: World Series Game 6*, Astros at Dodgers, 8 p.m. Fox
Wed. Nov. 1: World Series Game 7*, Astros at Dodgers, 8 p.m. Fox
* If necessary
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 23, 2017 5:18:14 GMT -5
I will say that I'm glad that one of Verlander or Kershaw will finally win a ring. Kershaw is probably the best pitcher of this generation and Verlander is a borderline HOF in his own right.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2017 13:18:14 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to this World Series.
These are two teams where it's easy to find reasons to root for them.
The Dodgers have won before, certainly, but it has been awhile, and it would be nice if Tommy Lasorda and Vin Scully could enjoy another Championship. And it's certainly easy to root for their manager, Dave Roberts, and Gabe Kapler who plays an important role in the organization.
Meanwhile, the Astros have never even won a World Series game before, let alone a World Series. They were well put together, like the Dodgers, and the city of Houston could certainly use something uplifting.
The only thing I can root for in this series is 7 exciting games where I have no idea who is going to win until the very end.
This is when I really enjoy just being a baseball fan, a fan of the game, as opposed to being a Red Sox fan/Yankee hater.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 23, 2017 13:27:17 GMT -5
I just hope that everyone goes out there and has a good time. Maybe, just maybe, they'll learn a little bit about themselves as well.
Kidding aside, first time since 1970 that two 100-win teams have played in the WS, and just the 8th time ever. Of the previous 7, just two happened in the LCS era, and 1969 and 1970 were the first two years of that.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 23, 2017 18:06:18 GMT -5
I'll be happy for either team if they win so I'm already happy. Just want to see a long competitive series with both teams playing their best.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 23, 2017 22:11:00 GMT -5
I just hope that everyone goes out there and has a good time. Maybe, just maybe, they'll learn a little bit about themselves as well. Kidding aside, first time since 1970 that two 100-win teams have played in the WS, and just the 8th time ever. Of the previous 7, just two happened in the LCS era, and 1969 and 1970 were the first two years of that. This is definitely a case where the two best teams from each of the leagues made it to the Series. They're both really enjoyable to watch and... it will be warm for a change. The talk is of triple digits in Chavez Ravine at game time. We'll see who sweats first. |
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Post by gerry on Oct 24, 2017 1:27:17 GMT -5
I just hope that everyone goes out there and has a good time. Maybe, just maybe, they'll learn a little bit about themselves as well. Kidding aside, first time since 1970 that two 100-win teams have played in the WS, and just the 8th time ever. Of the previous 7, just two happened in the LCS era, and 1969 and 1970 were the first two years of that. This is definitely a case where the two best teams from each of the leagues made it to the Series. They're both really enjoyable to watch and... it will be warm for a change. The talk is of triple digits in Chavez Ravine at game time. We'll see who sweats first. Wicked heat wave. Broke heat records all over the L.A. Coastal Plain. Hotter in beachfront Long Beach (105) where they closed schools early, than San Bernardino desert (101). Very rare. Should be 99 - 101 in LA at 5 (start of game here). Hotter on the field. Single digit humidity may favor Astro's power. Wednesday will also be a record breaking scorcher, approaching 100. Another consideration may be mild smoke inhalation if fires continue to form. 100 degrees plus smokey air is not the time for exertion when the elderly and frail are told to stay indoors. Dodger Stadium seldom gets to 100+ even in summer, so neither the players nor fans will be used to it. Supposed to get back down to the 80's by the weekend. Kershaw, Hill (why can't we get players like that) will be ready on this) end. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 24, 2017 9:20:09 GMT -5
I just hope that everyone goes out there and has a good time. Maybe, just maybe, they'll learn a little bit about themselves as well. Kidding aside, first time since 1970 that two 100-win teams have played in the WS, and just the 8th time ever. Of the previous 7, just two happened in the LCS era, and 1969 and 1970 were the first two years of that. This is definitely a case where the two best teams from each of the leagues made it to the Series. They're both really enjoyable to watch and... it will be warm for a change. The talk is of triple digits in Chavez Ravine at game time. We'll see who sweats first. Ehhhhh, I think the Indians might quibble with that, although the late acquisition of Verlander and his turning back the clock to 2009 might've tipped the scales. |
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Post by Coreno on Oct 24, 2017 12:06:52 GMT -5
I still think Houston was the better team. They won only 1 less game, and their season didn't include any insane winning streaks to skew that average.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 24, 2017 12:47:50 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 24, 2017 19:39:39 GMT -5
Is it just me or does anyone else have the urge to press the YouTube play button on the backstop ad in the middle of the picture?
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Post by ramireja on Oct 24, 2017 20:38:13 GMT -5
10 K's through 62 pitches for Kershaw is......good.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 24, 2017 21:06:32 GMT -5
I can't believe they're in the bottom of the 7th at 10:00. I don't think any of the Cubs vs. Nationals games were into the fifth by the two-hour mark.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 24, 2017 21:43:56 GMT -5
I can't believe they're in the bottom of the 7th at 10:00. I don't think any of the Cubs vs. Nationals games were into the fifth by the two-hour mark. Hyper-efficient pitching will do that. Both pitchers were cruising but for the HR burps. Helps to have the pitchers hitting also. That's always quick ride. Well under 3 hours. |
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 24, 2017 21:49:19 GMT -5
2:28. Shortest World Series game since 1992, according to Buck.
Probably unpopular opinion: Joe Buck is pretty good at announcing when he's paired with a decent color man like Smoltz.
Also, Alex Rodriguez is pretty good as a studio analyst, but I find his hyper-perfect diction unsettling.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 24, 2017 22:07:06 GMT -5
Not gonna lie...I had no idea Kenley Jansen was from Curacao until tonight
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 24, 2017 23:20:44 GMT -5
Not gonna lie...I had no idea Kenley Jansen was from Curacao until tonight You look at guys like Simmons, Bogaerts, Schoop, and Jansen... those smallish islands seem to have a bit of talent surfacing. That talent is the big reason you might not want to face the Netherlands in the first round of the WBC. Jansen has been unhitable in the playoffs. Houston has to solve that puzzle quickly by figuring him out or better yet getting ahead and staying there. They don't want to see this guy coming in from the pen again and again. Roberts is not afraid to let him go longer either. He's had a dozen+ stints of more than one inning this season. He's a weapon. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 25, 2017 5:10:45 GMT -5
This was vintage Kershaw tonight. The Dodgers are a wagon. I don't see them losing this.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 25, 2017 9:37:01 GMT -5
This was vintage Kershaw tonight. The Dodgers are a wagon. I don't see them losing this. 1 game where the home team wins is way too early to declare a winner. Both of these teams are really good. I'll wait until they take a game in Houston before getting too excited. |
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Post by ramireja on Oct 25, 2017 12:08:35 GMT -5
The dodgers payroll and roster construction is truly fascinating. These are guys who didn't make the World Series roster and are currently being paid by LA to some degree:
Adrian Gonzalez: $22.36M (all values represent 2017 $)
Curtis Granderson: $15.0M
Matt Kemp: $3.5M
Carl Crawford: $21.86M
Scott Kazmir: $17.67M
Hyun-Jin Ryu: $7.83M
Franklin Gutierrez: $2.6M
Erisbel Arruebarrena: $5.5
Alex Guerrero: $7.5M
Hector Oliveira: $4.67M
Yaisel Sierra: $3.5M
also, Andre Ethier and his $17.5M salary are unlikely to see much time in the field despite making the WS roster.
We are relentless in bringing up the contracts of Pablo, Hanley, Rusney, and even Porcello, but the Dodgers dead weight is simply staggering. How could that not cripple a team? Well, you have to give credit the front office for their sneaky trades that identified players like Chris Taylor (traded for Zach Lee) and Yasmani Grandal (part of the Kemp salary dump), or that included secondary pieces like Austin Barnes and Enrique Hernandez (both part of the Haren & Dee Gordon trade). They did resign Justin Turner to decent money (although he's still undervalued), but he established himself in LA after spending a couple of replacement level years in NY. Many of us know the story of Kenley Jansen's conversion from catcher to one of the most dominant relievers in baseball. They've also hit big on both Corey Seager (18th pick of 1st round) and Cody Bellinger (4th round pick) in the draft.
Basically, the Dodgers have been active in all facets of roster construction including high-priced FAs and lots of international spending. At the same time, they've been very active in building the periphery of their lineup and paying attention to minor league player development, and now several of these guys on the periphery have starring roles on a WS team.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 25, 2017 12:32:21 GMT -5
Saw a great graphic yesterday that I can no longer find pointing out that the on-field payrolls of the Dodgers and Astros are very close - it's the injured and inactive players that the Dodgers are paying that accounts for all of the payroll disparity.
To be fair though, the Dodgers have also sought out bad contracts knowing they could handle them (which was the whole point of the Punto trade - we'll eat the Crawford and Beckett deals if you give us Gonzalez), so those aren't all or even mostly "poor decisions" or anything. This isn't the point ramireja is making, but just in case anyone reads it that way, that's not the case.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2017 13:03:06 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 25, 2017 13:31:01 GMT -5
Saw a great graphic yesterday that I can no longer find pointing out that the on-field payrolls of the Dodgers and Astros are very close - it's the injured and inactive players that the Dodgers are paying that accounts for all of the payroll disparity. To be fair though, the Dodgers have also sought out bad contracts knowing they could handle them (which was the whole point of the Punto trade - we'll eat the Crawford and Beckett deals if you give us Gonzalez), so those aren't all or even mostly "poor decisions" or anything. This isn't the point ramireja is making, but just in case anyone reads it that way, that's not the case. It's interesting to revisit the Punto deal from the Dodgers perspective. Gonzalez had four pretty good full years for them (totalled 13.3 bWAR in nearly 3K plate appearances), but nowhere near so good that it was worth taking on the Crawford and Beckett deals AND trading two decent arms. For that deal to work out, they probably needed either Gonzalez to be an MVP-level type (he wasn't) or at least one of the other two to really bounce back (Crawford had a solid year in 2014, but not enough). |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 25, 2017 14:26:30 GMT -5
This was vintage Kershaw tonight. The Dodgers are a wagon. I don't see them losing this. 1 game where the home team wins is way too early to declare a winner. Both of these teams are really good. I'll wait until they take a game in Houston before getting too excited. Well, considering 75 to 80 percent of playoff teams go on to win the series most of the time, and the fact that only one team this entire playoffs has won without winning game 1 too, I think it's a safe bet to make. Houston has Verlander but the Astros have Darvish and Hill, and better bullpen. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 25, 2017 19:10:05 GMT -5
Saw a great graphic yesterday that I can no longer find pointing out that the on-field payrolls of the Dodgers and Astros are very close - it's the injured and inactive players that the Dodgers are paying that accounts for all of the payroll disparity. To be fair though, the Dodgers have also sought out bad contracts knowing they could handle them (which was the whole point of the Punto trade - we'll eat the Crawford and Beckett deals if you give us Gonzalez), so those aren't all or even mostly "poor decisions" or anything. This isn't the point ramireja is making, but just in case anyone reads it that way, that's not the case. It's interesting to revisit the Punto deal from the Dodgers perspective. Gonzalez had four pretty good full years for them (totalled 13.3 bWAR in nearly 3K plate appearances), but nowhere near so good that it was worth taking on the Crawford and Beckett deals AND trading two decent arms. For that deal to work out, they probably needed either Gonzalez to be an MVP-level type (he wasn't) or at least one of the other two to really bounce back (Crawford had a solid year in 2014, but not enough). Not insignificant would be the potential bump in local interest from adding a local star with Mexican heritage. That has to be considered and was definitely part of the calculus at the time. |
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